Clock kid sues for $15 million

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I can assure you many American teens know semtex as an explosive thanks to a certain video franchise. They know the wrong things about it, but they know it goes boom.

it can't be expected of an ordinary schoolteacher/school administration

But it can be expected of a schoolteacher/school administration to realize that thinking a 14 year old kid's pencil box with a clock face on it might be a bomb in Irving fucking Texas might not be reasonable, but is paranoid to the point of Olympic caliber stupidity.

[Kanaria]

Eh, whatever.

[Infected Mushroom]

it can't be expected of an ordinary schoolteacher/school administration

You don't have to be a technical person to know some technical stuff.

Shit, I have mid-level technical knowledge as opposed to people who program shit and build robots, "passing technical knowledge" should be at least the very minimum you should know about technical stuff (like, for instance "this shit is made of X electronics and it kinda doesn't look like a bomb, looks more like a cheap Hollywood prop").

Someone of my level of technical knowledge can more or less tell you that no, that shit isn't a bomb, doesn't look like a bomb, and that you're just delusional if you think that is a bomb.

Someone with explosives training can tell you all of the above PLUS why is that shit not a bomb in great detail.

Correct. But the law doesn't impose a duty to have even a moderate level of technical expertise or a passing level of technical expertise. And so the actions are reasonable (suspecting it is a bomb).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You don't have to be a technical person to know some technical stuff.

Shit, I have mid-level technical knowledge as opposed to people who program shit and build robots, "passing technical knowledge" should be at least the very minimum you should know about technical stuff (like, for instance "this shit is made of X electronics and it kinda doesn't look like a bomb, looks more like a cheap Hollywood prop").

Someone of my level of technical knowledge can more or less tell you that no, that shit isn't a bomb, doesn't look like a bomb, and that you're just delusional if you think that is a bomb.

Someone with explosives training can tell you all of the above PLUS why is that shit not a bomb in great detail.

Correct. But the law doesn't impose a duty to have even a moderate level of technical expertise or a passing level of technical expertise. And so the actions are reasonable (suspecting it is a bomb).

Any reasonable person would know the very basics of an everyday electronic device.

This isn't the fucking 1800s when electronics were not a thing.

[Infected Mushroom]

Correct. But the law doesn't impose a duty to have even a moderate level of technical expertise or a passing level of technical expertise. And so the actions are reasonable (suspecting it is a bomb).

Any reasonable person would know the very basics of an everyday electronic device.

This isn't the fucking 1800s when electronics were not a thing.

No, I know plenty of reasonable people who wouldn't

I would have been fooled into thinking it was a bomb

[Infected Mushroom]

it can't be expected of an ordinary schoolteacher/school administration

But it can be expected of a schoolteacher/school administration to realize that thinking a 14 year old kid's pencil box with a clock face on it might be a bomb in Irving fucking Texas might not be reasonable, but is paranoid to the point of Olympic caliber stupidity.

with the present War on Terror, it isn't paranoia

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Any reasonable person would know the very basics of an everyday electronic device.

This isn't the fucking 1800s when electronics were not a thing.

No, I know plenty of reasonable people who wouldn't

I would have been fooled into thinking it was a bomb

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

[Imperial Esplanade]

At some point, this becomes less about 'pursuing justice' and more about 'taking advantage of the situation.'

[North Calaveras]

No, I know plenty of reasonable people who wouldn't

I would have been fooled into thinking it was a bomb

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

I'm military police and I would definatley go " Da fuck is that in your car sir"

I would definatley stop him, especially with the exposed wires(one of the things you want to look for in the case of an IED)

inb4: Well your just a shitty MP then remarks.

[Infected Mushroom]

No, I know plenty of reasonable people who wouldn't

I would have been fooled into thinking it was a bomb

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

since every given person's knowledge of technology varies, its unreasonable to assume a standard of technical knowledge whereby basic bomb recognition skills are a part of; especially in this borderline case

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

I'm military police and I would definatley go " Da fuck is that in your car sir"

I would definatley stop him, especially with the exposed wires(one of the things you want to look for in the case of an IED)

inb4: Well your just a shitty MP then remarks.

Because clearly then you would assume that is a bomb, apprehend the suspect, violate their rights, all the while pretending it is a bomb and realizing on a snap second it isn't.

Plus, you wouldn't have noticed since that was hidden inside a backpack and the wires are not exposed until you open the pencilcase.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

since every given person's knowledge of technology varies, its unreasonable to assume a standard of technical knowledge whereby basic bomb recognition skills are a part of; especially in this borderline case

This isn't even about basic bomb recognition skills.

Shit, I have never even seen a bomb but I'd know that's not a bomb, or at least one that someone wishing to do harm would even bother to do.

[North Calaveras]

I'm military police and I would definatley go " Da fuck is that in your car sir"

I would definatley stop him, especially with the exposed wires(one of the things you want to look for in the case of an IED)

inb4: Well your just a shitty MP then remarks.

Because clearly then you would assume that is a bomb, apprehend the suspect, violate their rights, all the while pretending it is a bomb and realizing on a snap second it isn't.

well if it has wires and beeps and shit...I'd rather not play with that, especially in my job. He would be at the very least detained(cuffs on, but not under arrest) I also wouldn't approach the damn thing and inspect it cause that's what we have EOD on base for.

[Infected Mushroom]

At some point, this becomes less about 'pursuing justice' and more about 'taking advantage of the situation.'

I would say that line has been clearly crossed in this case. The greed and profit-seeking behaviour is loathsome.

[Fartsniffage]

Okay, so you are using the computer and you don't know the basic parts of a computer?

Tell me, how much are you going to shift your goalposts before we get to the level of every reasonable person having the technical knowledge of a 3 year old?

I'm military police and I would definatley go " Da fuck is that in your car sir"

I would definatley stop him, especially with the exposed wires(one of the things you want to look for in the case of an IED)

inb4: Well your just a shitty MP then remarks.

Do you frequently operate as an MP in Texan schools?

[North Calaveras]

I'm military police and I would definatley go " Da fuck is that in your car sir"

I would definatley stop him, especially with the exposed wires(one of the things you want to look for in the case of an IED)

inb4: Well your just a shitty MP then remarks.

Do you frequently operate as an MP in Texan schools?

I think you know the answer to that

besides, my point was we would definatley see something wrong with that and detain, regardless if it was a pencil case.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

was all the shit from Microsoft and college offers and a visit to the white house not good enough?

Sorry, what part of all of that is supposed to convince the school district that they shouldn't have suspended him, and the police that they don't get to get away with violating his Constitutional rights?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Because clearly then you would assume that is a bomb, apprehend the suspect, violate their rights, all the while pretending it is a bomb and realizing on a snap second it isn't.

well if it has wires and beeps and shit...I'd rather not play with that, especially in my job. He would be at the very least detained(cuffs on, but not under arrest) I also wouldn't approach the damn thing and inspect it cause that's what we have EOD on base for.

Yea, see, even you would have the common sense to not touch the fucking thing.

This teacher in particular just grabbed it and put it in her desk. So tell me, at which point does this have a semblance about "reasonable assumption" of a bomb and at which point does this doesn't make you aware the teacher was incompetent if she managed to handle the pencilcase and put it in her desk if she thought it was a bomb, clearly under violation of any school protocols about handling bombs (which she should have been given a basic training on).

[Fartsniffage]

Do you frequently operate as an MP in Texan schools?

I think you know the answer to that

besides, my point was we would definatley see something wrong with that and detain, regardless if it was a pencil case.

In a warzone or on a military base, I agree with you. In a high school though?

[North Calaveras]

was all the shit from Microsoft and college offers and a visit to the white house not good enough?

Sorry, what part of all of that is supposed to convince the school district that they shouldn't have suspended him, and the police that they don't get to get away with violating his Constitutional rights?

I don't hear you bitching about all the gun-owners rights being violated when they open carry and people call the police on them, even though they never broke the law in the slightest, where is there money?

sure quick to defend this kid and his sketchy ass "clock"

[North Calaveras]

I think you know the answer to that

besides, my point was we would definatley see something wrong with that and detain, regardless if it was a pencil case.

In a warzone or on a military base, I agree with you. In a high school though?

Highschool staff dosn't have the same training

and it clearly looks like a type of IED, that thing does not jump out as clock by any glance.

[Fartsniffage]

Sorry, what part of all of that is supposed to convince the school district that they shouldn't have suspended him, and the police that they don't get to get away with violating his Constitutional rights?

I don't hear you bitching about all the gun-owners rights being violated when they open carry and people call the police on them, even though they never broke the law in the slightest, where is there money?

sure quick to defend this kid and his sketchy ass "clock"

Are those people arrested and interrogated without access to legal representation or even their parents if they're a minor?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sorry, what part of all of that is supposed to convince the school district that they shouldn't have suspended him, and the police that they don't get to get away with violating his Constitutional rights?

I don't hear you bitching about all the gun-owners rights being violated when they open carry and people call the police on them, even though they never broke the law in the slightest, where is there money?

sure quick to defend this kid and his sketchy ass "clock"

If they are arrested without miranda rights, handcuffed, escorted through a public place to the police card, and refused to see an attorney then yea, they should probably sue the city too.

[Fartsniffage]

In a warzone or on a military base, I agree with you. In a high school though?

Highschool staff dosn't have the same training

and it clearly looks like a type of IED, that thing does not jump out as clock by any glance.

You're right. High school teachers are trained to not even touch the thing, evacuate the area and contact the authorities. Guess which was the only one of these things that this teacher did?

[North Calaveras]

Does it matter? in your case your saying that rights were violated

I believe my second amendment rights would be violated if some cop made me get on the ground or put my hands on my head cause some asshole called on me for open carry, I would feel violated.

but im getting off topic.