Legalize it All?

[Hakons]

Because we need more legal products that people can use to forget their problems instead of solving them?

Because keeping them illegal has solved so many of the world's problems.

Personally, my opinion is that drugs should be legalized on a case-by-case basis taking into consideration the relative harm. Not to mention the simple fact that it is easier than ever to produce and distribute them and will only get easier as technological developments remove barriers to entry.

Not global problems, but personal problems. A lot of people resort to getting drunk from alcohol so they can feel happy. Legalizing drugs would provide another outlet for people to hide their problems.

[Mike from Progressive]

No. Portugal is a failed state.

[Geilinor]

No. Portugal is a failed state.

No it isn't. Portugal's economy is beginning to recover and it's a stable democracy.

[Unnamed island state]

No. Portugal is a failed state.

No it isn't. Portugal's economy is beginning to recover and it's a stable democracy.

A stable democracy that elects commies.

I don't know.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Are you under the impression they aren't already doing that? That the cops snatch up anyone as soon as they buy a bag?

And exactly why shouldn't they be free..? They aren't hurting anyone.

Umm slavery through the needle? That does in fact hurt people and ruin their lives.

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

[Unnamed island state]

Umm slavery through the needle? That does in fact hurt people and ruin their lives.

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

So are you against taxes to?

[Vetalia]

Not global problems, but personal problems. A lot of people resort to getting drunk from alcohol so they can feel happy. Legalizing drugs would provide another outlet for people to hide their problems.

If they're having personal problems, making drugs illegal isn't going to solve them; if anything it will make it that much harder to obtain help for any problems they have by virtue of making their situation even more stigmatized and hopeless. Or worse, branding them with a criminal record that will punish them quite possibly for the rest of their lives.

[Mike from Progressive]

No. Portugal is a failed state.

No it isn't. Portugal's economy is beginning to recover and it's a stable democracy.

woohoo

As for their economy, give it some time before its slumping again.

edit: Also 0% growth isn't exactly recovery. And it may very well dip again in the 4th quarter. Lets wait to see if it's getting better.

[Daburuetchi]

Umm slavery through the needle? That does in fact hurt people and ruin their lives.

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

[The Alexanderians]

No it isn't. Portugal's economy is beginning to recover and it's a stable democracy.

woohoo

As for their economy, give it some time before its slumping again.

I'd blame that more on the problems plaguing the EU as a whole.

[Kraylandia]

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

But I assume decriminalising it/legalising it would mean the government or licensed companies would sell it? So it wouldn't be the drug dealers doing it? I'm not Pruss, so I don't know his opinion but that's what I assume he means..

[Constantinopolis]

I've never met anyone whose life has been improved by drugs. But I have met quite a few people whose lives have been ruined by them. So, no.

[United Marxist Nations]

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

Damn, son, you just rekt him.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No it isn't. Portugal's economy is beginning to recover and it's a stable democracy.

A stable democracy that elects commies.

I don't know.

I was under the impression political nicknaming was against the rules.

[Daburuetchi]

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

But I assume decriminalising it/legalising it would mean the government or licensed companies would sell it? So it wouldn't be the drug dealers doing it? I'm not Pruss, so I don't know his opinion but that's what I assume he means..

Even worse. The government and corporations profiting off the slavery of millions? How could anyone condone this in the case of hard drugs?

[Kraylandia]

But I assume decriminalising it/legalising it would mean the government or licensed companies would sell it? So it wouldn't be the drug dealers doing it? I'm not Pruss, so I don't know his opinion but that's what I assume he means..

Even worse. The government and corporations profiting off the slavery of millions? How could anyone condone this in the case of hard drugs?

Well, I don't condone legalising hard drugs at all. But yeah I get what you're saying.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

People should have the right to put whatever they want into their body. Anything else is slavery.

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

Drugs can hurt and they can help. It's not guaranteed either way. The fact that they can be used as a method of exploitation and engender capitalist profits has nothing to do with the fact that outlawing them goes against the basic concepts of bodily sovereignty and freedom itself. Hard drugs can and do hurt thousands of people per year, but not even close to the scale that alcohol, tobacco, and cars do; shall we ban them as well?

Your argument is bullshit and the fact there was a war over drugs is meaningless. There have been wars over useless land, oil, religion, and a man's ear. Let's ban fucking ears.

[Hakons]

Not global problems, but personal problems. A lot of people resort to getting drunk from alcohol so they can feel happy. Legalizing drugs would provide another outlet for people to hide their problems.

If they're having personal problems, making drugs illegal isn't going to solve them; if anything it will make it that much harder to obtain help for any problems they have by virtue of making their situation even more stigmatized and hopeless. Or worse, branding them with a criminal record that will punish them quite possibly for the rest of their lives.

By personal problems I mean like family issues, deaths mid life crisiss, etc... and not having a drug abuse problem. If drugs were legal they would have easy access to drugs that will make them feel better but are likely harmful.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

Damn, son, you just rekt him.

You must have a different definition of "rekt" than I do. Usually it means someone out-argued another to a large degree.

[Unnamed island state]

A stable democracy that elects commies.

I don't know.

I was under the impression political nicknaming was against the rules.

I thought that's for stuff like Millipede or Billary?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Even worse. The government and corporations profiting off the slavery of millions? How could anyone condone this in the case of hard drugs?

This wouldn't be the case outside of the capitalist system.

While we're within it, the options are 1) the cartels profit, or 2) the government profits.

[United Marxist Nations]

Except they are under physical compulsion to do so in the case of hard drugs and are in a exploitative relationship with the drug dealer who doesn't give a shit if they are killing themselves or running their life. How you could support the material conditions that would give rise to such callous capitalist exploitation is beyond me. The opium wars in China should be enough of example to understand the terrible ills hard drugs engender on a large scale

Drugs can hurt and they can help. It's not guaranteed either way. The fact that they can be used as a method of exploitation and engender capitalist profits has nothing to do with the fact that outlawing them goes against the basic concepts of bodily sovereignty and freedom itself. Hard drugs can and do hurt thousands of people per year, but not even close to the scale that alcohol, tobacco, and cars do; shall we ban them as well?

Your argument is bullshit and the fact there was a war over drugs is meaningless. There have been wars over useless land, oil, religion, and a man's ear. Let's ban fucking ears.

His point wasn't that they hurt them, it's that the addiction of many of these substances is literally forcing people to do them against their will.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I've never met anyone whose life has been improved by drugs. But I have met quite a few people whose lives have been ruined by them. So, no.

I've met numerous people whose lives have been improved by psychedelics. And I can actually source that.

But I've never met a single person whose life was improved by alcohol or tobacco. Should we ban those?

[Kraylandia]

Even worse. The government and corporations profiting off the slavery of millions? How could anyone condone this in the case of hard drugs?

This wouldn't be the case outside of the capitalist system.

While we're within it, the options are 1) the cartels profit, or 2) the government profits.

And obviously most people would rather the government profits. Well, sane people at least.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even worse. The government and corporations profiting off the slavery of millions? How could anyone condone this in the case of hard drugs?

This wouldn't be the case outside of the capitalist system.

While we're within it, the options are 1) the cartels profit, or 2) the government profits.

Or both