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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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Dead animals with metal inside of them? Or just the organs?

With the organs you might probably live, you'll just end up soaked in blood and shit (literally, not metaphorically).


walk past a dead goat with a mortar shell stuffed inside of it and tell me you will just be soaked with blood and shit. :roll:

Point is, it's still effective cause the average person doesn't expect a damn goat to detonate.


hence why I said "metal".
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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Galloism wrote:Arrest farmers for a bomb hoax every time an animal dies.

*nods*


never implied that or would have that done so....your point yet again?

That charging the kid with a bomb hoax over a clock that no one ever thought was a bomb, was not presented as a bomb, and doesn't look like a bomb is pretty fucking absurd.

Just like charging farmers with a bomb hoax for leaving a dead carcass for a few hours.
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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Valystria wrote:It's there.

It wouldn't be implausible for clock kid to have intentionally made a clock looking like an IED, entirely expecting it to lead to the situation that happened. And then demanding $15 million in the aftermath.


Except it's already been repeatedly explained in this thread why that's a scenario so unlikely as to be insane.

And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.

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Infected Mushroom wrote:It also seems that this was all part of some kind of a scheme for the child and his family to try and sue for millions of dollars in the first place. I agree with Valystria's theory. Clock Kid does not deserve my sympathy.

Nobody cares about your sympathy.

I care. Therefore, you are mistaken.

Galloism wrote:
Valystria wrote:That could be a valid argument for prohibiting students from bringing cell phones to school.


It always amazes me when I follow a person's line of reasoning to result in an absolutely retraded conclusion, and they shout "yep!"

What does retraded mean? I am unfamiliar with that word.

Re...traded? I haven't traded the conclusion...

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If I can reasonably think it was a bomb, others can too. The level of knowledge and expertise about bombs that the school authorities had probably approaches the limited extent of my own. Hence the groups involved behaved reasonably and that is going to be a factor in any subsequent attempts to sue the school.

It also seems that this was all part of some kind of a scheme for the child and his family to try and sue for millions of dollars in the first place. I agree with Valystria's theory. Clock Kid does not deserve my sympathy.

Contrarian as usual. Nice. But seriously, it doesn't look like a bomb. Was never treated like a bomb. And was never attempted to be presented as a bomb.

A reasonable response by the school, IF they had felt there was a bomb threat, would have involved evacuation and calling for a police bomb squad. The response here was not what would have been done in the case of a perceived bomb threat.

Must we endlessly point this out to you, or should we just give up so that you may maintain your unchanging contrarian position?

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The Alexanderians wrote:All this is going to do is give people the idea to try and get charged in similar ways so they can sue for obscene amounts of money.

I would be impressed at the brilliance of clock kid's plot were it not so unethical.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:47 pm

Valystria wrote:
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Except it's already been repeatedly explained in this thread why that's a scenario so unlikely as to be insane.

And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.

And yet what you just said is false.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:47 pm

Valystria wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Except it's already been repeatedly explained in this thread why that's a scenario so unlikely as to be insane.

And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.

Gravlen wrote:
Nobody cares about your sympathy.

I care. Therefore, you are mistaken.

Galloism wrote:
It always amazes me when I follow a person's line of reasoning to result in an absolutely retraded conclusion, and they shout "yep!"

What does retraded mean? I am unfamiliar with that word.

Re...traded? I haven't traded the conclusion...

North Arkana wrote:Contrarian as usual. Nice. But seriously, it doesn't look like a bomb. Was never treated like a bomb. And was never attempted to be presented as a bomb.

A reasonable response by the school, IF they had felt there was a bomb threat, would have involved evacuation and calling for a police bomb squad. The response here was not what would have been done in the case of a perceived bomb threat.

Must we endlessly point this out to you, or should we just give up so that you may maintain your unchanging contrarian position?

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The Alexanderians wrote:All this is going to do is give people the idea to try and get charged in similar ways so they can sue for obscene amounts of money.

I would be impressed at the brilliance of clock kid's plot were it not so unethical.

Damn you autocorrect.

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I swear the character assassination heaped on Ahmed Mohamed feels like what happens when a black youth is killed by police.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:06 pm

Valystria wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Except it's already been repeatedly explained in this thread why that's a scenario so unlikely as to be insane.

And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.

Gravlen wrote:
Nobody cares about your sympathy.

I care. Therefore, you are mistaken.

Galloism wrote:
It always amazes me when I follow a person's line of reasoning to result in an absolutely retraded conclusion, and they shout "yep!"

What does retraded mean? I am unfamiliar with that word.

Re...traded? I haven't traded the conclusion...

North Arkana wrote:Contrarian as usual. Nice. But seriously, it doesn't look like a bomb. Was never treated like a bomb. And was never attempted to be presented as a bomb.

A reasonable response by the school, IF they had felt there was a bomb threat, would have involved evacuation and calling for a police bomb squad. The response here was not what would have been done in the case of a perceived bomb threat.

Must we endlessly point this out to you, or should we just give up so that you may maintain your unchanging contrarian position?

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The Alexanderians wrote:All this is going to do is give people the idea to try and get charged in similar ways so they can sue for obscene amounts of money.

I would be impressed at the brilliance of clock kid's plot were it not so unethical.


Makes me wonder if you haven't been paying attention or if you just think that being edgy and cool and not noticing that a payout isn't even guaranteed has been repeatedly, countless times, mentioned throughout this thread.

At this point, I am not even sure if the detractors suffer from a severe lack of reading comprehension or they just simply can't, and won't, bother with anything that impacts the "dirty goat fucking opportunist sand nigger" narrative a la InfoWars.
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Postby The Enclave Government » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:07 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
walk past a dead goat with a mortar shell stuffed inside of it and tell me you will just be soaked with blood and shit. :roll:

Point is, it's still effective cause the average person doesn't expect a damn goat to detonate.


hence why I said "metal".


why are you guys talking about detonating goats...?

i guess someone really didn't like goat simulator
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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:09 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Valystria wrote:And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.


I care. Therefore, you are mistaken.


What does retraded mean? I am unfamiliar with that word.

Re...traded? I haven't traded the conclusion...


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I would be impressed at the brilliance of clock kid's plot were it not so unethical.


Makes me wonder if you haven't been paying attention or if you just think that being edgy and cool and not noticing that a payout isn't even guaranteed has been repeatedly, countless times, mentioned throughout this thread.

At this point, I am not even sure if the detractors suffer from a severe lack of reading comprehension or they just simply can't, and won't, bother with anything that impacts the "dirty sand nigger" narrative a la InfoWars.

And? The payout not being guaranteed doesn't mean it isn't a worthy gambit to venture forth on.

Currently it's far edgier to take up the default position of accusing anyone who disagrees as being some sort of Islamophobe or suffering from a cognitive disability.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:13 pm

Valystria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Makes me wonder if you haven't been paying attention or if you just think that being edgy and cool and not noticing that a payout isn't even guaranteed has been repeatedly, countless times, mentioned throughout this thread.

At this point, I am not even sure if the detractors suffer from a severe lack of reading comprehension or they just simply can't, and won't, bother with anything that impacts the "dirty sand nigger" narrative a la InfoWars.

And? The payout not being guaranteed doesn't mean it isn't a worthy gambit to venture forth on.

Currently it's far edgier to take up the default position of accusing anyone who disagrees as being some sort of Islamophobe or suffering from a cognitive disability.


Err, no, it is simply far more likely that the parties will settle with something and, if they don't, they go past small claims. Why do you think 15 million dollars are being asked? Just for shits and giggles?

With the current evidence, as it stands, it really doesn't make sense for people who come here and say "the kid's a fucking dirty opportunistic sand nigger" like some kind of mind reader than what it is to go with the present evidence: that the kid got his civil rights violated, and that there wasn't any bomb to speak of, and that they are seeking damages to the tune of 15 million so it stands out more that this is a serious issue that the school district should take care of.

But, you know, if you have mental reading capacities that can read thought as far as Qatar I am honestly surprised you haven't used those capacities for better things than to spend time in NSG proving people wrong.
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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:22 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Valystria wrote:And? The payout not being guaranteed doesn't mean it isn't a worthy gambit to venture forth on.

Currently it's far edgier to take up the default position of accusing anyone who disagrees as being some sort of Islamophobe or suffering from a cognitive disability.


Err, no, it is simply far more likely that the parties will settle with something and, if they don't, they go past small claims. Why do you think 15 million dollars are being asked? Just for shits and giggles?

With the current evidence, as it stands, it really doesn't make sense for people who come here and say "the kid's a fucking dirty opportunistic sand nigger" like some kind of mind reader than what it is to go with the present evidence: that the kid got his civil rights violated, and that there wasn't any bomb to speak of, and that they are seeking damages to the tune of 15 million so it stands out more that this is a serious issue that the school district should take care of.

Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:26 pm

Valystria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Err, no, it is simply far more likely that the parties will settle with something and, if they don't, they go past small claims. Why do you think 15 million dollars are being asked? Just for shits and giggles?

With the current evidence, as it stands, it really doesn't make sense for people who come here and say "the kid's a fucking dirty opportunistic sand nigger" like some kind of mind reader than what it is to go with the present evidence: that the kid got his civil rights violated, and that there wasn't any bomb to speak of, and that they are seeking damages to the tune of 15 million so it stands out more that this is a serious issue that the school district should take care of.

1) Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

2) The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


1) And? If I slap you in the face and then someone else invites you to have an ice cream, does that make the pain of the slap go away?

2) What evidence? I mean, the evidence is the same one I also am looking at, so I am not sure what's there to look at past your own conjectures about their character. Unless you somehow have mental capacities to read minds as far as Qatar.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the entire thing was blown out of proportion by a teacher at the school. The school is supposed to follow zero tolerance policies, what they aren't supposed to do is everything else they did if the policy is oh so fucking precious to them. The situation was handled badly from the beginning if everyone even thought it was a hoax bomb to begin with. If you have something that looks like a bomb the first step you do is get the fuck away from it and call a bomb squad working for the county or the city, this wasn't done, at all.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:36 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Valystria wrote:1) Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

2) The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


1) And? If I slap you in the face and then someone else invites you to have an ice cream, does that make the pain of the slap go away?

2) What evidence? I mean, the evidence is the same one I also am looking at, so I am not sure what's there to look at past your own conjectures about their character. Unless you somehow have mental capacities to read minds as far as Qatar.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the entire thing was blown out of proportion by a teacher at the school. The school is supposed to follow zero tolerance policies, what they aren't supposed to do is everything else they did if the policy is oh so fucking precious to them. The situation was handled badly from the beginning if everyone even thought it was a hoax bomb to begin with. If you have something that looks like a bomb the first step you do is get the fuck away from it and call a bomb squad working for the county or the city, this wasn't done, at all.


1) I just ate an entire tub of ice cream. My tummy hurts, i've been whining about it for a few minutes now.

2) There is at least sufficient evidence to suggest it's a deliberate prank for reasonable doubt to defend the government from liability.

3) Nobody is suggesting they need to think the bomb is real for zero tolerance policies to work. Fake weaponry is also zero tolerance.
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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:37 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Valystria wrote:1) Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

2) The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


1) And? If I slap you in the face and then someone else invites you to have an ice cream, does that make the pain of the slap go away?

2) What evidence? I mean, the evidence is the same one I also am looking at, so I am not sure what's there to look at past your own conjectures about their character. Unless you somehow have mental capacities to read minds as far as Qatar.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the entire thing was blown out of proportion by a teacher at the school. The school is supposed to follow zero tolerance policies, what they aren't supposed to do is everything else they did if the policy is oh so fucking precious to them. The situation was handled badly from the beginning if everyone even thought it was a hoax bomb to begin with. If you have something that looks like a bomb the first step you do is get the fuck away from it and call a bomb squad working for the county or the city, this wasn't done, at all.


What...? I assume this is like the question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

It's not conjectures about character. It's an examination of the circumstances.

The teacher did what they were required to do.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:38 pm

Valystria wrote:
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Except it's already been repeatedly explained in this thread why that's a scenario so unlikely as to be insane.

And yet all the evidence suggests that's exactly what happened.


No. No, it doesn't.

The first teacher that he showed it to was an engineering teacher. who would automatically know that it was not a bomb. He then showed it to a friend in another class. The alarm went off. When the teacher asked to see it, he showed him the clock. He did not say that it was a bomb. He said that it was a clock inside of a pencil case. He did not tell his friend that it was a bomb. He did not use it as a fake bomb for play purposes. It did not actually resemble a bomb, being a few circuit boards, some wires, and a digital display, which is what a clock without its casing looks like. It was in a pencil case, not a briefcase. There was no way of knowing that the teacher, principal, or police would have overreacted in this manner, and especially not that the police would stupidly violate his constitutional rights by not reading him his Miranda rights or allowing him access to his parents during questioning. Repeat: Unless the kid was Batman, there was no way to foresee that.

The popular opinion surrounding this matter happens to be incorrect. It is better to be a contrarian than to be wrong.


I can't help but notice that you didn't address the meat of that post.

I would be impressed at the brilliance of clock kid's plot were it not so unethical.


If this was a plot, then it was a needlessly convoluted one, far too dependent on too many variables, and poorly executed by Ahmed due to the fact that he only showed the clock to three people total voluntarily, one of whom was a friend who was unlikely to tell on him, and the other of whom was an engineering teacher who would know that it was not a bomb (and indeed knew that it wasn't).

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:40 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
1) And? If I slap you in the face and then someone else invites you to have an ice cream, does that make the pain of the slap go away?

2) What evidence? I mean, the evidence is the same one I also am looking at, so I am not sure what's there to look at past your own conjectures about their character. Unless you somehow have mental capacities to read minds as far as Qatar.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the entire thing was blown out of proportion by a teacher at the school. The school is supposed to follow zero tolerance policies, what they aren't supposed to do is everything else they did if the policy is oh so fucking precious to them. The situation was handled badly from the beginning if everyone even thought it was a hoax bomb to begin with. If you have something that looks like a bomb the first step you do is get the fuck away from it and call a bomb squad working for the county or the city, this wasn't done, at all.


1) I just ate an entire tub of ice cream. My tummy hurts, i've been whining about it for a few minutes now.

2) There is at least sufficient evidence to suggest it's a deliberate prank for reasonable doubt to defend the government from liability.

3) Nobody is suggesting they need to think the bomb is real for zero tolerance policies to work. Fake weaponry is also zero tolerance.
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1) Good on you, I guess

2) Considering the fact that this probably wasn't a prank given the fact he already had shown it to the engineering teacher at the school, I don't think it was a prank. Unless, of course, you also so happen to have mental reading capacities even stronger than Valistrya and can read minds through time.

3) If they had to act, I am fucking surprised the engineering teacher, who was the one who first saw the pencilcase, didn't say anything about it himself.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:42 pm

Valystria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Err, no, it is simply far more likely that the parties will settle with something and, if they don't, they go past small claims. Why do you think 15 million dollars are being asked? Just for shits and giggles?

With the current evidence, as it stands, it really doesn't make sense for people who come here and say "the kid's a fucking dirty opportunistic sand nigger" like some kind of mind reader than what it is to go with the present evidence: that the kid got his civil rights violated, and that there wasn't any bomb to speak of, and that they are seeking damages to the tune of 15 million so it stands out more that this is a serious issue that the school district should take care of.

Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:43 pm

Valystria wrote:
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1) And? If I slap you in the face and then someone else invites you to have an ice cream, does that make the pain of the slap go away?

2) What evidence? I mean, the evidence is the same one I also am looking at, so I am not sure what's there to look at past your own conjectures about their character. Unless you somehow have mental capacities to read minds as far as Qatar.

3) Interesting how you seem unaware that the entire thing was blown out of proportion by a teacher at the school. The school is supposed to follow zero tolerance policies, what they aren't supposed to do is everything else they did if the policy is oh so fucking precious to them. The situation was handled badly from the beginning if everyone even thought it was a hoax bomb to begin with. If you have something that looks like a bomb the first step you do is get the fuck away from it and call a bomb squad working for the county or the city, this wasn't done, at all.


What...? I assume this is like the question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

It's not conjectures about character. It's an examination of the circumstances.

The teacher did what they were required to do.


No, it's basically "if I make an act of aggression against you, say assault, and someone else offers you ice cream, would you not sue me because you had ice cream?"

It is a conjecture of character if you say "the kid is obviously being nefarious and unethical" when you can't even read his mind. Again, if you CAN read minds as far as Qatar I am surprised you're not in some counterterrorism unit working for your nation's military.

No the teacher didn't do what they were required to do, otherwise they wouldn't have touched the pencilcase.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:44 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Valystria wrote:Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?


Apparently they are mind readers with level that far surpasses Tom Cruise's psychokinesis level 15.
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Postby Italios » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:50 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?


Apparently they are mind readers with level that far surpasses Tom Cruise's psychokinesis level 15.

And they scoff when we say that racial profiling was a contributer to the arrest and that we're "jumping to conclusions!"
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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:50 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Valystria wrote:
What...? I assume this is like the question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

It's not conjectures about character. It's an examination of the circumstances.

The teacher did what they were required to do.


No, it's basically "if I make an act of aggression against you, say assault, and someone else offers you ice cream, would you not sue me because you had ice cream?"

What is that relevant to?

Soldati senza confini wrote:It is a conjecture of character if you say "the kid is obviously being nefarious and unethical" when you can't even read his mind. Again, if you CAN read minds as far as Qatar I am surprised you're not in some counterterrorism unit working for your nation's military.

I am not interested in a military career.

Soldati senza confini wrote:No the teacher didn't do what they were required to do, otherwise they wouldn't have touched the pencilcase.

At no point was it alleged that it was a real bomb. They knew it was a hoax weapon. The school handled the situation as they were required to.

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Postby Valystria » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:52 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Valystria wrote:Clock kid has already benefited immensely, having received a scholarship and other such things as a result of the incident.

The evidence is that this was a nefarious plot to leverage for personal gain.

Interesting how you seem unaware that the school district did nothing wrong. The school is forced to follow zero tolerance policies. If you want to take issue with how the situation was handled you should apply your blame to the police, not to the school.


What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?

I have went over this already in my previous posts.

Italios wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Apparently they are mind readers with level that far surpasses Tom Cruise's psychokinesis level 15.

And they scoff when we say that racial profiling was a contributer to the arrest and that we're "jumping to conclusions!"

I haven't seen anyone scoff at that.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:53 pm

Valystria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
No, it's basically "if I make an act of aggression against you, say assault, and someone else offers you ice cream, would you not sue me because you had ice cream?"

What is that relevant to?

Soldati senza confini wrote:It is a conjecture of character if you say "the kid is obviously being nefarious and unethical" when you can't even read his mind. Again, if you CAN read minds as far as Qatar I am surprised you're not in some counterterrorism unit working for your nation's military.

I am not interested in a military career.

Soldati senza confini wrote:No the teacher didn't do what they were required to do, otherwise they wouldn't have touched the pencilcase.

At no point was it alleged that it was a real bomb. They knew it was a hoax weapon. The school handled the situation as they were required to.


1) To the fact that you're screaming "WELL THE KID IS FAMOUS AND SHIT, CAN WE LET IT GO NOW?!" Would you let go a charge of assault and battery just because you were consoled by someone else, yes or no? It's a rather simple question.

2) Not my point. My point is that, unless you can read minds as far as Qatar, you are just making up bullshit.

3) No they did not. If you think it is a hoax weapon first you have to make sure it isn't a real weapon, and for that you have to call an expert in explosives and not touch the thing, which the teacher clearly did not comply.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Valystria wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?

I have went over this already in my previous posts.



Link me to that post, then, and save yourself the trouble of typing it out again.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Valystria wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
What. Is. The. Evidence?

Do you have statements from the parents or Ahmed to indicate that it was intentional? Evidence that he showed the device voluntarily to more than a couple of people? Statements that he might have hinted that it might have been something other than a clock, which is what it was? Was this his first time bringing some sort of cobbled-together or reassembled device to school (hint: it wasn't)? Did he try to show it to more than a few people in the hopes that someone would get the wrong idea? Was there any way to foresee that the police would deny him his Constitutional rights?

What evidence do you have other than your own biased take on the events of the day?

I have went over this already in my previous posts.

Italios wrote:And they scoff when we say that racial profiling was a contributer to the arrest and that we're "jumping to conclusions!"

I haven't seen anyone scoff at that.


Like I told IM: "Shit I pull out of my ass and I play with it as if it was play-doh" doesn't count as "evidence".
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