Clock kid sues for $15 million

[Dakini]

Where "give em an inch" = deprive them of their civil liberties, run their family out of town...

But they got to visit the White House, what more could they possibly want? Actual redress from the state bodies that wronged them? Pure greed, that is.

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

[North Arkana]

But they got to visit the White House, what more could they possibly want? Actual redress from the state bodies that wronged them? Pure greed, that is.

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

I'm pretty sure that was /s...

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

But they got to visit the White House, what more could they possibly want? Actual redress from the state bodies that wronged them? Pure greed, that is.

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

Pure Liberal PC SJW-nonsense. *nods*

[Sun Lands]

I think this is a case of power going to this kid's head. In other words. Give em an inch, they take a foot and before you know it, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Where "give em an inch" = deprive them of their civil liberties, run their family out of town...

You misunderstand me. The boy should be compensated, true enough. But 15 million is ridiculous. I had my finger chopped off and I didn't get diddly squat. He's just trying his luck.

[Dakini]

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

I'm pretty sure that was /s...

So was mine.

[The Archregimancy]

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Don't picspam, thank you.

[Dakini]

Where "give em an inch" = deprive them of their civil liberties, run their family out of town...

You misunderstand me. The boy should be compensated, true enough. But 15 million is ridiculous. I had my finger chopped off and I didn't get diddly squat. He's just trying his luck.

Nobody thinks he's going to get $15 million. This is the amount his family is threatening to sue for to get an out of court settlement because that's less time and effort than a trial.

[Sun Lands]

You misunderstand me. The boy should be compensated, true enough. But 15 million is ridiculous. I had my finger chopped off and I didn't get diddly squat. He's just trying his luck.

Nobody thinks he's going to get $15 million. This is the amount his family is threatening to sue for to get an out of court settlement because that's less time and effort than a trial.

Well, good for him.

[Novorobo]

Even if you assume it wasn't on purpose, (an assumption that could be reasonably disputed as it is) there's a lot this kid could have done to avoid getting arrested.

Backlash to this kind of politically correct stupidity is what fuels Donald Trump's campaign.

[Ifreann]

But they got to visit the White House, what more could they possibly want? Actual redress from the state bodies that wronged them? Pure greed, that is.

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

Totally unreasonable.

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Where "give em an inch" = deprive them of their civil liberties, run their family out of town...

You misunderstand me. The boy should be compensated, true enough. But 15 million is ridiculous.

It's certainly a lot of money, but keep in mind that the complaint is that Ahmed's constitutional rights were violated. That's a big deal.

I had my finger chopped off and I didn't get diddly squat. He's just trying his luck.

Maybe you should have sued someone over your finger. Obviously I don't know the circumstances of your separation from it, but if it was demonstrably someone else's fault then I'd think you should have at least been able to get any medical bills covered.

[Ifreann]

Even if you assume it wasn't on purpose, (an assumption that could be reasonably disputed as it is)

Please do reasonably dispute it, then, because previous attempts to do so have been completely unreasonable from start to finish.

there's a lot this kid could have done to avoid getting arrested.

I can haz summary of the argument the video is putting forth plzthnx? I prefer not to watch Youtube videos at work.

Backlash to this kind of politically correct stupidity is what fuels Donald Trump's campaign.

Yeah, right to have an attorney present during questioning is such PC stupidity.

[Gun Manufacturers]

And that is very, very sad. Where are the times that a boy makes his own alarm system to detect the unauthorised presence of his sister in his room ?
Where are the times that boys install sensors to detect an approaching mom or dad when they are having quality time with a swimsuit magazine or.. if lucky.. an old playboy ?
It just saddens me that nowadays even transferring something from one casing to another seems to be considered a sign of brilliance

Wait, people used to have sensors to detect that?

I was lucky. The stairs leading to the second floor (where my bedroom was located) used to creak, alerting me to the imminent arrival of one of my parents.

[Sun Lands]

Maybe you should have sued someone over your finger. Obviously I don't know the circumstances of your separation from it, but if it was demonstrably someone else's fault then I'd think you should have at least been able to get any medical bills covered.[/quote]

I did try, and again, I got diddly squat. Had to pay my own bills.

[Gravlen]

Even if you assume it wasn't on purpose, (an assumption that could be reasonably disputed as it is) there's a lot this kid could have done to avoid getting arrested.

Like what, exactly? Avoid being muslim and dark skinned? That's Maher's argument, which he spends five minutes making amids off-topic ranting.

Engaging with his teacher? Ahmed claims he did. He told them repeatedly it was a clock.

[Gauthier]

Even if you assume it wasn't on purpose, (an assumption that could be reasonably disputed as it is) there's a lot this kid could have done to avoid getting arrested.

Like what, exactly? Avoid being muslim and dark skinned? That's Maher's argument, which he spends five minutes making amids off-topic ranting.

Engaging with his teacher? Ahmed claims he did. He told them repeatedly it was a clock.

"There's a lot this kid could have done to avoid getting arrested" reads a bit like "there's a lot this girl could have done to avoid getting raped". Victim blaming.

[Scandinavian Nations]

Like what, exactly? Avoid being muslim and dark skinned?

That wouldn't have helped.

His brief encounter with the police (something, I might add, many people would be better off for experiencing) was the result of modern school zero-tolerance paranoia.

Students these days get detained for possessing scissors and candy. All him being another color would've avoided is making the news.

[Ifreann]

Like what, exactly? Avoid being muslim and dark skinned?

That wouldn't have helped.

His brief encounter with the police (something, I might add, many people would be better off for experiencing) was the result of modern school zero-tolerance paranoia.

Students these days get detained for possessing scissors and candy. All him being another color would've avoided is making the news.

And maybe he'd have been allowed to see his father or a lawyer.

[Infected Mushroom]

Then I guess we simply have a very different intuitive understanding of what a ''reasonable person'' standard (with respect to technological literacy) ought to look like when we're trying to decide if someone is negligent or not. I think that because at least some reasonable people could reasonably perceive it as a bomb (given the widespread media influence of how bombs and small IEDs look like and given that there's no reason to assume untrained people necessarily have a certain threshold of technical proficiency/literacy with respect to bombs)... that the teacher, if they made a bad call, shouldn't be held liable in any sense because their behaviour falls within the spectrum of possible reasonable responses to something that could have looked like a bomb to them.

Of course, if the teacher did believe that the clock was a bomb, then she did behave negligently. She handled the "bomb", failed to sound the alarm for an evacuation, did not call the emergency services promptly, but instead brought Ahmed and his "bomb" to the principal's office.

Okay.

But the theory was that at some point she started carrying out actions under the assumption that this was a bomb hoax/prank against school policy. Most schools have some sort of zero-tolerance policy against pranks of that kind that require certain procedures (like bringing in the police etc).

[Ifreann]

Of course, if the teacher did believe that the clock was a bomb, then she did behave negligently. She handled the "bomb", failed to sound the alarm for an evacuation, did not call the emergency services promptly, but instead brought Ahmed and his "bomb" to the principal's office.

Okay.

But the theory was that at some point she started carrying out actions under the assumption that this was a bomb hoax/prank against school policy. Most schools have some sort of zero-tolerance policy against pranks of that kind that require certain procedures (like bringing in the police etc).

"At some point" necessarily being before she took any action at all, because no action on her part was congruent with responsible behaviour from a teacher who suspects there is a bomb in her classroom. And if you're considering arguing that the teacher thought it was a bomb but changed her mind before doing anything then I'll point out now that that's both unverifiable and irrelevant.

[Scandinavian Nations]

And maybe he'd have been allowed to see his father or a lawyer.

And maybe he'd have been actually charged and eventually given a plea bargain for a hundred hours of community labor (if he was black), or investigated for his parents' immigration status (if he was latino), or expelled afterwards to help the school meet its race quotas (if he was white), or have to stay in custody for days with his device was being examined as if it were an actual bomb (if he was asian), or let go with a laugh (if they were a she), or with a year's worth of bullying and nasty laughs (if they were an unattractive she). It's a no win scenario.

[Infected Mushroom]

Okay.

But the theory was that at some point she started carrying out actions under the assumption that this was a bomb hoax/prank against school policy. Most schools have some sort of zero-tolerance policy against pranks of that kind that require certain procedures (like bringing in the police etc).

"At some point" necessarily being before she took any action at all, because no action on her part was congruent with responsible behaviour from a teacher who suspects there is a bomb in her classroom. And if you're considering arguing that the teacher thought it was a bomb but changed her mind before doing anything then I'll point out now that that's both unverifiable and irrelevant.

One theory is that she first thought it was a real bomb and took action. Upon closer inspection soon after, she knew it wasn't a bomb but was forced to follow school procedures regarding dangerous/disturbing pranks.

[Galloism]

"At some point" necessarily being before she took any action at all, because no action on her part was congruent with responsible behaviour from a teacher who suspects there is a bomb in her classroom. And if you're considering arguing that the teacher thought it was a bomb but changed her mind before doing anything then I'll point out now that that's both unverifiable and irrelevant.

One theory is that she first thought it was a real bomb and took action. Upon closer inspection soon after, she knew it wasn't a bomb but was forced to follow school procedures regarding dangerous/disturbing pranks.

Objection, your honor!

Unreasonable and unsupported speculation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

One theory is that she first thought it was a real bomb and took action. Upon closer inspection soon after, she knew it wasn't a bomb but was forced to follow school procedures regarding dangerous/disturbing pranks.

Objection, your honor!

Unreasonable and unsupported speculation.

It's all that mind reading going on with Ahmed

Shit, I wish I could have such a superpower.

[Ifreann]

"At some point" necessarily being before she took any action at all, because no action on her part was congruent with responsible behaviour from a teacher who suspects there is a bomb in her classroom. And if you're considering arguing that the teacher thought it was a bomb but changed her mind before doing anything then I'll point out now that that's both unverifiable and irrelevant.

One theory is that she first thought it was a real bomb and took action. Upon closer inspection soon after, she knew it wasn't a bomb but was forced to follow school procedures regarding dangerous/disturbing pranks.

No action on her part was congruent with responsible behaviour from a teacher who suspects there is a bomb in her classroom.

[Iwassoclose]

But they got to visit the White House, what more could they possibly want? Actual redress from the state bodies that wronged them? Pure greed, that is.

Clearly it's unreasonable to expect that the parties which harmed you should pay for your suffering.

Why do you believe his "suffering" to be worth $15million dollars?