Clock kid sues for $15 million

[Galloism]

Proof i said. Your anecdotes prove nothing regarding your impression being any way representative of what a reasonable person would suspect.

they establish that there is at least some degree of controversy regarding what the thing looks like and with respect to first impressions; hence it is reasonable to assume that some people could have seen it and genuinely thought it was a bomb while not being at the same time a fool

probabilistically, there is too low of a chance that all of the people I've quizzed are in some way unbelievably and abnormally technologically illiterate

Clearly these most-likely-imaginary people are, or they would realize it looks nothing like a bomb.

Once again, no one, at any point, thought the clock was a bomb or treated it like a possible bomb. And I still see no proof that your impression is in any way representative of what a reasonable person would suspect.

[North Calaveras]

You probably have to ask EOD for reference and they most likely won't tell you since their security clearance is SECRET.

No shit.

Also, mind, I'm not even asking because I'm into blowing up schools, but really, it makes no sense to think a 14 year old has the kind of materials to make a good household explosive that can kill people and put it inside the lining of a pencilcase.

Who gives crap?

Do you think every suicide bomber makes his own bomb vest?

[The Emerald World]

The fact that he got so much stuff for taking apart a pre-made clock is absolute bullshit.

Now that he (or his family) is using for $15 million, this is even worse. They deserve at most a few hundred dollars for what happened.

[Galloism]

I found something that looks like a bomb. The teacher is a terrorist!

(Image)

horrible example, that's coming from me using my custom gaming pc as I type

it clearly looks like a computer, just with the side taken off

It dosn't look like a damn bomb inside a case and anyone with half a brain can see that it's clearly a computer that's merely missing the side panel.

And anyone who has ever seen a clock can tell that the clock in the pencil case was just a clock with its outer shell removed.

Seriously - look at it. There are no extra parts or parts missing. Not one.

[Infected Mushroom]

they establish that there is at least some degree of controversy regarding what the thing looks like and with respect to first impressions; hence it is reasonable to assume that some people could have seen it and genuinely thought it was a bomb while not being at the same time a fool

probabilistically, there is too low of a chance that all of the people I've quizzed are in some way unbelievably and abnormally technologically illiterate

Clearly these most-likely-imaginary people are, or they would realize it looks nothing like a bomb.

Once again, no one, at any point, thought the clock was a bomb or treated it like a possible bomb. And I still see no proof that your impression is in any way representative of what a reasonable person would suspect.

the average reasonable person doesn't have to think it is a bomb, it's enough to establish that the average reasonable person COULD (without negligence or unnatural levels of technical illiteracy); hence from the fact that I can point to several other people whose first impression is that it is a bomb... I can conclude that it is possible for reasonable people to think it is a bomb on a first impression.

Unless you want to assert that all of us are unreasonable. But reasonable really just means average member of the community and why should you have any reason to think I intentionally/accidentally picked all outliers?

[Uxupox]

You probably have to ask EOD for reference and they most likely won't tell you since their security clearance is SECRET.

No shit.

Also, mind, I'm not even asking because I'm into blowing up schools, but really, it makes no sense to think a 14 year old has the kind of materials to make a good household explosive that can kill people and put it inside the lining of a pencilcase.

Just answering a question. Also I highly doubt those kids in Afghanistan made their own bomb vests.

[North Calaveras]

horrible example, that's coming from me using my custom gaming pc as I type

it clearly looks like a computer, just with the side taken off

It dosn't look like a damn bomb inside a case and anyone with half a brain can see that it's clearly a computer that's merely missing the side panel.

And anyone who has ever seen a clock can tell that the clock in the pencil case was just a clock with its outer shell removed.

Seriously - look at it. There are no extra parts or parts missing. Not one.

That thing would never make it through the front gate of a military post without the kid being detained at the very minimum. If it looked so much like a clock you would have a case.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I found something that looks like a bomb. The teacher is a terrorist!

horrible example, that's coming from me using my custom gaming pc as I type

it clearly looks like a computer, just with the side taken off

It dosn't look like a damn bomb inside a case and anyone with half a brain can see that it's clearly a computer that's merely missing the side panel.

And yet you have enough parts that, with enough force applied, could blow up and hit you.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

And yet a 14 year old kid built it?

Maybe someone else built it for him or got it for him from abroad and then instructed him to use it

I've also heard that some terrorist cells use children for some operations

If someone competent built it, it wouldn't look like a digital clock in a pencil case. It would look like a backpack. You can fit a lot more explosives and plenty of nails and shit for shrapnel.

[North Calaveras]

horrible example, that's coming from me using my custom gaming pc as I type

it clearly looks like a computer, just with the side taken off

It dosn't look like a damn bomb inside a case and anyone with half a brain can see that it's clearly a computer that's merely missing the side panel.

And yet you have enough parts that, with enough force applied, could blow up and hit you.

yes, and?

it's not the intention of the machine to do this unless you tamper with it in some may or incorrectly assemble it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No shit.

Also, mind, I'm not even asking because I'm into blowing up schools, but really, it makes no sense to think a 14 year old has the kind of materials to make a good household explosive that can kill people and put it inside the lining of a pencilcase.

Who gives crap?

Do you think every suicide bomber makes his own bomb vest?

So now you're going to assume that Ahmed didn't make the clock but rather someone else helped him?

[Galloism]

Clearly these most-likely-imaginary people are, or they would realize it looks nothing like a bomb.

Once again, no one, at any point, thought the clock was a bomb or treated it like a possible bomb. And I still see no proof that your impression is in any way representative of what a reasonable person would suspect.

the average reasonable person doesn't have to think it is a bomb, it's enough to establish that the average reasonable person COULD (without negligence or unnatural levels of technical illiteracy); hence from the fact that I can point to several other people whose first impression is that it is a bomb... I can conclude that it is possible for reasonable people to think it is a bomb on a first impression.

but your conclusion lacks evidence. I wanted proof. Your anecdotes are not proof.

Unless you want to assert that all of us are unreasonable.

I assert nothing. I merely demand proof that your views on this are in any way indicative of a reasonable person (a claim YOU made).

But reasonable really just means average member of the community and why should you have any reason to think I intentionally/accidentally picked all outliers?

I don't really think you picked anyone. I think you pulled this straight outta your ass and didn't even wash it first before posting it in the thread.

[North Calaveras]

Who gives crap?

Do you think every suicide bomber makes his own bomb vest?

So now you're going to assume that Ahmed didn't make the clock but rather someone else helped him?

No, I never made that assumption, im merely pointing out that being 14 really doesn't mean anything in this context.

I do believe he made the "clock" but I think his father made him do it a certain way to cause a scene.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Clearly these most-likely-imaginary people are, or they would realize it looks nothing like a bomb.

Once again, no one, at any point, thought the clock was a bomb or treated it like a possible bomb. And I still see no proof that your impression is in any way representative of what a reasonable person would suspect.

the average reasonable person doesn't have to think it is a bomb, it's enough to establish that the average reasonable person COULD (without negligence or unnatural levels of technical illiteracy); hence from the fact that I can point to several other people whose first impression is that it is a bomb... I can conclude that it is possible for reasonable people to think it is a bomb on a first impression.

Unless you want to assert that all of us are unreasonable. But reasonable really just means average member of the community and why should you have any reason to think I intentionally/accidentally picked all outliers?

I don't know, why should we think your representative population isn't?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So now you're going to assume that Ahmed didn't make the clock but rather someone else helped him?

No, I never made that assumption, im merely pointing out that being 14 really doesn't mean anything in this context.

I do believe he made the "clock" but I think his father made him do it a certain way to cause a scene.

That we don't know; it is plausible, although not really provable at this point I think.

[Galloism]

And anyone who has ever seen a clock can tell that the clock in the pencil case was just a clock with its outer shell removed.

Seriously - look at it. There are no extra parts or parts missing. Not one.

That thing would never make it through the front gate of a military post without the kid being detained at the very minimum. If it looked so much like a clock you would have a case.

If you don't have a badge saying your are a soldier or IT, you won't get into a military base with a PC in your hands without getting detained either. Because it's larger and more useful as a bomb container.

[North Calaveras]

No, I never made that assumption, im merely pointing out that being 14 really doesn't mean anything in this context.

I do believe he made the "clock" but I think his father made him do it a certain way to cause a scene.

That we don't know; it is plausible, although not really provable at this point I think.

so are the calls about racism, but that's none of my business though

[North Calaveras]

That thing would never make it through the front gate of a military post without the kid being detained at the very minimum. If it looked so much like a clock you would have a case.

If you don't have a badge saying your are a soldier or IT, you won't get into a military base with a PC in your hands without getting detained either. Because it's larger and more useful as a bomb container.

That's not the point...

if this thing looked so much like a clock i would say it's good to go...but I can tell you this from training..that fucking thing dosn't look like a clock

but whatever, my personal experiences mean nothing in this case.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Sorry, what part of all of that is supposed to convince the school district that they shouldn't have suspended him, and the police that they don't get to get away with violating his Constitutional rights?

I don't hear you bitching about all the gun-owners rights being violated when they open carry and people call the police on them, even though they never broke the law in the slightest, where is there money?

sure quick to defend this kid and his sketchy ass "clock"

If said open carry advocate were detained and questioned without an attorney present (or, in the case of a juvenile, without his parents present), I'd support his right to sue the hell out of the police.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That we don't know; it is plausible, although not really provable at this point I think.

so are the calls about racism, but that's none of my business though

Well, I don't think the teacher was racist, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I think she was incompetent and stupid and blew up an innocent case way out of proportion and, that given she never even evacuated the area, it is more likely she knew (or believed) it wasn't a bomb, so it is either incompetence, stupidity, or racism.

You take your poison.

[North Calaveras]

I don't hear you bitching about all the gun-owners rights being violated when they open carry and people call the police on them, even though they never broke the law in the slightest, where is there money?

sure quick to defend this kid and his sketchy ass "clock"

If said open carry advocate were detained and questioned without an attorney present (or, in the case of a juvenile, without his parents present), I'd support his right to sue the hell out of the police.

for 15 million dollars?

I don't believe you honestly.

[Galloism]

If you don't have a badge saying your are a soldier or IT, you won't get into a military base with a PC in your hands without getting detained either. Because it's larger and more useful as a bomb container.

That's not the point...

if this thing looked so much like a clock i would say it's good to go...but I can tell you this from training..that fucking thing dosn't look like a clock

but whatever, my personal experiences mean nothing in this case.

I looked at the high res photo. It looks nothing like a bomb to me.

However, that's equally worthless. What IS pertinent is that no one - from the original confiscating teacher to the arresting officers and everyone in between - thought it was a bomb.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If said open carry advocate were detained and questioned without an attorney present (or, in the case of a juvenile, without his parents present), I'd support his right to sue the hell out of the police.

for 15 million dollars?

I don't believe you honestly.

I'll try to find some way of living with the burden of your mistrust.

[North Calaveras]

so are the calls about racism, but that's none of my business though

Well, I don't think the teacher was racist, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I think she was incompetent and stupid and blew up an innocent case way out of proportion and, that given she never even evacuated the area, it is more likely she knew it wasn't a bomb, so it is either incompetence, stupidity, or racism.

You take your poison.

I never pointed at you specifically, but more than enough people have pulled the race card already.

[Galloism]

If said open carry advocate were detained and questioned without an attorney present (or, in the case of a juvenile, without his parents present), I'd support his right to sue the hell out of the police.

for 15 million dollars?

I don't believe you honestly.

Lawsuit threat letters usually start with high numbers. Then they settle for much less.