Are Catholics christians?

[Modern Skaaneland]

Are you saying that sects cannot be Christian?

certainly not.

I'm saying that its odd to not think of catholics when thinking of Christians since they are by far the most common Christians on earth.

of course we all tend to think of our own church as the proper representation of Christianity so theres that.

Well, then I do understand what you meant but catholics were never a thing while I grew up. I didn't have much Christianity at all to be honest and I'm glad for it. Also I think I would've rebelled even harder against it if that was the case. Now I can at least feel sympathy for protestant people who's had to deal with catholicism firsthand.

[Valystria]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/christian

Relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/christianity#Christianity__2

The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices:

Catholicism by definition falls under the above.

[Meryuma]

Yes, very much so.

Is the Pope Catholic?

The answer is yes.. unless somebody played a very long and complicated prank on the entire church hierarchy.

You have those banshees at Metapedia screeching about Pope Francis being a sham pope or some shit, and also something called sede vacante. Then again I'm not browsing that site again, so I might be wrong in recalling here.

Don't insult banshees like that.

[The Rich Port]

Your friend's annoyingly ignorant.

Especially considering the whole reason Protestants even exist is that they're splinter groups that disagreed with Catholic beliefs and policies.

Without the Catholic Church, Protestantism wouldn't even exist.

Why the fuck don't people read history books anymore.

[Mike the Progressive]

Catholics are actually the Christians. Anglicans are lead by the whore of Babylon, Queen Elizabeth; Orthodoxes fail to recognize the supremacy of the Holy Father; Lutherans revere an anti-semitic, horny monk who just wanted to bang; the Methodist's methods are all wrong; and the Baptists baptize too much.

Mormons are pagans, so naturally they don't count.

[Camelza]

Catholics are actually the Christians. Anglicans are lead by the whore of Babylon, Queen Elizabeth; Orthodoxes fail to recognize the supremacy of the Holy Father; Lutherans revere an anti-semitic, horny monk who just wanted to bang; the Methodist's methods are all wrong; and the Baptists baptize too much.

Mormons are pagans, so naturally they don't count.

Your holiness?
I wasn't aware you mingled with the wretched in this foul site, how noble of you.

[The Rich Port]

Catholics are actually the Christians. Anglicans are lead by the whore of Babylon, Queen Elizabeth; Orthodoxes fail to recognize the supremacy of the Holy Father; Lutherans revere an anti-semitic, horny monk who just wanted to bang; the Methodist's methods are all wrong; and the Baptists baptize too much.

Mormons are pagans, so naturally they don't count.

... Danny Trejo? Is that you?

[Mike the Progressive]

Catholics are actually the Christians. Anglicans are lead by the whore of Babylon, Queen Elizabeth; Orthodoxes fail to recognize the supremacy of the Holy Father; Lutherans revere an anti-semitic, horny monk who just wanted to bang; the Methodist's methods are all wrong; and the Baptists baptize too much.

Mormons are pagans, so naturally they don't count.

... Danny Trejo? Is that you?

Is that suppose to be an insult or...?

[The Rich Port]

... Danny Trejo? Is that you?

Is that suppose to be an insult or...?

Well, no, duh.

... Danny Trejo's awesome, what are you talking about, how could you even think that anyway?

[Pulau Singapura]

Is that suppose to be an insult or...?

Well, no, duh.

... Danny Trejo's awesome, what are you talking about, how could you even think that anyway?

Cause nobody knows him?

[The Rich Port]

Well, no, duh.

... Danny Trejo's awesome, what are you talking about, how could you even think that anyway?

Cause nobody knows him?

... How could you even say such a thing to me.

My father was Danny Trejo.

[New confederate ramenia]

I think OP's friend might have been right in a way. When people in America are asked their religion, generally Protestants will generally say "Christian," while Catholics will say "Catholics." In America at least, Catholics might not really be Christians.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I think OP's friend might have been right in a way. When people in America are asked their religion, generally Protestants will generally say "Christian," while Catholics will say "Catholics." In America at least, Catholics might not really be Christians.

Except that's wrong. They're Christian even in America.

In Japan, the reverse is true.

[Modern Skaaneland]

I think OP's friend might have been right in a way. When people in America are asked their religion, generally Protestants will generally say "Christian," while Catholics will say "Catholics." In America at least, Catholics might not really be Christians.

Except that's wrong. They're Christian even in America.

In Japan, the reverse is true.

I didn't understand that last part. What do you mean by reversed? Catholics visiting Japan become Satanists or what?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Except that's wrong. They're Christian even in America.

In Japan, the reverse is true.

I didn't understand that last part. What do you mean by reversed? Catholics visiting Japan become Satanists or what?

All Christians are Catholic in Japan

[Modern Skaaneland]

I doubt that...

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I doubt that...

I do too. It's a reference to TV Tropes.

[Modern Skaaneland]

OK, I guess I'm not in my water here and I don't understand references. I can take that. I do wonder what happened to all the things I used to know though, in contexts where I should feel at home.

[Grave_n_idle]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/christian

Relating to or professing Christianity or its teachings:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/christianity#Christianity__2

The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices:

Catholicism by definition falls under the above.

Not really. Catholics have a set of teachings they place above the person and teachings of Jesus Christ.

It could be argued that Catholics aren't really 'Christians' because they follow men, rather than 'Christ'.

[The Rich Port]

Catholicism by definition falls under the above.

Not really. Catholics have a set of teachings they place above the person and teachings of Jesus Christ.

It could be argued that Catholics aren't really 'Christians' because they follow men, rather than 'Christ'.

Suuuuuuuure.

But then you forget that Christ appointed a certain Pedro (this one I guess) to continue his teachings and be his continuing influence on the Earth and literally handed him the keys to his "rock" of influence, the mythical "Church", which all Christians I'm sure claim lineage to but nobody can really prove it because the religious are really shit with records and keeping their stories straight and a lot of other things that bring doubt to religion in general not just one specific religion especially not Protestants because they kinda lost sightof what it meant to be a "Christian" so long as it meant getting out from under the influence of that shitty rock Christ set up that became super corrupt and Orwellian and then everybody else copied them because God forbid that anybody ask questions about the validity of-

ACH MY SCHLICKING HAND

[Grave_n_idle]

Not really. Catholics have a set of teachings they place above the person and teachings of Jesus Christ.

It could be argued that Catholics aren't really 'Christians' because they follow men, rather than 'Christ'.

Suuuuuuuure.

But then you forget that Christ appointed a certain Pedro (this one I guess) to continue his teachings and be his continuing influence on the Earth and literally handed him the keys to his "rock" of influence, the mythical "Church", which all Christians I'm sure claim lineage to but nobody can really prove it because the religious are really shit with records and keeping their stories straight and a lot of other things that bring doubt to religion in general not just one specific religion especially not Protestants because they kinda lost sightof what it meant to be a "Christian" so long as it meant getting out from under the influence of that shitty rock Christ set up that became super corrupt and Orwellian and then everybody else copied them because God forbid that anybody ask questions about the validity of-

ACH MY SCHLICKING HAND

I don't forget about Pedro, but no special power was given to Pedro that wasn't given to anyone else - in the same book - and that same person was also roundly condemned by Christ as being his antithesis, so I don't attach too much significance to him.

But if we're going to actually have an argument about whether or not some groups are 'Christian' (my own suspicion is that it's pretty much impossible to be Christian AND 'a group'), then a group that chooses to replace the 'recorded' words of Christ with their own rules and narrative is less consistent with the name than other denominations constantly accused of not being Christian (Like Witnesses or Mormons).

[Murray land]

Part I of my 2-thread series on Catholicism. You're welcome to post on the second part. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 0&t=361711
As a good, devout Catholic myself, I'd say yes. But let's get to the story.

I was talking to my friend, who is a Protestant. We were just chatting, and then she said, "Catholics aren't even Christian, amirite?"

I was taken aback, offended. I didn't show it, and I just forgot about it. Then I searched it up, and the internet is certainly divided. So this is what I pose to NSG: Are Catholics Christians? I have a definite yes, but I just want to see other people's opinions.

P.S. You could even divvy it up further, discussing if the Eastern rites are part of Catholicism. But let's stick to the topic at hand.

Links to the topic: http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-do-some-protestant-denominations-not-consider-catholics-to-be-christians-and-how-
http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Christian.html
An opposer's side: http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

I'm not trying to be a dick but that doesn't even sound like a serious question. That's like asking if Japan is in Asia.

[The Rich Port]

Suuuuuuuure.

But then you forget that Christ appointed a certain Pedro (this one I guess) to continue his teachings and be his continuing influence on the Earth and literally handed him the keys to his "rock" of influence, the mythical "Church", which all Christians I'm sure claim lineage to but nobody can really prove it because the religious are really shit with records and keeping their stories straight and a lot of other things that bring doubt to religion in general not just one specific religion especially not Protestants because they kinda lost sightof what it meant to be a "Christian" so long as it meant getting out from under the influence of that shitty rock Christ set up that became super corrupt and Orwellian and then everybody else copied them because God forbid that anybody ask questions about the validity of-

ACH MY SCHLICKING HAND

I don't forget about Pedro, but no special power was given to Pedro that wasn't given to anyone else - in the same book - and that same person was also roundly condemned by Christ as being his antithesis, so I don't attach too much significance to him.

But if we're going to actually have an argument about whether or not some groups are 'Christian' (my own suspicion is that it's pretty much impossible to be Christian AND 'a group'), then a group that chooses to replace the 'recorded' words of Christ with their own rules and narrative is less consistent with the name than other denominations constantly accused of not being Christian (Like Witnesses or Mormons).

Well, you know what? This is the kind of shit of why I became a goddamn atheist.

Jesus don't make no fucking sense.

[Saiwania]

The Catholic church dates back to near the beginning of Christianity, so it would be the Protestants who split off from the church that wouldn't be considered as Christian by default. They simply didn't exist for as long.