Clock kid sues for $15 million

[Yumyumsuppertime]

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Putain de merde.
I can't believe this is true America. I really can't. You have to be fucking kidding me. I know we always joke about how shitty is your lawsuit system even here in the other side of the Atlantic but not even you can be this stupid. Not even you can reach THAT level of political correcteness bullshit. Not even fucking you can get to the point where it seem like there is truly a S.J.W revolution taking place.

The moment that people use the term "SJW" is the moment where I realize that they have no coherent argument to make.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

If I was accused of being a terrorist, I'd be suing people too.

[Aelex]

Hilarious that you should take a sanctimonious stand on justice:

I see Assad as the lesser evil in this situation. So naturally I hope Hollande will wear the tricolors and reclaim Syria as colonialism would be an even lesser evil to the actual options the nation currently faces.

To be fair, the 26 years that lasted the "Mandat Français en Syrie" were the one during which Syria developed the most on a lot of level and was the more tolerant on a lot of others.
So, yes; in that case, it would indeed be a lesser evil to have a Républicain Overlord rather than a secular or religious dictator the same way it would be better to cut off one of your toe than to amputate your leg.

[Infected Mushroom]

the purpose of torts and civil liability should be compensation, if you want to use a massively high amount to deter people from doing things, then that ought to be proven to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard under criminal law (unless there is a directly compensatory objective)

otherwise at some point the civil liability regime becomes a shortcut for the government to impose financial penalties on people by conveniently relying on third-party suers that far exceed the financial penalties that are levelled in many actual felonies; and then these crimes can just be proved on a balance of probabilities as opposed to beyond a reasonable doubt

if the government believes there is wrong-doing that deserves for there to be a penalty in the millions of dollars (and most of that ISN'T actually linked to a strictly compensatory objective), then the proper platform for doing this both for the sake of the rights of the penalised party as well as for consistency of policy should be the criminal law and not civil law... since such fines far exceed the average amount levied in criminal charges

Yes, I noticed that you handwaved the punitive damages bit. Seriously, if the kid only gets a few thousand that's paid off through insurance, what's to keep the school district from doing this again? And what criminal law applies to what is an obvious wrong done to him?

criminal laws against police misconduct

you said it, the few thousand dollars serves the deterrence function, 15 million dollars can in no way serve as a reasonable basis with a primarily compensatory function (which is what civil liability law should be about, its not about profit-seeking or punishment, the overarching goal should be compensation)

victims shouldn't be winning the lottery jackpot here

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If I was accused of being a terrorist, I'd be suing people too.

Kinda sorta comes down to that. To be fair, though, the kid wasn't accused of being a terrorist. He was accused of being a fake terrorist with a hoax bomb, and we both know that there's nothing worse in high school than being accused of being a poseur.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, I noticed that you handwaved the punitive damages bit. Seriously, if the kid only gets a few thousand that's paid off through insurance, what's to keep the school district from doing this again? And what criminal law applies to what is an obvious wrong done to him?

criminal laws against police misconduct

you said it, the few thousand dollars serves the deterrence function, 15 million dollars can in no way serve as a reasonable basis with a primarily compensatory function (which is what civil liability law should be about, its not about profit-seeking or punishment, the overarching goal should be compensation)

victims shouldn't be winning the lottery jackpot here

Except it's not the police who are the main target. It's the school. Try again. What would keep the school from doing this again?

[Dejanic]

Lol, no sane court is going to award this kid 15 million for getting wrongly detained. I'm starting to lose sympathy very quickly for him.

Sounds like the family chose an arbitrarily massive number at an attempt to make bucks. Fucking Capitalism.

[The Archregimancy]

This is wonderful news, and proof - if any were needed - that even Muslim immigrants can fully integrate into American society, sharing fully in longstanding local cultural traditions such as issuing lawsuits for unnecessarily vast sums of money.

It brings a tear to my eye.

[Crusader occupied mecca]

You mean the wrong that there was an islamic inside the school?

*blink*

It was wrong for a Muslim child who had never caused harm to anyone at all to receive an education alongside his peers? I just want to be crystal clear as to what you're saying before I give a full response to your post.

We should extend the Trump wall around all our borders and make the muslim countries pay for it.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

*blink*

It was wrong for a Muslim child who had never caused harm to anyone at all to receive an education alongside his peers? I just want to be crystal clear as to what you're saying before I give a full response to your post.

We should extend the Trump wall around all our borders and make the muslim countries pay for it.

I'm guessing Poe for now, so I'll refrain from an all-out assault.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Lol, no sane court is going to award this kid 15 million for getting wrongly detained. I'm starting to lose sympathy very quickly for him.

Sounds like the family chose an arbitrarily massive number at an attempt to make bucks. Fucking Capitalism.

More likely that it was suggested by the lawyers as a bargaining chip.

[Infected Mushroom]

criminal laws against police misconduct

you said it, the few thousand dollars serves the deterrence function, 15 million dollars can in no way serve as a reasonable basis with a primarily compensatory function (which is what civil liability law should be about, its not about profit-seeking or punishment, the overarching goal should be compensation)

victims shouldn't be winning the lottery jackpot here

Except it's not the police who are the main target. It's the school. Try again. What would keep the school from doing this again?

the police

but then again I'm not convinced they did anything wrong

[Infected Mushroom]

This is wonderful news, and proof - if any were needed - that even Muslim immigrants can fully integrate into American society, sharing fully in longstanding local cultural traditions such as issuing lawsuits for unnecessarily vast sums of money.

It brings a tear to my eye.

its completely unacceptable, if anything there should be a fine for even trying to seek such a ridiculous damages amount on such poor grounds

[Stormaen]

This is wonderful news, and proof - if any were needed - that even Muslim immigrants can fully integrate into American society, sharing fully in longstanding local cultural traditions such as issuing lawsuits for unnecessarily vast sums of money.

It brings a tear to my eye.

Alas! We go from legitimate issue to frivolous finance.

It's worth noting, however, people sue for these ridiculously vast sums because, if they win, the amount they've sued for and the amount they're awarded are almost always reduced on appeal from the sued party. He asks for $15m. If he wins he'll be lucky to get 1/3 of that and even then, on appeal, it'll be reduced further. I doubt he'll be successful and, if he is, he'll barely get $1m, let alone $15m.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Except it's not the police who are the main target. It's the school. Try again. What would keep the school from doing this again?

the police

but then again I'm not convinced they did anything wrong

They called the police on a child who had done absolutely nothing wrong, and could not even reasonably be accused of having brought a hoax bomb to school. He was suspended and arrested, though not charged.

Try again.

[The Archregimancy]

This is wonderful news, and proof - if any were needed - that even Muslim immigrants can fully integrate into American society, sharing fully in longstanding local cultural traditions such as issuing lawsuits for unnecessarily vast sums of money.

It brings a tear to my eye.

its completely unacceptable, if anything there should be a fine for even trying to seek such a ridiculous damages amount on such poor grounds

Whether it's acceptable or not is irrelevant to my point.

Suing for vast sums of money over perceived or actual slights and/or incompetence is arguably a central part of American culture, or at least American legal culture; and here we have definitive proof of the extent to which Muslim immigrants can fully embrace the core values of American civilisation.

It's therefore news that we should all be celebrating.

[Gauthier]

its completely unacceptable, if anything there should be a fine for even trying to seek such a ridiculous damages amount on such poor grounds

Whether it's acceptable or not is irrelevant to my point.

Suing for vast sums of money over perceived or actual slights and/or incompetence is arguably a central part of American culture, or at least American legal culture; and here we have definitive proof of the extent to which Muslim immigrants can fully embrace the core values of American civilisation.

It's therefore news that we should all be celebrating.

In before someone says he'll use the lawsuit proceeds to fund Daesh.

[Dejanic]

Whether it's acceptable or not is irrelevant to my point.

Suing for vast sums of money over perceived or actual slights and/or incompetence is arguably a central part of American culture, or at least American legal culture; and here we have definitive proof of the extent to which Muslim immigrants can fully embrace the core values of American civilisation.

It's therefore news that we should all be celebrating.

In before someone says he'll use the lawsuit proceeds to fund Daesh.

Let's check Breitbart news.

[Infected Mushroom]

its completely unacceptable, if anything there should be a fine for even trying to seek such a ridiculous damages amount on such poor grounds

Whether it's acceptable or not is irrelevant to my point.

Suing for vast sums of money over perceived or actual slights and/or incompetence is arguably a central part of American culture, or at least American legal culture; and here we have definitive proof of the extent to which Muslim immigrants can fully embrace the core values of American civilisation.

It's therefore news that we should all be celebrating.

Not when the said aspect of the culture is a negative and undesirable thing

[Gravlen]

Lol, no sane court is going to award this kid 15 million for getting wrongly detained. I'm starting to lose sympathy very quickly for him.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Of course, that's not the only thing they're seeking compensation for. It is also, among other things, a disregard for his 4th amendment rights (unreasonable search and seizure in addition to a wrongful detainment and interrogation without any reasonable suspicion), an attempt to coerce a confession, denial of access to parents and attorney, and a failure to Mirandize. Add to this a racial / religious component, and the statements made by Mayor Beth Van Duyne on the Glenn Beck show afterwards as well as the statements made by Police Chief Larry Boyd to the media.

Quick reminder:


That's not a suitcase.

[Risottia]

It was dumb to detain him, it's dumb to sue for $15 million.

Ditto. I blame the American "zero tolerance" culture and the American "sue" culture respectively.

Hope the judge will reduce the amount of compensation to a reasonable value.

[Infected Mushroom]

the police

but then again I'm not convinced they did anything wrong

They called the police on a child who had done absolutely nothing wrong, and could not even reasonably be accused of having brought a hoax bomb to school. He was suspended and arrested, though not charged.

Try again.

No I am not going to try again. This isn't your game show and I don't appreciate your condescending tone. If you can't be respectful and simply say something like ''You said X but I disagree because A, B, and C'' then we're done. There is absolutely no utility whatsoever to attaching a ''Try again''; its simply rude.

Consider yourself ignored.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Lol, no sane court is going to award this kid 15 million for getting wrongly detained. I'm starting to lose sympathy very quickly for him.

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Of course, that's not the only thing they're seeking compensation for. It is also, among other things, a disregard for his 4th amendment rights (unreasonable search and seizure in addition to a wrongful detainment and interrogation without any reasonable suspicion), an attempt to coerce a confession, denial of access to parents and attorney, and a failure to Mirandize. Add to this a racial / religious component, and the statements made by Mayor Beth Van Duyne on the Glenn Beck show afterwards as well as the statements made by Police Chief Larry Boyd to the media.

Quick reminder:


That's not a suitcase.

Ooh, I need to remember this post for linkage purposes later.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

They called the police on a child who had done absolutely nothing wrong, and could not even reasonably be accused of having brought a hoax bomb to school. He was suspended and arrested, though not charged.

Try again.

No I am not going to try again. This isn't your game show and I don't appreciate your condescending tone. If you can't be respectful and simply say something like ''You said X but I disagree because A, B, and C'' then we're done. There is absolutely no utility whatsoever to attaching a ''Try again''; its simply rude.

Consider yourself ignored.

I...just got ignored by IM?

I feel like I just won the NSG lottery.

[Dulce et Decorum]

Put him in a room full of unassembled parts and if he can reassemble his "invention" as in the picture then he can have the $15 million.