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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:33 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
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The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.


Except bombs do not require a power chord and there's something painfully obvious absent from it all. Wanna take a guess at what that is? Explosive materials. So no, calling this a bomb or that it looks like one is idiotic.
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Postby Satterthwaite » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:33 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

The thing is, the cops should have realised that it wasn't a bomb.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:34 am

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:He brought a clock, not a bomb, a clock, to school to show his science teacher. He was treated like a terrorist. A kid! Just because he happens to be Muslim. I say that yes, his rights were violated and profiling is shit.


But did you fucking see what the clock looked like?


Yes, I did. It looks like a pencil case converted into a clock. A science project.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:34 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.


Stupid people. Are you going to say that students should pay the price for the utter stupidity of their principals and teachers without consequence to the supposed authority figures?

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:35 am

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Republic of Coldwater wrote:It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.


Maybe those people should get educated on the subject in that case, because again wires do not explosives make.

Of course wires don't explode, but you cannot expect people to so simply understand what will explode and what doesn't. Unless Ahmed truly lacked any ounce of common sense, which I find highly unlikely, given the amount they are suing for, and the coordination with the media, some planning was definitely involved.

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Postby Dakini » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:36 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it could explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:37 am

Dakini wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.


Oh, crap. Now I'm worried that the laptop I'm using is going to blow up in my face....

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:37 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.


Stupid people. Are you going to say that students should pay the price for the utter stupidity of their principals and teachers without consequence to the supposed authority figures?

Are you going to assume that everyone could tell the difference between the internals of a clock and a pencil case bomb?

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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:39 am

Dakini wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.

Of course, there is no evident explosive in the images provided, but once again, you cannot so simply expect everyone to understand things like that.

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Postby Dakini » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:39 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Dakini wrote:You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.


Oh, crap. Now I'm worried that the laptop I'm using is going to blow up in my face....

Shit, you better check your cellphone too.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:40 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Stupid people. Are you going to say that students should pay the price for the utter stupidity of their principals and teachers without consequence to the supposed authority figures?

Are you going to assume that everyone could tell the difference between the internals of a clock and a pencil case bomb?


It wasn't a bomb. It didn't look like a bomb. No matter how much you want to say or believe it was, it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a bomb.

Good on the school and the police department, right? America scores another derp on the war on terror. Lets arrest non-white kids for bringing their science projects to school! Profiling wins the day!
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Postby Dakini » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:42 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Dakini wrote:You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.

Of course, there is no evident explosive in the images provided, but once again, you cannot so simply expect everyone to understand things like that.

It's definitely obvious from all the images provided. There are wires, there's a clock face, there's a circuit board and there's a power cord. You have to be totally unaware of what simple electronic components look like or bent on giving the kid a hard time to think that this even remotely resembles a bomb.

And if someone is that stupid or that malicious toward students, they should not be working in a school.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:44 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Stupid people. Are you going to say that students should pay the price for the utter stupidity of their principals and teachers without consequence to the supposed authority figures?

Are you going to assume that everyone could tell the difference between the internals of a clock and a pencil case bomb?

People who aren't stupid when confronted with a pencil case with a digital display, wires, and a few circuit boards, combined with a kid who keeps saying "It's a clock", and has shown it to no one but one engineering teacher who knew it to be a clock?

Yes, I'd be comfortable in coming to that conclusion.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:48 am

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Ifreann wrote:I don't see a problem here.


Then you need glasses.

Jokes on you, I got laser eye surgery years ago.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:49 am

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Then you need glasses.

Jokes on you, I got laser eye surgery years ago.


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Postby Braberland » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:49 am

Just kick him and his family out to Qatar and don't ever bother with them.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:56 am

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Jesus, do I really have to stress what is bad with having a meet and greet with Omar Al Bashir and trying to be any kind of justice advocate?


Since they're Sudanese, and the father is a member of the opposition who has a chance to meet under peaceful circumstances with a man he opposes, yes.


Speaking of bankruptcy.

Omar Al Bashir easily makes the top 3 list of the current most vile despots on the planet. A man who's got hundreds of thousands of life at his conscience and the displacement of millions. If you're trying to be an agent for any kind of justice, this is not the devil you should be rubbing shoulders with. Yes, the meeting was peaceful, but it only served the purpose of making him seem as if he cared in reply for the PR which he so craves especially now given how he's undermining South Sudan. It served to legitimize real evil at the expense of perceived racism.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:28 am

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For the first and second.

9/11 'truther' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTkE0Etkszc

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34551890

Aside from that, campaigned in Sudan which is a dictatorship for the presidency, which despite such and the rhetoric involved had little issues sending his son to one of the most evil despots alive. Run-ins with Terry Jones, Robert Spencer, ect, guy is a genuine PR addict. He literally pulled all his kids out of school during the clock day and the circus that convened leaves him about as credible as the cookie monster besides an empty cookie jar.

Might not like the site, but it contains a video of the kid saying it.

http://pamelageller.com/2015/09/clock-c ... reat.html/


The first one was from a political campaign page, not the father's personal page, and there's no comment from the father directly as to whether or not it's something he'd agree with, though if not, then he certainly needs to answer for it going up on his Facebook page. The run-ins with anti-Islamic people are typical for someone defending his faith against bigots and liars. He pulled out of a school system that he saw as unjustly persecuting his son, and I might have done the same were I in his place. The "circus" could have been avoided if the school board had simply apologized for their overreaction, struck the suspension from his record, and allowed Ahmed back into school.

The fact that you're using a quote from a Pamela Geller site that provides no context for what he's saying and seems to cut off before Ahmed even finishes his sentence shows how bankrupt your argument is.


His account. It sourced to the Sudanese Military Establishment and asserts a truther philosophy that 9/11 was an inside job as its context and it was not the first time. And no, not all critics of Islam are bigots and liars including some of those he has had run-ins with, though he certainly did not miss an opportunity for publicity even if it required standing next to a vile despot by every stretch of the imagination.

The context of the interview adds nothing really to justify the rationale beyond what was presented as I did not find the original link until now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE Adding cable to make it look less like a threat is crazy talk. Nearly as crazy as asking for 15 millions over this case, and to the original point, will never by any sane court come out with anything similar to that. Not after witness statements as nothing indicates malice and if there is any truth to the fact that he was prior warned by multiple teachers not to show the bomb around then it is dead in the water. No jury or judge would move with his attempt to shoot the moon twice.
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Postby Dakini » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:29 am

Braberland wrote:Just kick him and his family out to Qatar and don't ever bother with them.

They're not even from Qatar.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:54 am

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Everyone is overreacting, it doesn't look like a bomb and he doesn't deserve any money. Especially not millions.

Its called clockophobia

Horophobia.


Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Dakini wrote:You're aware that wires, timers and circuits do not explode on their own, right?

There's nothing in that that even looks like it explode. Like, if he was storing some plasticine in there, you might have a point, but you don't.

Also, nobody at the school or among the police even treated it like it was a bomb.


Oh, crap. Now I'm worried that the laptop I'm using is going to blow up in my face....

Laptop batteries have exploded before.


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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:15 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Are you going to assume that everyone could tell the difference between the internals of a clock and a pencil case bomb?


It wasn't a bomb. It didn't look like a bomb. No matter how much you want to say or believe it was, it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a bomb.

Good on the school and the police department, right? America scores another derp on the war on terror. Lets arrest non-white kids for bringing their science projects to school! Profiling wins the day!

Very few people have actually seen a bomb, and the media does do a good job at portraying bombs in methods similar to that of Ahmed's pencil case. There is little purpose in taking the internals out of a clock and putting it in a pencil case anyway, and I highly doubt someone would do it for a "science" project. It isn't a science project, nor is it a creation, but a mere repackaging in a pencil case that shares a similar physique to a briefcase. With no purpose in the name of science, the only remaining purpose would be to get some publicity and money by scaring a teacher and getting arrested by the police. When he and his family sue for $15 million, it only confirms any suspicions that this was to make some bank after all.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:20 am

Herskerstad wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:The first one was from a political campaign page, not the father's personal page, and there's no comment from the father directly as to whether or not it's something he'd agree with, though if not, then he certainly needs to answer for it going up on his Facebook page. The run-ins with anti-Islamic people are typical for someone defending his faith against bigots and liars. He pulled out of a school system that he saw as unjustly persecuting his son, and I might have done the same were I in his place. The "circus" could have been avoided if the school board had simply apologized for their overreaction, struck the suspension from his record, and allowed Ahmed back into school.

The fact that you're using a quote from a Pamela Geller site that provides no context for what he's saying and seems to cut off before Ahmed even finishes his sentence shows how bankrupt your argument is.


His account. It sourced to the Sudanese Military Establishment and asserts a truther philosophy that 9/11 was an inside job as its context and it was not the first time. And no, not all critics of Islam are bigots and liars including some of those he has had run-ins with, though he certainly did not miss an opportunity for publicity even if it required standing next to a vile despot by every stretch of the imagination.

The context of the interview adds nothing really to justify the rationale beyond what was presented as I did not find the original link until now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE Adding cable to make it look less like a threat is crazy talk. Nearly as crazy as asking for 15 millions over this case, and to the original point, will never by any sane court come out with anything similar to that. Not after witness statements as nothing indicates malice and if there is any truth to the fact that he was prior warned by multiple teachers not to show the bomb around then it is dead in the water. No jury or judge would move with his attempt to shoot the moon twice.

Slightly off-topic, I hate that you call them 9/11 truthers. 9/11 conspiracists would be a better term. Truthers wrongfully indicates their arguments have merit.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:21 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It wasn't a bomb. It didn't look like a bomb. No matter how much you want to say or believe it was, it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a bomb.

Good on the school and the police department, right? America scores another derp on the war on terror. Lets arrest non-white kids for bringing their science projects to school! Profiling wins the day!

Very few people have actually seen a bomb, and the media does do a good job at portraying bombs in methods similar to that of Ahmed's pencil case. There is little purpose in taking the internals out of a clock and putting it in a pencil case anyway, and I highly doubt someone would do it for a "science" project. It isn't a science project, nor is it a creation, but a mere repackaging in a pencil case that shares a similar physique to a briefcase. With no purpose in the name of science, the only remaining purpose would be to get some publicity and money by scaring a teacher and getting arrested by the police. When he and his family sue for $15 million, it only confirms any suspicions that this was to make some bank after all.

Your second statement does not follow logically from your first statement.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:22 am

"Bomb-like device"
Dude, it was a clock.

"It has wires, therefore it must be a bomb!"
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