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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:25 pm

Rejeistan wrote:Ugh.

This attitude expressed in the OP is really disheartening and shameful. Lack of public understanding of science and critical thinking is a major problem and the fact that science courses aren't mandatory all the way through high school (at least here in Ontario) is part of why.

Actually, in the US high-schools you have to pass at least 3 years of any science to pass.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:26 pm

New haven america wrote:
Rejeistan wrote:Ugh.

This attitude expressed in the OP is really disheartening and shameful. Lack of public understanding of science and critical thinking is a major problem and the fact that science courses aren't mandatory all the way through high school (at least here in Ontario) is part of why.

Actually, in the US high-schools you have to pass at least 3 years of any science to pass.

All states?

Even Alaska?
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:26 pm

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to play devil's advocate, exactly how does memorizing a list of women some king fucked a few hundred years ago help me?

It helps you because you understand how society has progressed, where it is currently, basically you get to understand society, something which you'll most likely have to deal with more often later in life, or at least more than you'll have to deal with organelles and golgi apparatuses.

Hey, you wanna know what helps change society? Science!
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:26 pm

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Unnamed island state wrote:If you're good at math you can easily switch into other good subjects like computer science, to philosophy. Everyone benefits from it.

Good at math =/= Good at Trig.

Trig is math but it's not as important as say, basic algebra. It's important to be able to work out various problems throughout your life (If I do x then how will that affect y, etc). But I'm not going to be laying by my front tire and trying to calculate how many radians my tires will spin if I go 10 kilometers. That's never going to happen. But I will potentially need to know how much I need of something, how much things will cost with added tax and other fees, how much to tip, how long it'll take to get somewhere...etc.

But you don't need an extra period to learn any of that. One period is just fine, it's worked for me as well as just about every person I've ever known. Never once did I hear anyone say we needed another period of math until now. If you need an extra period of something, you should reevaluate how good of a job the teacher's doing in actually teaching the material in a comprehensive way.

The class I'm currently taking is algebra mixed with trig (it's technically called algebra 2). Also our school adopted a system in which we have trig/algebra 2 one day, science the next, and then trig again. This is all in the name of making each class period longer, but it doesn't help when you're trying to memorize stuff.
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Postby NeuPolska » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:26 pm

Unnamed island state wrote:It helps you because you understand how society has progressed, where it is currently, basically you get to understand society, something which you'll most likely have to deal with more often later in life, or at least more than you'll have to deal with organelles and golgi apparatuses.

Now I like history, but you're dealing with millions of organelles and golgi apparatuses right now :p

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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:27 pm

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New haven america wrote:Actually, in the US high-schools you have to pass at least 3 years of any science to pass.

All states?

Even Alaska?

I never said "All" (Or what you stated as All), but in the schools I've been too, it's always been 3 years.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
Unnamed island state wrote:It helps you because you understand how society has progressed, where it is currently, basically you get to understand society, something which you'll most likely have to deal with more often later in life, or at least more than you'll have to deal with organelles and golgi apparatuses.

Hey, you wanna know what helps change society? Science!

Hey do you wanna know why people started to take up science again? Rationalism! (or if you wanna go further Protestantism)

Ideas beat material every time.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:28 pm

Pundertale wrote:You do realize that having a click bait title will draw biased negative attention, right?
People will be angry already when they reply to your post, not the best thing I can assure you.

Anyways, while I do agree that taking out PE is a bad move, you need to toughen up, and if you REALLY have that big of a problem about it, talk to your administrators, your teachers, and tell them what you think. If enough people agree with you, and your uppers are agreeable, then you'll probably get PE back, or some form of it.

I just wanna rant.
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Postby Gim » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:28 pm

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New haven america wrote:Hey, you wanna know what helps change society? Science!

Hey do you wanna know why people started to take up science? Rationalism!

Ideas beat material every time.


Exactly. That gets you jobs. :)
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Postby Confederation of Common Sense » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:29 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:Surprise, surprise: physics is a branch of science.

Surprise, surprise: I'm referring to all the crap that's pre physics.
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the entire point is to give you some general information about the world like how it was formed and stuff and see if you are interested or particularly good at any of them.

also the idea that everything should be based on GDP growth and that's it is completely ridiclous, sorry

Ok, why not have an extra period of history then? I'd advocate that and it isn't related to gdp.

Here in New York, if you're dumb and don't pay attention to world history outside of school, you'd only learn about "the troubles" because our Irish population got angry about St Patrick's Day not becoming a state holiday.


That has nothing to do with The Troubles. The Troubles were a series of negotiations to attempt to convince the Irish Republican Army to stop committing terrorist attacks.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:30 pm

New haven america wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:All states?

Even Alaska?

I never said "All" (Or what you stated as All), but in the schools I've been too, it's always been 3 years.

OK, then. Just wanted to clarify. It's three years in California, but I'm not sure about other states.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:31 pm

Confederation of Common Sense wrote:
Unnamed island state wrote:Surprise, surprise: I'm referring to all the crap that's pre physics.

Ok, why not have an extra period of history then? I'd advocate that and it isn't related to gdp.

Here in New York, if you're dumb and don't pay attention to world history outside of school, you'd only learn about "the troubles" because our Irish population got angry about St Patrick's Day not becoming a state holiday.


That has nothing to do with The Troubles. The Troubles were a series of negotiations to attempt to convince the Irish Republican Army to stop committing terrorist attacks.

Also used to refer to a significant period of history. But I'm not hear to argue about that.
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Postby Alyakia » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:31 pm

Confederation of Common Sense wrote:
Unnamed island state wrote:Surprise, surprise: I'm referring to all the crap that's pre physics.

Ok, why not have an extra period of history then? I'd advocate that and it isn't related to gdp.

Here in New York, if you're dumb and don't pay attention to world history outside of school, you'd only learn about "the troubles" because our Irish population got angry about St Patrick's Day not becoming a state holiday.


That has nothing to do with The Troubles. The Troubles were a series of negotiations to attempt to convince the Irish Republican Army to stop committing terrorist attacks.


the troubles was... a lot more complicated than that.
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Postby Pundertale » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:33 pm

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Pundertale wrote:You do realize that having a click bait title will draw biased negative attention, right?
People will be angry already when they reply to your post, not the best thing I can assure you.

Anyways, while I do agree that taking out PE is a bad move, you need to toughen up, and if you REALLY have that big of a problem about it, talk to your administrators, your teachers, and tell them what you think. If enough people agree with you, and your uppers are agreeable, then you'll probably get PE back, or some form of it.

I just wanna rant.



And I just want to help, deal?

Like I said, if this turns into a problem for you, try and fix it.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:33 pm

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New haven america wrote:I never said "All" (Or what you stated as All), but in the schools I've been too, it's always been 3 years.

OK, then. Just wanted to clarify. It's three years in California, but I'm not sure about other states.

It's 3 years in the other states.
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Postby -Greater Britannia- » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:33 pm

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New haven america wrote:I never said "All" (Or what you stated as All), but in the schools I've been too, it's always been 3 years.

OK, then. Just wanted to clarify. It's three years in California, but I'm not sure about other states.

3 here in Kansas but you can take a 4th one if you so desire during senior year.

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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:35 pm

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Unnamed island state wrote:I just wanna rant.



And I just want to help, deal?

Like I said, if this turns into a problem for you, try and fix it.

Sure. But many students sent letter to the state government when they cut public school funding, and to no avail. And I'd probably be the only one doing it as everyone likes having an easy bullshit class where they occasionally get to drop substances in water and watch the color change, because it's easy. So for me, it's easier to rant.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:35 pm

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Pundertale wrote:You do realize that having a click bait title will draw biased negative attention, right?
People will be angry already when they reply to your post, not the best thing I can assure you.

Anyways, while I do agree that taking out PE is a bad move, you need to toughen up, and if you REALLY have that big of a problem about it, talk to your administrators, your teachers, and tell them what you think. If enough people agree with you, and your uppers are agreeable, then you'll probably get PE back, or some form of it.

I just wanna rant.

Don't you mean complain about something rather trivial.

Yeah, you don't always get what you want to do. Guess what? That's life, deal with it.
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Unnamed island state wrote:I just wanna rant.

Don't you mean complain about something rather trivial.

Yeah, you don't always get what you want to do. Guess what? That's life, deal with it.

Ranting is a way of dealing with things.
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Postby Days of Rodeo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:37 pm

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And I just want to help, deal?

Like I said, if this turns into a problem for you, try and fix it.

Sure. But many students sent letter to the state government when they cut public school funding, and to no avail. And I'd probably be the only one doing it as everyone likes having an easy bullshit class where they occasionally get to drop substances in water and watch the color change, because it's easy. So for me, it's easier to rant.

Or they might.. you know... want to take the class because they plan on having careers in the sciences. Crazy, I know.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:37 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:Scientia potentia est.

I'm sure everyone benefits from me trying to remember what a golgi body is.

Funny you bring up cell structure... because you know what our society gets from people who understand cell structure? Modern medicine, that's what.

You may not like this stuff, and maybe it's not for you, but the kind of knowledge you're talking about here forms the basic building blocks of medicine. And if there's one thing we always need more of, it's doctors and medical researchers.

The more high school students get exposed to this topic, the more will become fascinated by it, and go on to study medicine. And, perhaps, someone studying golgi bodies in high school right now will one day go on to find a cure for cancer, or a way to stop aging.

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Postby Gim » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:38 pm

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Unnamed island state wrote:I'm sure everyone benefits from me trying to remember what a golgi body is.

Funny you bring up cell structure... because you know what our society gets from people who understand cell structure? Modern medicine, that's what.

You may not like this stuff, and maybe it's not for you, but the kind of knowledge you're talking about here forms the basic building blocks of medicine. And if there's one thing we always need more of, it's doctors and medical researchers.

The more high school students get exposed to this topic, the more will become fascinated by it, and go on to study medicine. And, perhaps, someone studying golgi bodies in high school right now will one day go on to find a cure for cancer, or a way to stop aging.

Scientia potentia est, indeed. Knowledge makes Humanity strong.


Not to mention Microbiologists and Anatomists. :p
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:39 pm

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And I just want to help, deal?

Like I said, if this turns into a problem for you, try and fix it.

Sure. But many students sent letter to the state government when they cut public school funding, and to no avail. And I'd probably be the only one doing it as everyone likes having an easy bullshit class where they occasionally get to drop substances in water and watch the color change, because it's easy. So for me, it's easier to rant.

Actually, chem. requires a lot more than you think.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:40 pm

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Unnamed island state wrote:I'm sure everyone benefits from me trying to remember what a golgi body is.

Funny you bring up cell structure... because you know what our society gets from people who understand cell structure? Modern medicine, that's what.

You may not like this stuff, and maybe it's not for you, but the kind of knowledge you're talking about here forms the basic building blocks of medicine. And if there's one thing we always need more of, it's doctors and medical researchers.

The more high school students get exposed to this topic, the more will become fascinated by it, and go on to study medicine. And, perhaps, someone studying golgi bodies in high school right now will one day go on to find a cure for cancer, or a way to stop aging.

Scientia potentia est, indeed. Knowledge makes Humanity strong.

Okay, so the people interested in it get to learn it, and either way the people who are interested will be better prepared to learn it further once they practice maths.
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Postby Gim » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Unnamed island state wrote:Sure. But many students sent letter to the state government when they cut public school funding, and to no avail. And I'd probably be the only one doing it as everyone likes having an easy bullshit class where they occasionally get to drop substances in water and watch the color change, because it's easy. So for me, it's easier to rant.

Actually, chem. requires a lot more than you think.


I think he's just saying this within the scope of high school chemistry, which is just the iceberg tip of the entire field.
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