Legalize it All?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Drugs can hurt and they can help. It's not guaranteed either way. The fact that they can be used as a method of exploitation and engender capitalist profits has nothing to do with the fact that outlawing them goes against the basic concepts of bodily sovereignty and freedom itself. Hard drugs can and do hurt thousands of people per year, but not even close to the scale that alcohol, tobacco, and cars do; shall we ban them as well?

Your argument is bullshit and the fact there was a war over drugs is meaningless. There have been wars over useless land, oil, religion, and a man's ear. Let's ban fucking ears.

His point wasn't that they hurt them, it's that the addiction of many of these substances is literally forcing people to do them against their will.

They chose to do them in the first place.

If they want to get off of them, there should be rehab provided for them.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I was under the impression political nicknaming was against the rules.

I thought that's for stuff like Millipede or Billary?

Is "commie" no longer a pejorative political nickname?

[Kraylandia]

His point wasn't that they hurt them, it's that the addiction of many of these substances is literally forcing people to do them against their will.

They chose to do them in the first place.

If they want to get off of them, there should be rehab provided for them.

No, they should be made to pay for the rehab. It was their decision to get on them in the first place, right?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

They chose to do them in the first place.

If they want to get off of them, there should be rehab provided for them.

No, they should be made to pay for the rehab. It was their decision to get on them in the first place, right?

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

[Unnamed island state]

I thought that's for stuff like Millipede or Billary?

Is "commie" no longer a pejorative political nickname?

Let's see.

[Daburuetchi]

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

Drugs can hurt and they can help. It's not guaranteed either way. The fact that they can be used as a method of exploitation and engender capitalist profits has nothing to do with the fact that outlawing them goes against the basic concepts of bodily sovereignty and freedom itself. Hard drugs can and do hurt thousands of people per year, but not even close to the scale that alcohol, tobacco, and cars do; shall we ban them as well?

Your argument is bullshit and the fact there was a war over drugs is meaningless. There have been wars over useless land, oil, religion, and a man's ear. Let's ban fucking ears.

You're shitting me. China's rich internal markets were plundered by opium that sapped the wealth of the people and left millions is destitute poverty. How the hell is the large scale legalization of drugs not going to result in exploitation when they are designed to hook customers and keep them coming back? What kinda of bullshit freedom is the freedom to become slave through the needle and ruin your life? Alcohol and tobacco don't rot your fucking skin off your flesh like krokodil or kill your brain cells like meth. This is metaphysical bullshit which will result in the worst market failure in history

[Olthar]

History has shown us how horribly wrong and stupid prohibition is when America criminalized alcohol. I find it utterly bizarre and bereft of logic that so many continue to support such actions. Were the countless deaths those years caused not enough?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

For what limited time we dwell in this physical world I see nothing wrong with an all out legalization. I mean trying to stop people from hurting themselves is doing wonders for the UK. I mean just look at how they treat the family members of those wanting to legally die in their own home, and on their own terms? They punish them for traveling with that family member to Switzerland or the U.S (Oregon mostly) so they can be with their family member when they choose to die.

[United Marxist Nations]

No, they should be made to pay for the rehab. It was their decision to get on them in the first place, right?

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

In this case, though, it is actually their choice to do it originally, so why should the state have to pay for it?

[Kraylandia]

No, they should be made to pay for the rehab. It was their decision to get on them in the first place, right?

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

[The Alexanderians]

Is "commie" no longer a pejorative political nickname?

Let's see.

Fundie, lib, dem, rep, and others still get thrown around. Is commie different?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You're shitting me. China's rich internal markets were plundered by opium that sapped the wealth of the people and left millions is destitute poverty. How the hell is the large scale legalization of drugs not going to result exploitation when they are designed to hook customers and keep them coming back?

The fact that legalization brings down drug use...

What kinda of bullshit freedom is the freedom to become slave through the needle and ruin your life?

That is freedom. That's bodily fucking sovereignty. It's owning yourself and your life.

Alcohol and tobacco don't rot your fucking skin off your flesh like krokodil or kill your brain cells like meth. This is metaphysical bullshit which will result in the worst market failure in history

They kill thousands more than either of those drugs.

The only reason krokodil exists is because heroin's so hard to get in Russia. There's a reason we don't have any in the US.

[Unnamed island state]

Let's see.

Fundie, lib, dem, rep, and others still get thrown around. Is commie different?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=361435

[Zurkerx]

I don't see why not. Tax them and use the money for rehab programs.

[Daburuetchi]

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

Callous beyond measure. You're often under social pressure to do drugs and making them mainstream will make millions of dumb teenagers hooked. You want impoverished people to be come more impoverished in order to stop spending all their money on Coke? You're just perpetuating the cycle of poverty

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't think medical care should be distributed based on wealth.

In this case, though, it is actually their choice to do it originally, so why should the state have to pay for it?

See above post.

[The House of Petain]

A stable democracy that elects commies.

I don't know.

I was under the impression political nicknaming was against the rules.

Political nicknaming is against the rules now? if It's true, oh NSG why?

[United Marxist Nations]

You're shitting me. China's rich internal markets were plundered by opium that sapped the wealth of the people and left millions is destitute poverty. How the hell is the large scale legalization of drugs not going to result exploitation when they are designed to hook customers and keep them coming back?

The fact that legalization brings down drug use...

What kinda of bullshit freedom is the freedom to become slave through the needle and ruin your life?

That is freedom. That's bodily fucking sovereignty. It's owning yourself and your life.

Alcohol and tobacco don't rot your fucking skin off your flesh like krokodil or kill your brain cells like meth. This is metaphysical bullshit which will result in the worst market failure in history

They kill thousands more than either of those drugs.

The only reason krokodil exists is because heroin's so hard to get in Russia. There's a reason we don't have any in the US.

And, likewise, many sold themselves into indentured servitude, it doesn't meant they were still free when they were indentured servants.

[Unnamed island state]

No.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=361435&p=26756073#p26756073

Now we can confirm that "commies" isn't political nicknaming.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=361435&p=26756073#p26756073

Now we can confirm that "commies" isn't political nicknaming.

All right then.

[The Alexanderians]

Fundie, lib, dem, rep, and others still get thrown around. Is commie different?

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=361435

Yeah thought so

[United Marxist Nations]

I believe in a national health service, but rehab should be separate. Legalise all your hard drugs if you wish, but if you fuck up through a choice that you made, then you should pay for it.

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

Snowboarding does not necessarily entail breaking one's leg, but is an accident that happens when a mistake in the procedure is made or certain circumstances may cause. Getting someone addicted is the intended result in giving them drugs.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And, likewise, many sold themselves into indentured servitude, it doesn't meant they were still free when they were indentured servants.

Not every drug user becomes addicted. I know plenty of people who use oxy, meth, blow, and the like, recreationally and only every once in a while.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So, if someone chooses to go snowboarding, and breaks their leg, they don't get healthcare either, since it was their choice?

What if someone crosses the street and gets hit by a car? Was their choice to cross that street, after all.

Snowboarding does not necessarily entail breaking one's leg, but is an accident that happens when a mistake in the procedure is made or certain circumstances may cause. Getting someone addicted is the intended result in giving them drugs.

Bullshit. People use drugs to have fun and feel good, not to get addicted.