Reports: Turkish F-16s shoot down Russian Su-24

[Dakini]

ftfy

I ALREADY got a freaking source you want! http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/11/24/downing-of-russian-jet-over-turkey-inevitable.html

I wasn't talking to you. I was correcting another poster on my gender.


And Al Jazeera doesn't back up your earlier claim.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Okay, now let's look at what your source says as far as Turkey threatening anyone.



So Turkey said it would defend its airspace from Russia.

...and that's the only thing that Turkey threatened Russia over in this article.

So no threats of "if you don't stop bombing ISIS, we'll shoot down your planes".

So your source does not back up your claim, basically.

Also, their location will hinder further jets coming toward Syria. Cause Turkey blocks a direct route to Syria from Russia.

How dare Turkey lay in the way of Glorious Russian Airforce!

[Alvecia]

The navigator of the Su-24: Turkey does not warn the crew about the alleged violation of the border

"In fact, there was no any warnings. None by radio traffic or visual contact. There was no contact ever."

https://russian.rt.com/article/132659

RT is not considered a valid source.
Even more so when it's in a language I'm sure many here do not speak.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And Russia is doing more against ISIS than the coalition.

Source.

Note that Assad saying that things are going better is not the same, since we all accept that Russia is bombing Western-backed rebels, who are fighting Assad. That doesn't mean that Russia is doing shit against Daesh.

You say that like it's a bad thing

To be entirely fair though, nobody outside of Syria is doing anything meaningful against Daesh.

[Outer Sparta]

Also, their location will hinder further jets coming toward Syria. Cause Turkey blocks a direct route to Syria from Russia.

How dare Turkey lay in the way of Glorious Russian Airforce!

And also lay in the way against ISIS, too.

[Dakini]

Okay, now let's look at what your source says as far as Turkey threatening anyone.



So Turkey said it would defend its airspace from Russia.

...and that's the only thing that Turkey threatened Russia over in this article.

So no threats of "if you don't stop bombing ISIS, we'll shoot down your planes".

So your source does not back up your claim, basically.

Also, their location will hinder further jets coming toward Syria. Cause Turkey blocks a direct route to Syria from Russia.

lol, whut?

Russia's jets aren't flying several hours from Russia to bomb things in Syria. They have a base in Syria.

And this doesn't address the fact that your initial claim:

The jet was nowhere near an area of Syria controlled by Daesh.

Still, Turkey warned Moscow to stop bombing ISIS or they face consequences a day before the jet was shot down.

Has absolutely zero credible support so far.

[Outer Sparta]

Also, their location will hinder further jets coming toward Syria. Cause Turkey blocks a direct route to Syria from Russia.

lol, whut?

Russia's jets aren't flying several hours from Russia to bomb things in Syria. They have a base in Syria.

And this doesn't address the fact that your initial claim:

Still, Turkey warned Moscow to stop bombing ISIS or they face consequences a day before the jet was shot down.

Has absolutely zero credible support so far.

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

[Alvecia]

lol, whut?

Russia's jets aren't flying several hours from Russia to bomb things in Syria. They have a base in Syria.

And this doesn't address the fact that your initial claim:



Has absolutely zero credible support so far.

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

Are you saying that your claims shouldn't need to be backed up by evidence?

[Dakini]

lol, whut?

Russia's jets aren't flying several hours from Russia to bomb things in Syria. They have a base in Syria.

And this doesn't address the fact that your initial claim:



Has absolutely zero credible support so far.

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

Can you please stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as facts?

[Pulau Singapura]

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

Can you please stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as facts?

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

[Dakini]

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

Are you saying that your claims shouldn't need to be backed up by evidence?

Yes. Also that he should be able to shift goalposts at will without being called out.

[Prussoslavia]

The navigator of the Su-24: Turkey does not warn the crew about the alleged violation of the border

"In fact, there was no any warnings. None by radio traffic or visual contact. There was no contact ever."

https://russian.rt.com/article/132659

RT is not considered a valid source.
Even more so when it's in a language I'm sure many here do not speak.

Well, you may wait, when "valid" CNN or BBC will say same.
In any case, this is the first official testimony from survived pilot.

[Alvecia]

Can you please stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as facts?

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

That you say this shows how little you understand about bias and good reporting.
They are most definitely not all the same.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Can you please stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as facts?

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

No. Are you seriously saying Infowars is just like every normal newssite?

[Pulau Singapura]

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

That you say this shows how little you understand about bias and good reporting.
They are most definitely not all the same.

The bias is only when the reporter exaggerates a bit, which can admittedly be a problem in some cases

[Alvecia]

RT is not considered a valid source.
Even more so when it's in a language I'm sure many here do not speak.

Well, you may wait, when "valid" CNN or BBC will say same.
In any case, this is the first official testimony from survived pilot.

CNN, I don't know. BBC I trust, but I wouldn't use it as my only source.
This is not the first official testimony because we don't know if it is true or not.
Also, if you're going to post a source, post it in a language that other can read so that we can verify your source and don't have to take the word of a random stranger on the internet that it says what you say it says.

[Dakini]

Can you please stop making shit up and trying to pass it off as facts?

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

No, they're very distinctly not the same. Some of them are "news" sites which derive most of their information via rectal pluck and others actually try to determine the facts.

I didn't have an issue with Al Jazeera, they're pretty reasonable. The thing is that Al Jazeera doesn't back up what Outer Sparta claimed.

[Alvecia]

That you say this shows how little you understand about bias and good reporting.
They are most definitely not all the same.

The bias is only when the reporter exaggerates a bit, which can admittedly be a problem in some cases

Not the case at all. RT is a russian state funded new organisation which, from their wiki page:

[RT] has been called a propaganda outlet for the Russian government[10][11][12] and its foreign policy[10][11][13][14] by former Russian officials[15] and by news reporters,[16] including former RT reporters.[17][18][19] It has also been accused of spreading disinformation.[20][21][22] The United Kingdom media regulator Ofcom has threatened RT with sanctions because of repeated violations of its rules on impartiality.[23] The network states that it offers a "Russian perspective" on global events.[24]

Making it unreliable.

[Outer Sparta]

Can we please stop with the source wars here?

Are you saying that your claims shouldn't need to be backed up by evidence?

No, but I'm saying that Dakini says my sources have no credibility whatsoever. Not even my Al Jazeera one.

[Pulau Singapura]

Can you please stop being so choosy with news sites? They're all the same

No, they're very distinctly not the same. Some of them are "news" sites which derive most of their information via rectal pluck and others actually try to determine the facts.

I didn't have an issue with Al Jazeera, they're pretty reasonable. The thing is that Al Jazeera doesn't back up what Outer Sparta claimed.

What do you mean by "rectal pluck"? -_- Speak properly please

[Fartsniffage]

No, they're very distinctly not the same. Some of them are "news" sites which derive most of their information via rectal pluck and others actually try to determine the facts.

I didn't have an issue with Al Jazeera, they're pretty reasonable. The thing is that Al Jazeera doesn't back up what Outer Sparta claimed.

What do you mean by "rectal pluck"? -_- Speak properly please

Pulled out of their arse.

[Dakini]

Well, you may wait, when "valid" CNN or BBC will say same.
In any case, this is the first official testimony from survived pilot.

CNN, I don't know. BBC I trust, but I wouldn't use it as my only source.
This is not the first official testimony because we don't know if it is true or not.
Also, if you're going to post a source, post it in a language that other can read so that we can verify your source and don't have to take the word of a random stranger on the internet that it says what you say it says.

Also, considering that the US was also listening and heard Turkey warn the jet...

Maybe, as someone suggested, they were listening to the wrong frequency and didn't hear the warnings, but that doesn't mean that warnings weren't issued.

[Alvecia]

Are you saying that your claims shouldn't need to be backed up by evidence?

No, but I'm saying that Dakini says my sources have no credibility whatsoever. Not even my Al Jazeera one.

Have you checked to see if they do? Sure the title of the piece says what you say, but what does the actual information say. Dakini has read through it and found that it does not. So either you disagree that it does not back up your claims, or you agree and must find one that does.
Where do you stand?

[Dakini]

Are you saying that your claims shouldn't need to be backed up by evidence?

No, but I'm saying that Dakini says my sources have no credibility whatsoever. Not even my Al Jazeera one.

Can you read? I said that Al Jazeera was fine, but it does not say what you claim it does.

[Outer Sparta]

No, but I'm saying that Dakini says my sources have no credibility whatsoever. Not even my Al Jazeera one.

Have you checked to see if they do? Sure the title of the piece says what you say, but what does the actual information say. Dakini has read through it and found that it does not. So either you disagree that it does not back up your claims, or you agree and must find one that does.
Where do you stand?

I disagree with Dakini. There we go.