Legalize it All?

[Vetalia]

By personal problems I mean like family issues, deaths mid life crisiss, etc... and not having a drug abuse problem. If drugs were legal they would have easy access to drugs that will make them feel better but are likely harmful.

Those really are mental health/spiritual issues, however, and if a person wants to self-medicate with drugs they're going to do so regardless of legality. It also depends on the drug, too; there are many drugs that have potential for helping treat and manage mental illness without significant negative effects. Ideally, we should be working to legalize those drugs with potential benefits and limited harm to users and redirecting resources towards eradicating and controlling those without those benefits.

[Kraylandia]

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

Snowboarding does not necessarily entail breaking one's leg, but is an accident that happens when a mistake in the procedure is made or certain circumstances may cause. Getting someone addicted is the intended result in giving them drugs.

Basically this.

[Gim]

I don't see why not. Tax them and use the money for rehab programs.

Overall health of people might decrease, as a result of taking drugs, but the choice is basically up to them.

[Pope Joan]

A friend of mine killed herself while at a college party; she was on LSD. We were out in a stone quarry several miles outside of town; she said she was a bird; she jumped off a cliff.

Not harmless.

[Jordkloden]

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

It's not the same. When you shoot up, it's pretty obvious you're going to get addicted. When you go snowboarding, you don't necessarily break your leg every time.

[Daburuetchi]

The fact that legalization brings down drug use...

The example you provided was for pot, a soft drug. How can you expect drugs that physically force you to take more to act the same as pot?

That is freedom. That's bodily fucking sovereignty. It's owning yourself and your life.

You may as well be a capitalist then. After all doesn't the worker have the freedom no to sell their labor and die of starvation? Doesn't the rape victim have the freedom to left him/her get killed? I don't think you understand the fact that drugs force you to do things you don't want.

They kill thousands more than either of those drugs.

Because they are addictive. Not at the same level as hard drugs. Imagine what hard drugs would do if something as innocuous as alcohol kills so many people.

[The Alexanderians]

And, likewise, many sold themselves into indentured servitude, it doesn't meant they were still free when they were indentured servants.

Not every drug user becomes addicted. I know plenty of people who use oxy, meth, blow, and the like, recreationally and only every once in a while.

People have survived getting shot in the head before, one example a personal one I might add, does not prove or disprove anything. Show us rates of addiction please.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Snowboarding does not necessarily entail breaking one's leg, but is an accident that happens when a mistake in the procedure is made or certain circumstances may cause. Getting someone addicted is the intended result in giving them drugs.

Basically this.

Except that's bullshit.

[United Marxist Nations]

Snowboarding does not necessarily entail breaking one's leg, but is an accident that happens when a mistake in the procedure is made or certain circumstances may cause. Getting someone addicted is the intended result in giving them drugs.

Bullshit. People use drugs to have fun and feel good, not to get addicted.

And they do so aware that those who are giving them the drugs intend to get them addicted.

And, likewise, many sold themselves into indentured servitude, it doesn't meant they were still free when they were indentured servants.

Not every drug user becomes addicted. I know plenty of people who use oxy, meth, blow, and the like, recreationally and only every once in a while.

I would say you are just not noticing the symptoms of their addiction. Like a friend of mine who refuses to believe that he got himself addicted to cocaine, but every-time I speak to him he is talking about how much he needs to do coke. Hopefully he will be able to refuse it.

[Zurkerx]

I don't see why not. Tax them and use the money for rehab programs.

Overall health of people might decrease, as a result of taking drugs, but the choice is basically up to them.

Basically though that money would go to education too. But yes, it is there choice.

[Greater Allidron]

Drugs are a vile disgusting form of recreation. I believe we should ban all drugs, hard liquor and cigarettes.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The example you provided was for pot, a soft drug. How can you expect drugs that physically force you to take more to act the same as pot?

...no it wasn't? It was for heroin and hard drugs.

You may as well be a capitalist then. After all doesn't the worker have the freedom no to sell their labor and die of starvation? Doesn't the rape victim have the freedom to left him/her get killed? I don't think you understand the fact that drugs force you to do thinks you don't want.

Which is why rehab should be available. Drug users are aware when they are addicted and can realize when they compulsively begin doing things.

Because they are addictive. Not at the same level as hard drugs. Imagine what hard drugs would do if something as innocuous as alcohol kills so many people.

Use of them would go down, obviously.

[Kraylandia]

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

Callous beyond measure. You're often under social pressure to do drugs and making them mainstream will make millions of dumb teenagers hooked. You want impoverished people to be come more impoverished in order to stop spending all their money on Coke? You're just perpetuating the cycle of poverty

I don't advocate the legalisation of hard drugs, it was just an example used in that post to get my point across regarding the rehab part. My opinion is similar to yours. I'm not a callous bastard, I swear.

[Gim]

Overall health of people might decrease, as a result of taking drugs, but the choice is basically up to them.

Basically though that money would go to education too. But yes, it is there choice.

Well, there is always a trade-off. Either boost overall human health or boost education funding. However, personally, I would not like to be exposed to second-hand marijuana or other type of drug.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And they do so aware that those who are giving them the drugs intend to get them addicted.

Bullshit? That is not always the case, at all.

[Palmyrion]

Only for medical purposes will I allow it.

[United Marxist Nations]

And they do so aware that those who are giving them the drugs intend to get them addicted.

Bullshit? That is not always the case, at all.

If it is a dealer, it is. If it is a friend, then it is because the friend is foolish.

*hard drugs I am referring to here.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

It's not the same. When you shoot up, it's pretty obvious you're going to get addicted. When you go snowboarding, you don't necessarily break your leg every time.

You don't have to shoot up any drug.

Not everyone who uses gets addicted.

[Jordkloden]

And they do so aware that those who are giving them the drugs intend to get them addicted.

Bullshit? That is not always the case, at all.

But, if it's through a dealer isn't the general point to get them hooked, so they've got another constant buyer which results in more income?

[Kraylandia]

Drugs are a vile disgusting form of recreation. I believe we should ban all drugs, hard liquor and cigarettes.

I'm sipping on some whiskey and smoking a cigarette while reading your post funnily enough. Except tobacco and alcohol isn't as addictive as hard drugs, such as heroin for example.

[Gim]

Only for medical purposes will I allow it.

I'm not sure how drugs can be more effective and less-conducive to drastic side effects than regular medical procedures.

[Jordkloden]

It's not the same. When you shoot up, it's pretty obvious you're going to get addicted. When you go snowboarding, you don't necessarily break your leg every time.

You don't have to shoot up any drug.

Not everyone who uses gets addicted.

But the majority does. Does it not? For softer drugs like weed, maybe not, but for heroin?

[Daburuetchi]

The example you provided was for pot, a soft drug. How can you expect drugs that physically force you to take more to act the same as pot?

...no it wasn't? It was for heroin and hard drugs.

You may as well be a capitalist then. After all doesn't the worker have the freedom no to sell their labor and die of starvation? Doesn't the rape victim have the freedom to left him/her get killed? I don't think you understand the fact that drugs force you to do thinks you don't want.

Which is why rehab should be available. Drug users are aware when they are addicted and can realize when they compulsively begin doing things.

Because they are addictive. Not at the same level as hard drugs. Imagine what hard drugs would do if something as innocuous as alcohol kills so many people.

Use of them would go down, obviously.

Decriminalization of small amounts is not the same as allowing them to be sold on every street corner. How the fuck are addicted people going to afford rehab if they spend all their money on drugs? Even if say the US had national healthcare you're waiting billions of dollars and it's very hard to successfully complete rehab.

Again China drugs sold freely millions of people in poverty until Mao

[Kraylandia]

You don't have to shoot up any drug.

Not everyone who uses gets addicted.

But the majority does. Does it not? For softer drugs like weed, maybe not, but for heroin?

You can smoke heroin.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Drugs are a vile disgusting form of recreation. I believe we should ban all drugs, hard liquor and cigarettes.

I'm sipping on some whiskey and smoking a cigarette while reading your post funnily enough. Except tobacco and alcohol isn't as addictive as hard drugs, such as heroin for example.

Nicotine is about as addictive as cocaine, bud. Alcohol is more addictive than amphetamines.