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by The Isolationist State Of Islam » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:08 pm
by Parhe » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:12 pm
Daburuetchi wrote:Oneracon wrote:The United States is more of an elite democracy rather than a pure oligarchy: the people have what are still free votes, but in practice they are only given a choice between members of an elite class.
It should be evident just by looking at the cost of campaigning for a presidential nomination that the title of POTUS is really only open to the wealthy elite. Same goes for most other positions.
It's almost as if the proletariat and not the parasite class should command the state
by Daburuetchi » Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:22 pm
by Krasny-Volny » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:47 am
by Russo-Byzantine Empire » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:58 am
by The Lone Alliance » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:03 am
Ketora wrote:SNIP
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:19 am
Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:Daburuetchi wrote:
No shit but the logical conclusion to acknowledging we are rulled by a small economic clique is soaking the rich
It's not soaking the rich from the bottom though, it's soaking them from the top. The whole reason oligarchies exist is because elections gave the rich the chance to buy our leaders. What we need is a monarchy, who can't be bought by the wealthy elite because the monarch doesn't owe their power to them.
by Russo-Byzantine Empire » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:26 am
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:It's not soaking the rich from the bottom though, it's soaking them from the top. The whole reason oligarchies exist is because elections gave the rich the chance to buy our leaders. What we need is a monarchy, who can't be bought by the wealthy elite because the monarch doesn't owe their power to them.
*Snorts*
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:33 am
by Kraylandia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:34 am
by Scandinavian Nations » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:05 am
by Scandinavian Nations » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:08 am
by Pulau Singapura » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:16 am
Finland SSR wrote:"ManyOnly a few dictatorships are oligarchies.ManyMajority of democracies are oligarchies.
Therefore,many dictatorships are democraciesdictatorships are better than democracies."
-said no one ever. I made these words up.
by Russo-Byzantine Empire » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:19 am
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:38 am
Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I love it when Monarchists pretend their political system of choice is somehow immune or worse, distinguishable from other forms of government.
Oh, it's not immune. You don't hear anything about the Nordics, Benelux, or the UK being oligarchies, though, do you?
by The Eastern Hegemony » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:41 am
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:45 am
The Eastern Hegemony wrote:1. OP needs some factual backing
2. A link or two wouldn't hurt, if you have anything pointing towards a government shift for the worse
3. Oligarchy, democracy... same thing. Both end with a 'y', and both may involve voting (hey, a council of warlords that votes on how to oppress the people next still counts as a voting base)
by Krasny-Volny » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:43 am
by Purpelia » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:47 am
by Russo-Byzantine Empire » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:03 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:Oh, it's not immune. You don't hear anything about the Nordics, Benelux, or the UK being oligarchies, though, do you?
I don't live their, so I wouldn't know. Though I don't see how UK counts seeing as the queen isn't in charge. Unless yo7 forgot the UK is a parliamentary democracy?
by HMS Vanguard » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:21 pm
by Russo-Byzantine Empire » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:40 pm
HMS Vanguard wrote:Ability to organise and lead people is a technical skill and, like all technical skills, is unevenly distributed and only partially learnable. All countries are oligarchies run by that part of their population that has considerable organisational skill. Just as most people who learn mathematics in school make no contribution to the further development of mathematics, most people who learn how to vote in school have only illusory influence over the management of their government.
This is not to be lamented. A mathematics developed by the average high school graduate would not have taken us to the moon.
by Scandinavian Nations » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:45 pm
Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:But oligarchies are by definition not meritocracies, they are the rich of society exploiting it for their own profits, not for the benefit of society.
by Lady Scylla » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:30 pm
by Lady Scylla » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:33 pm
Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:HMS Vanguard wrote:Ability to organise and lead people is a technical skill and, like all technical skills, is unevenly distributed and only partially learnable. All countries are oligarchies run by that part of their population that has considerable organisational skill. Just as most people who learn mathematics in school make no contribution to the further development of mathematics, most people who learn how to vote in school have only illusory influence over the management of their government.
This is not to be lamented. A mathematics developed by the average high school graduate would not have taken us to the moon.
But oligarchies are by definition not meritocracies, they are the rich of society exploiting it for their own profits, not for the benefit of society.
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