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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:07 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Fenexia and holochrome wrote:
I'm honestly surprised no ones realized he's quoting PC Principal from south park.


Which just goes to show how much people actually bother to watch South Park.

At least, how many people who also post on NSG.
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Postby Hugdom » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:49 pm

Fenexia and holochrome wrote:
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Lol, what next. Alice Walton is a goddess?

Vehicular manslaughter =/= "Inspiration and a rolemodel"

Being an inauthentic reckless brat and spending a few million dollars to change your gender doesn't make you an inspiration. Being born transgender doesn't make you a good person. It's a neutral point that no one should pay attention to. That's not to say I'm ignorant of the problems they face, they shouldn't have to face those problems. But they shouldn't receive praise for merely existing. Existing is hard for everyone, if you want to give some arbitrary award based off of morals, hard work, and achievement give it to someone because they deserve it. Because giving it out to someone solely because of their celebrity status due to a minority status is bullshit. If anything, it makes transgender people feel worse. No one should want to be put on a pedestal because of their birth circumstances, they just want to be treated like regular people, because they ARE regular people. Caitlyn Jenner gives the wrong impression of transgender rights and makes it all meaningless.


I'm honestly surprised no ones realized he's quoting PC Principal from south park.


I don't know what that is, but if you can find me quoting him I'd be rather surprised. Or maybe, just maybee having the same overarching idea as someone else doesn't necessarily mean you're copying them or quoting them?

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:02 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I heard that one of the Seals who helped bring down Bin Ladin came out as trans.

I find that person FAR more deserving of an award than a famous person part of a family of attention whores.


Why?

Why is being someone tangentially connected to a covert military strike more deserving of a civilian award than a celebrated Olympian?

Because the usual transphobe crowd is often the same as the crowd who's big on 'supporting the troops'.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:15 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:I can understand said reason. Caitlyn Jenner isn't even a good role model for the transgender community let alone worthy of this award.

I agree with this.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:16 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I heard that one of the Seals who helped bring down Bin Ladin came out as trans.

I find that person FAR more deserving of an award than a famous person part of a family of attention whores.


Why?

Why is being someone tangentially connected to a covert military strike more deserving of a civilian award than a celebrated Olympian?

A celebrated Olympian whole only came out once money could cushion her from the experiences most trans suffer through when coming out.
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:20 pm

greed and death wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why?

Why is being someone tangentially connected to a covert military strike more deserving of a civilian award than a celebrated Olympian?

A celebrated Olympian whole only came out once money could cushion her from the experiences most trans suffer through when coming out.

I can guarantee that no normal trans person would ever transition as fast as her. 4 months after coming out, legal recognition. Most trans people will take years, if at all. Easy access to treatment, no threat of losing everything she has, safety etc.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:22 pm

I can understand. I never saw Cait as a great role model, I think they really gave the award to show they would give it to transwoman
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:23 pm

Val Halla wrote:
greed and death wrote:A celebrated Olympian whole only came out once money could cushion her from the experiences most trans suffer through when coming out.

I can guarantee that no normal trans person would ever transition as fast as her. 4 months after coming out, legal recognition. Most trans people will take years, if at all. Easy access to treatment, no threat of losing everything she has, safety etc.


Like how Magic Johnson can order bulk boxes of medication while most HIV+ people linger on the edge of death waiting to see if they can even get a single pill without going bankrupt.

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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:24 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I can understand. I never saw Cait as a great role model, I think they really gave the award to show they would give it to transwoman


Yep the capitalist class is selling our gender identity right back at us. Everything be a commodity to them.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:26 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I can understand. I never saw Cait as a great role model, I think they really gave the award to show they would give it to transwoman


Yep the capitalist class is selling our gender identity right back at us. Everything be a commodity to them.

Just makes you feel warm and fuzzy don't it
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:28 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Val Halla wrote:I can guarantee that no normal trans person would ever transition as fast as her. 4 months after coming out, legal recognition. Most trans people will take years, if at all. Easy access to treatment, no threat of losing everything she has, safety etc.


Like how Magic Johnson can order bulk boxes of medication while most HIV+ people linger on the edge of death waiting to see if they can even get a single pill without going bankrupt.

Status comes with privileges.

Exactly. She's hardly heroic, she doesn't have the same experiences and difficulties of a regular trans person. I mean sure, she can still suffer from dysphoria but she has much, much better access to means to prevent it.
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Postby Denaliland » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:33 pm

Caitlyn Jenner got Woman of the Year, without getting a woman for a year!

I can only conclude that men make better women than woman in their eyes.
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Postby Fenexia and holochrome » Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:41 pm

Hugdom wrote:
Fenexia and holochrome wrote:
I'm honestly surprised no ones realized he's quoting PC Principal from south park.


I don't know what that is, but if you can find me quoting him I'd be rather surprised. Or maybe, just maybee having the same overarching idea as someone else doesn't necessarily mean you're copying them or quoting them?


except that's word for word what PC Principal said.

EDIT: not you, hugdom but the guy you replied to.
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Postby Othelos » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:25 pm

Denaliland wrote:Caitlyn Jenner got Woman of the Year, without getting a woman for a year!

I can only conclude that men make better women than woman in their eyes.

What? Caitlyn is a woman

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:14 am

greed and death wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Why?

Why is being someone tangentially connected to a covert military strike more deserving of a civilian award than a celebrated Olympian?

A celebrated Olympian whole only came out once money could cushion her from the experiences most trans suffer through when coming out.


Rich people just about always have just about everything easier than just about everyone else. This isn't news. Or a reason to single Caitlyn out for some special kind of hate.
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Postby The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact » Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:22 am

Othelos wrote:
Denaliland wrote:Caitlyn Jenner got Woman of the Year, without getting a woman for a year!

I can only conclude that men make better women than woman in their eyes.

What? Caitlyn is a woman

He probably means that Caitlyn Jenner was not publicly a woman for a full year.
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Postby Vissegaard » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:34 am

Daburuetchi wrote:Yep the capitalist class is selling our gender identity right back at us. Everything be a commodity to them.


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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:28 am

A pretty simple reason for why the SEAL transgender wouldn't want the award is because they would be making themselves targets for reprisal by Al-Quaeda.
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