Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amWell I do vote for people so I'd like to disagree.
Yea putin, rhe guy who gets 140% of the popular vote
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Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
https://forum.nationstates.net/
So... America is an oligarchy now
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amNot just America.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amKetora wrote:So... America is an oligarchy now
...heh... what do you guys think about our new system of government...
Oligarchy is a form of government which means (at least by modern day definition)
The economic elite have far much more political power than the majority, who has little to no power.
When we vote it only chooses which oligarch will take a certain place, the majority of the time the oligarchs only care what the economic elite think and not of the majority.
I'am justing asking if we Americans are going to be okay.
New forum law: Short courses on how to be a proper and competent OP are required before users are allowed to create threads.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:26 amIt'd be nice if you could provide any evidence to substantiate your position. I do think there is significant corruption, but it'd really be nice if you could actually elaborate to any extent on your position.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:27 amSecond Blazing wrote:Katganistan wrote:
You actually have to, you know, provide proof of your statement.
It's a DEBATE forum. You have to provide the framework of the debate.
Things worked pretty well before people were forced to tpye the equivalent of an 8th grade current events assignment to start a thread.
...gee, I actually did not know about this essay thing
I like you
We should be focusing on a debate, not an essay
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:27 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:28 amThe US isn't actually a democracy, technically it's a federal presidential constitutional republic. If it were a democracy everyone would vote on the laws directly instead of voting for representatives who make the laws for them.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:28 amThe Intergalactic Russian Empire wrote:Ketora wrote:
O well... I guess america is not a democracy then
The US isn't actually a democracy, technically it's a federal presidential constitutional republic. If it were a democracy everyone would vote on the laws directly instead of voting for representatives who make the laws for them.
True, and that's good, because voters today are uneducated and uninformed.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:30 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:31 amFinland SSR wrote:"Many dictatorships are oligarchies.
Many democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore, many dictatorships are democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:31 amThe United States of North Amerigo wrote:Well I do vote for people so I'd like to disagree.
Well,
The parties choose the candidates,
and the candidates are almost always economic elite...
There are allot of countries who have elections that are not so fair...
The economy has much more influence than your vote.
But with candidates like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton... It look s like election won't even matter soon... but if I had to choose a candidate... Ben Cline seems pretty nice.
But most of the Oligarchy is among the legislature and big companies
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:32 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:32 amKetora wrote:The United States of North Amerigo wrote:Well I do vote for people so I'd like to disagree.
Well,
The parties choose the candidates,
and the candidates are almost always economic elite...
There are allot of countries who have elections that are not so fair...
The economy has much more influence than your vote.
But with candidates like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton... It look s like election won't even matter soon... but if I had to choose a candidate... Ben Cline seems pretty nice.
But most of the Oligarchy is among the legislature and big companies
Lobbyists from big business and big labor provide almost all of the funding for campaigns.
Btw, Trump funds himself, he doesn't get donations bigger than $2,500
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:33 amGreatestBanks wrote:The Intergalactic Russian Empire wrote:The US isn't actually a democracy, technically it's a federal presidential constitutional republic. If it were a democracy everyone would vote on the laws directly instead of voting for representatives who make the laws for them.
True, and that's good, because voters today are uneducated and uninformed.
A republic is a representative democracy. What your thinking of is a direct democracy.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:33 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:33 amYup. Welcome to America.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:34 amIt is true that the rich have much more political sway than the common masses. The top 1% control 50% of the economy. Taxes are payed by how many loopholes you can find. This is why I want Bernie to be president because he promises to change the, quite frankly, rigged political system.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:34 amDirect democracy today could never work.
And that's true, but it seems that the words ''Democracy'' and ''republic'' or ''Dictatorship'' and ''oligarchy'' have seemingly lost their meanings.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:34 am
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:35 amIt was much worse in the late 1800s.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:35 amKetora wrote:The United States of North Amerigo wrote:Well I do vote for people so I'd like to disagree.
Well,
The parties choose the candidates,
and the candidates are almost always economic elite...
There are allot of countries who have elections that are not so fair...
The economy has much more influence than your vote.
But with candidates like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton... It look s like election won't even matter soon... but if I had to choose a candidate... Ben Cline seems pretty nice.
But most of the Oligarchy is among the legislature and big companies
Its everywhere. The big company and the banks control the houses. Hillary, Romney, Trump, they are all controlled by them. How? Because the companies give them millions for their campaigns and in return the candidates champion what the companies want.
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:36 amPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:37 amHavenburgh wrote:Ketora wrote:
Well,
The parties choose the candidates,
and the candidates are almost always economic elite...
There are allot of countries who have elections that are not so fair...
The economy has much more influence than your vote.
But with candidates like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton... It look s like election won't even matter soon... but if I had to choose a candidate... Ben Cline seems pretty nice.
But most of the Oligarchy is among the legislature and big companies
Its everywhere. The big company and the banks control the houses. Hillary, Romney, Trump, they are all controlled by them. How? Because the companies give them millions for their campaigns and in return the candidates champion what the companies want.
You're wrong with Trump. Trump gets almost all of his money from him self-funding his campaign
Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:37 amGreatestBanks wrote:Havenburgh wrote:A republic is a representative democracy. What your thinking of is a direct democracy.
Direct democracy today could never work.
And that's true, but it seems that the words ''Democracy'' and ''republic'' or ''Dictatorship'' and ''oligarchy'' have seemingly lost their meanings.
Direct democracy can work in small groups. In countries in modern size, no the population is way to large. Thats also why a libertarian system would never work either. And words like socialism and communism have lost their meaning. Tell me, whats the first thing you think of when I say communism?