Clock kid sues for $15 million

[Yumyumsuppertime]

People who use suitcases to carry their stuff.

In school do little kids use suitcases?

No, but that's not what you asked. You asked who the fuck uses something that looks like a suitcase to carry their stuff.

This, however, was a pencil case.

[Gravlen]

That's part of the problem: How it looks from that particular angle, cropped and without showing any of the dimensions. It's almost like they picked that picture to justify any violations they might have committed.

And if you agree that the police used excesive force (something Mohamed notably isn't claiming, by the way), why is it a problem that the initial demand is so high? It is, after all, just an "opening bid".

I agree that the police overreacted, but it looked a lot like a damn bomb.

Not really. The first clue should have been the size, but the second clue should be the lack of explosives. If you think visible electonics = bomb then you've got a serious problem.

And as pointed out earlier in the thread, if it really did look like a bomb, why did they not treat it like a bomb?

The schoolteacher received no training on bomb identification, he was acting out in good faith and that is going to be the presumption. There is no reason to ascribe a higher standard of care to how he behaved given that a person in his position had a duty to warn the police if he suspected there was a bomb while at the same time didn't receive any training on bomb identification

Except that he did not act in a manner that a reasonable person in a position of authority who had just discovered a bomb would act, nor is there any indication that he communicated a belief that it was a bomb to anyone else. In fact, his actions subsequent to seeing the device indicated that he did not think of himself or the school as being in any danger.

There was no call for an orderly school evacuation.

He carried the clock to the principal's office on his own without any indication that he feared for his own safety or the safety of others while transporting the device.

He did not request a bomb disposal unit when contacting the police.

The principal did not request a bomb disposal unit when contacting the police.

The clock was placed on the principal's desk, and people stayed within feet of it in the office.

The police, when they arrived, did not call for a bomb disposal unit.

At no point during this entire process did anyone act as if they thought that this was an actual explosive device of any sort. Instead, they acted as if they were in possession of a clock.

And his case is almost certainly not worth $15 million.

It's not going to end up at $15 million either. But the case has to start somewhere, and why not there? The arguments they make are reasonable on the face of it, and include costs of moving, cost of lost business, cost for his sister getting fired, and future loss of earnings due to being known as "Clock kid".

Plus, he was immediately released, he's gotten tons of money, tons of scholarships, and tons of popularity. And plus he didn't even ''make'' a clock. He took apart an alarm clock and rebuilt it in a different way.

None of which is relevant to the fact that the school and the city fucked up, and they owe him compensation and an apology. Basically, what you're saying is that justice shouldn't be done because you're jealous of what he's gotten by other people who were outraged at the stupidity of the school and the city. It simply does not work that way.

[Dakini]

People who use suitcases to carry their stuff.

In school do little kids use suitcases?

Unless you are 30 cm tall, that is not a suitcase.

[GreatestBanks]

He went around showing it to his teachers, did he not?
And my point is that he's suing for an outrageous amount of money, considering all the stuff he's already been given.

He voluntarily showed it to his engineering teacher, who did not think that it was a bomb.

The only reason that he showed it to his English teacher, who reported it to the principal, was that an alarm on it went off in class, he reached into his backpack to turn it off, and the teacher insisted upon seeing it.

Hardly "Went around showing it to his teachers" unless you're willing to stretch how most people would understand that phrase.

If an alarm went off randomly in class that the English teacher did not know about she has every right to report this.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How many times must we tell you that that is not an actual suitcase but a pencil case before it sinks in?

From the outside it looks like a damn suitcase.

Did you look at the photos provided?


It's not an actual suitcase but a pencil case that looks like a suitcase. Nothing but pencils and pens and scissors fit in that thing.

[GreatestBanks]

I agree that the police overreacted, but it looked a lot like a damn bomb.

Not really. The first clue should have been the size, but the second clue should be the lack of explosives. If you think visible electonics = bomb then you've got a serious problem.

And as pointed out earlier in the thread, if it really did look like a bomb, why did they not treat it like a bomb?

Except that he did not act in a manner that a reasonable person in a position of authority who had just discovered a bomb would act, nor is there any indication that he communicated a belief that it was a bomb to anyone else. In fact, his actions subsequent to seeing the device indicated that he did not think of himself or the school as being in any danger.

There was no call for an orderly school evacuation.

He carried the clock to the principal's office on his own without any indication that he feared for his own safety or the safety of others while transporting the device.

He did not request a bomb disposal unit when contacting the police.

The principal did not request a bomb disposal unit when contacting the police.

The clock was placed on the principal's desk, and people stayed within feet of it in the office.

The police, when they arrived, did not call for a bomb disposal unit.

At no point during this entire process did anyone act as if they thought that this was an actual explosive device of any sort. Instead, they acted as if they were in possession of a clock.

And his case is almost certainly not worth $15 million.

It's not going to end up at $15 million either. But the case has to start somewhere, and why not there? The arguments they make are reasonable on the face of it, and include costs of moving, cost of lost business, cost for his sister getting fired, and future loss of earnings due to being known as "Clock kid".

Plus, he was immediately released, he's gotten tons of money, tons of scholarships, and tons of popularity. And plus he didn't even ''make'' a clock. He took apart an alarm clock and rebuilt it in a different way.

None of which is relevant to the fact that the school and the city fucked up, and they owe him compensation and an apology. Basically, what you're saying is that justice shouldn't be done because you're jealous of what he's gotten by other people who were outraged at the stupidity of the school and the city. It simply does not work that way.

He's already gotten his compensation. He has gotten donations, scholarships, and lots of money. That is his compensation, and he's definitely gotten enough.

[GreatestBanks]

From the outside it looks like a damn suitcase.

Did you look at the photos provided?


It's not an actual suitcase but a pencil case that looks like a suitcase. Nothing but pencils and pens and scissors fit in that thing.

I can't see photos in relative size. All I can see is what it looks like, not the size.

[Satterthwaite]

Personally, I don't think it matters if it's a pencil case or a suitcase or a suitcase that's made to look like a pencil case or vice versa. The cop should have had the good sense to realise that it wasn't a bomb.

That, however, doesn't justify asking for $15 million. It's just making him look bad, imo.

[Dakini]

He voluntarily showed it to his engineering teacher, who did not think that it was a bomb.

The only reason that he showed it to his English teacher, who reported it to the principal, was that an alarm on it went off in class, he reached into his backpack to turn it off, and the teacher insisted upon seeing it.

Hardly "Went around showing it to his teachers" unless you're willing to stretch how most people would understand that phrase.

If an alarm went off randomly in class that the English teacher did not know about she has every right to report this.

Not really.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Did you look at the photos provided?


It's not an actual suitcase but a pencil case that looks like a suitcase. Nothing but pencils and pens and scissors fit in that thing.

I can't see photos in relative size. All I can see is what it looks like, not the size.

8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches. Those are measurements of a Vaultz pencil case.

[GreatestBanks]

Anyway, since I have to leave within 4 minutes, I'm heading off.
A last statement: My point is is that he does not deserve $15 million more, he's already gotten his tons of cash and rewards. Indeed, the school overreacted and the police overreacted for putting him in ''jail'' for a small number of hours after the incident was reported to the principle.

[Gravlen]

Most people don't know how to make a bomb and what it's components are, they would likely react based on visuals.
And he is suing for $15 million, the kid is the one overreacting.

Everyone is overreacting, it doesn't look like a bomb and he doesn't deserve any money. Especially not millions.

Sure he does. Perhaps not millions, but if what they allege is correct, the city deserves a serious slap on the wrist for violating his constitutional rights and continuing to defame his long after it was clear it was simply a clock.

[Dakini]

Did you look at the photos provided?


It's not an actual suitcase but a pencil case that looks like a suitcase. Nothing but pencils and pens and scissors fit in that thing.

I can't see photos in relative size. All I can see is what it looks like, not the size.

So what you're saying is that you skipped past all the photos of the clock with the kid's face right next to it or you've assumed that he's a giant?

[GreatestBanks]

I can't see photos in relative size. All I can see is what it looks like, not the size.

8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches. Those are measurements of a Vaultz pencil case.

Thank you for the measurements.

[GreatestBanks]

I can't see photos in relative size. All I can see is what it looks like, not the size.

So what you're saying is that you skipped past all the photos of the clock with the kid's face right next to it or you've assumed that he's a giant?

Lots of photos are edited for effect.

[Gravlen]

Not really. The first clue should have been the size, but the second clue should be the lack of explosives. If you think visible electonics = bomb then you've got a serious problem.

And as pointed out earlier in the thread, if it really did look like a bomb, why did they not treat it like a bomb?




It's not going to end up at $15 million either. But the case has to start somewhere, and why not there? The arguments they make are reasonable on the face of it, and include costs of moving, cost of lost business, cost for his sister getting fired, and future loss of earnings due to being known as "Clock kid".


None of which is relevant to the fact that the school and the city fucked up, and they owe him compensation and an apology. Basically, what you're saying is that justice shouldn't be done because you're jealous of what he's gotten by other people who were outraged at the stupidity of the school and the city. It simply does not work that way.

He's already gotten his compensation. He has gotten donations, scholarships, and lots of money. That is his compensation, and he's definitely gotten enough.

Nope. He's owed compensation from the people who did him wrong. All the other things he's recieved is immaterial.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

8.25 x 5.5 x 2.5 Inches. Those are measurements of a Vaultz pencil case.

Thank you for the measurements.

Here they are again, in relative size to a person: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RzBJLI6D42U/hqdefault.jpg

[Dakini]

Anyway, since I have to leave within 4 minutes, I'm heading off.
A last statement: My point is is that he does not deserve $15 million more, he's already gotten his tons of cash and rewards. Indeed, the school overreacted and the police overreacted for putting him in ''jail'' for a small number of hours after the incident was reported to the principle.

And his rights were still violated, his sister still got fired, his family lost some business and had to relocate...

No, I'd say that he has yet to be adequately compensated for the stupidity of his school. The sum he's suing for is maybe a bit much, but he definitely deserves something.

[Dakini]

So what you're saying is that you skipped past all the photos of the clock with the kid's face right next to it or you've assumed that he's a giant?

Lots of photos are edited for effect.

Wow. You're really grasping at straws.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not really. The first clue should have been the size, but the second clue should be the lack of explosives. If you think visible electonics = bomb then you've got a serious problem.

And as pointed out earlier in the thread, if it really did look like a bomb, why did they not treat it like a bomb?




It's not going to end up at $15 million either. But the case has to start somewhere, and why not there? The arguments they make are reasonable on the face of it, and include costs of moving, cost of lost business, cost for his sister getting fired, and future loss of earnings due to being known as "Clock kid".


None of which is relevant to the fact that the school and the city fucked up, and they owe him compensation and an apology. Basically, what you're saying is that justice shouldn't be done because you're jealous of what he's gotten by other people who were outraged at the stupidity of the school and the city. It simply does not work that way.

He's already gotten his compensation. He has gotten donations, scholarships, and lots of money. That is his compensation, and he's definitely gotten enough.

What compensation has he received from the people who actually owe him compensation, not the kindness of others? If someone is hit by a car, should the person responsible be absolved of responsibility for any damages if the community pitched in for the medical bills?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So what you're saying is that you skipped past all the photos of the clock with the kid's face right next to it or you've assumed that he's a giant?

Lots of photos are edited for effect.

So Vaultz is lying about the sizes of their pencil cases?

Note that not even the city or school have attempted to say that it was of a different size.

[Republic of Coldwater]

When you have an exposed motherboard/mainboard of sorts, with crudely organized wires and what resembles a time display, it may not look exactly like a briefcase bomb, but it definitely has enough similarities that most people will take it for a bomb. Sure, his race may have made it worse, but if a white kid showed such a creation, I doubt he won't scare people.

And he and his family escalated it by launching a huge media campaign that created a shitstorm on the internet. They got showered with a very well coordinated media campaign, and now they are suing for $15 million. Sorry, but the damages incurred do not surmount to $15 million in any measure.

The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

[Mateusz Kingdom]

He brought a clock, not a bomb, a clock, to school to show his science teacher. He was treated like a terrorist. A kid! Just because he happens to be Muslim. I say that yes, his rights were violated and profiling is shit.

But did you fucking see what the clock looked like?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Lots of photos are edited for effect.

So Vaultz is lying about the sizes of their pencil cases?

Note that not even the city or school have attempted to say that it was of a different size.

Grasping at straws. All in the name of ''proving'' a point that Muslim people are evil or some other bullshit. This despite the countless photos already posted that show what Amhed used to make his clock and how it didn't look like a suitcase bomb.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The thing was made out of a pencil case and some circuits. The kid added a timer to it to make the clock. It was not made to look like a bomb, and it does not look like a bomb.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zVIc64naL.jpg

It might not to you, but for many people, it does look like a bomb. The pencil case did have the physique of a briefcase, and once you have a motherboard, circuits, wires and a timer, yeah, you have something that to many resembles a bomb.

Maybe those people should get educated on the subject in that case, because again wires do not explosives make.