French Attacks Megathread

[Gauthier]

Yeah. Symptom of a fundie disease infecting a country that prided on a history of strict secularism.

Isn't he one of the deniers too? Not that it's all that related to this.

He's an Islamist. Bad enough.

[Ganos Lao]

ISIS' days are numbered? Perhaps, but the bloodbath is coming, and it will make Paris look like a tea party.

Wait, by bloodbath you must mean terrorist attack. Now ISIS has a predilection for major attacks, we get that. But do you really think thousands upon thousands are going to die in the Western world?

I'm talking about the Middle East. I mean, when ISIS is removed, you're going to see so many groups try to fill that power vacuum. I've said it before on this thread.

[Socialist Czechia]

European Union, of course, couldn't bring better solution than further ban on guns. Great.

So now, european citizens won't be able to get guns legally, while terrorists will always be able to get AK-47s and grenades on black market. I or you won't be able to guy Glock or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun to defend yourself, while bearded radical islamist will be armed with military grade weaponry.

Just I said, "great".

Thankfully, EU won't last much longer.

[Kraylandia]

European Union, of course, couldn't bring better solution than further ban on guns. Great.

So now, european citizens won't be able to get guns legally, while terrorists will always be able to get AK-47s and grenades on black market. I or you won't be able to guy Glock or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun to defend yourself, while bearded radical islamist will be armed with military grade weaponry.

Just I said, "great".

Thankfully, EU won't last much longer.

Yep, sums up the EU and anti-gun people in general. Oh don't worry about it, criminals won't be able to get guns! the law says so!

[Saiwania]

I'm talking about the Middle East. I mean, when ISIS is removed, you're going to see so many groups try to fill that power vacuum. I've said it before on this thread.

But this doesn't matter provided only the biggest players in the Iraq/Syria war are fully supported militarily and all of the smaller groups are suppressed to the point of nonexistence or being impotent- what should fall into this category is the FSA, Hezbollah, and Al Nusra. All are entities too small or are losers and thus should be left to wither on the vine to disband. The fewer small rebel groups fighting against Assad in Syria, and the more a counter attack can be focused only on Islamic State- the better.

The ones that should fill in the power vacuum where IS territory used to be are the countries of Iran and Iraq which represent the Shia, a new Kurdish state situated in Iraq or Syria or both representing the Kurds and Peshmerga, and Assad's government or a new independent state representing the Sunnis.

All of the battlefield can be divided up amongst the victors. In the long run there will either be a Sunni portion of Iraq under Shia administration in the scenario of Iraq re-annexing Anbar province, a newly independent Sunni state established in Sunni Iraq (unlikely to happen), or Syria or another Arab state annexing the Sunni portion of Iraq (also unlikely).

But what is almost certainly off of the table at this point, is the idea that Iraq and Syria can go back to their old borders. Neither country will be able to do this and its not happening. Both countries have undergone de facto partition and a peace settlement should recognize the reality that the Sunni, Kurds, and Shia will be going their separate ways.

[Kraylandia]

a peace settlement should recognize the reality that the Sunni, Kurds, and Shia will be going their separate ways.

Good luck with that as well.

[Socialist Czechia]

European Union, of course, couldn't bring better solution than further ban on guns. Great.

So now, european citizens won't be able to get guns legally, while terrorists will always be able to get AK-47s and grenades on black market. I or you won't be able to guy Glock or semi-automatic rifle or shotgun to defend yourself, while bearded radical islamist will be armed with military grade weaponry.

Just I said, "great".

Thankfully, EU won't last much longer.

Yep, sums up the EU and anti-gun people in general. Oh don't worry about it, criminals won't be able to get guns! the law says so!

It's bad enough, that I am, like, probably only left-wing person on my faculty, who thinks that People should be armed as much as possible, rather than unarmed.
Probably because I still consider violent revolution as a legitimate change of State's politics When Social Democrats betrayed the idea of revolution, 95% of leftists became total pussies.

Well, at least in my fatherland it's not a problem. There are pretty liberal laws. Gun license is necessary, as is usual in Europe, but it's easy to get. Only thing you can't buy there legally as common citizen are automatic weapons and military-grade armor-piercing bullets. Tactical shotguns and sniper rifles can be bought easily as well.

Now very popular are upgraded Vz.58 rifles, no longer used in army:

[Kraylandia]

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Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

[Scanzian Freehold]

Yep, sums up the EU and anti-gun people in general. Oh don't worry about it, criminals won't be able to get guns! the law says so!

It's bad enough, that I am, like, probably only left-wing person on my faculty, who thinks that People should be armed as much as possible, rather than unarmed.
Probably because I still consider violent revolution as a legitimate change of State's politics When Social Democrats betrayed the idea of revolution, 95% of leftists became total pussies.

Well, at least in my fatherland it's not a problem. There are pretty liberal laws. Gun license is necessary, as is usual in Europe, but it's easy to get. Only thing you can't buy there legally as common citizen are automatic weapons and military-grade armor-piercing bullets. Tactical shotguns and sniper rifles can be bought easily as well.

Now very popular are upgraded Vz.58 rifles, no longer used in army:

I'm having difficulty telling this thread apart from the Assault Rifle thread again...

[Kraylandia]

It's bad enough, that I am, like, probably only left-wing person on my faculty, who thinks that People should be armed as much as possible, rather than unarmed.
Probably because I still consider violent revolution as a legitimate change of State's politics When Social Democrats betrayed the idea of revolution, 95% of leftists became total pussies.

Well, at least in my fatherland it's not a problem. There are pretty liberal laws. Gun license is necessary, as is usual in Europe, but it's easy to get. Only thing you can't buy there legally as common citizen are automatic weapons and military-grade armor-piercing bullets. Tactical shotguns and sniper rifles can be bought easily as well.

Now very popular are upgraded Vz.58 rifles, no longer used in army:

I'm having difficulty telling this thread apart from the Assault Rifle thread again...

Give it a rest, the conversation between me and him has ended. Back on topic.

[Saiwania]

Good luck with that as well.

This is the only outcome I see on the horizon. Iraq is not able to fully control its territorial integrity and neither can Syria, so it is a free for all in terms of what borders can be redrawn after the dust settles. We may as well go with the winners such as Iraq/Iran retaking the Shia portion, the Kurds holding onto what they want, and letting Assad take back most of Syria. Doing this instead of doing what Obama is doing, which is supporting losers such as the FSA or "moderate" Syrian rebels which don't exist or are only 4 people strong and wind up going to IS anyways.

The only major elephant in the room after IS is defeated is finding a long term replacement for IS to represent Iraq's Sunnis. To say the least they weren't happy under Shia governance. I'm sure a carbon copy of Jordan or Saudi Arabia can be carved out and set aside for Iraq's Sunnis.

Iraq is majority Shia anyways, so if on board with a partition, Iraq can focus on their own affairs and continue building their alliance with Iran.
The Kurds I'm sure will gladly accept a new state for themselves in Iraq and Syria, even if they need to forego any claims on Turkey or Iran.

[Big Jim P]

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Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

Being an armed American, I am not to worried about terrorists.

[Socialist Czechia]

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Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

it's funny though, how conservatives and nationalists are furious about anti-gun pussy liberals, but I doubt they would like, if oldschool hardcore left returned

[Kraylandia]

Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

it's funny though, how conservatives and nationalists are furious about anti-gun pussy liberals, but I doubt they would like, if oldschool hardcore left returned

Let's either end this discussion or take it to telegram before people start moaning again.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Unfortunately the typical knee-jerk reactions associated with fear are still abound. Copenhagen airport main terminal evacuated, 2 football games cancelled, planes making emergency landings as passengers are overheard talking about bombs.
All it does is make it seem that IS has won this battle.

Yep, sums up the EU and anti-gun people in general. Oh don't worry about it, criminals won't be able to get guns! the law says so!

Yeah, lets arm the public so that when an attack happens, completely at random, generally in a crowded place, we can have even more bullets flying. Nothing brings more clarity to a panic than a bunch of the public running about with guns out.
Or how about we let our police handle these situations?


And I'd also like a source for where it says "EU citizens will now not have legal access to firearms". My gun cabinet begs to differ.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

Being an armed American, I am not to worried about terrorists.

You should be though. Your gun won't protect you if the guy sitting next to you on the plane blows himself up with the bomb hidden in his underwear. Or if a plane flies right into your office. Or... well, you get the idea.

[The Alexanderians]

Unfortunately the typical knee-jerk reactions associated with fear are still abound. Copenhagen airport main terminal evacuated, 2 football games cancelled, planes making emergency landings as passengers are overheard talking about bombs.
All it does is make it seem that IS has won this battle.

Yep, sums up the EU and anti-gun people in general. Oh don't worry about it, criminals won't be able to get guns! the law says so!

Yeah, lets arm the public so that when an attack happens, completely at random, generally in a crowded place, we can have even more bullets flying. Nothing brings more clarity to a panic than a bunch of the public running about with guns out.
Or how about we let our police handle these situations?


And I'd also like a source for where it says "EU citizens will now not have legal access to firearms". My gun cabinet begs to differ.

Gun safety courses mandatory and licensing requirements. My dad drilled into my head every rule of gun safety before I was even allowed to watch someone uses one in person. Never have i had an issue with one. If people have proper discipline with them then that minimizes problems. Granted the requirements would narrow down who could uses them significantly but that's the way it goes.

[Big Jim P]

Being an armed American, I am not to worried about terrorists.

You should be though. Your gun won't protect you if the guy sitting next to you on the plane blows himself up with the bomb hidden in his underwear. Or if a plane flies right into your office. Or... well, you get the idea.

Ja, guns don't do much against bombs, but a series of bomb attacks is highly unlikely. If the terrorist start shooting however, here in the States, they would be heavily out-gunned.

[Kraylandia]

Gun safety courses mandatory and licensing requirements. My dad drilled into my head every rule of gun safety before I was even allowed to watch someone uses one in person. Never have i had an issue with one. If people have proper discipline with them then that minimizes problems. Granted the requirements would narrow down who could uses them significantly but that's the way it goes.

Finally, a sensible person on the forums.

[Gauthier]

Nice to see a left-winger that thinks people should be armed. You guys sure are in the minority, and you're lucky that your country allows you to own that kind of weaponry. Looks like a really nice rifle.

UK gun laws suck.

Being an armed American, I am not to worried about terrorists.

You still haven't answered some questions.

[Socialist Czechia]

Let's either end this discussion or take it to telegram before people start moaning again.

Then just return to to the topic.

Where the hell EU finds logic to tighten gun control, when these terrorists obviously used black market weaponry?

What about to focus on incompetent police and crappy laws in Western Europe? What about to create Border Guards and Militias made from volunteered armed citizens?

Now I would allow citizens in Western Europe to buy automatic weapons or tried to discard gun license necessity. Liberal pussies may whine and moan forever about more violence and crazy people able to get guns, but it's still better than let law abiding citizens be unarmed.

Sad truth is, that criminal/terrorist/mad person will always find it's way for weaponry. Only if, in theory, State was able to purge whole black market and could guarantee 100% security, you can ban guns altogether...but you can't achieve this without more or less police state, so it's obvious, that it's totally not a good solution.

[Big Jim P]

Being an armed American, I am not to worried about terrorists.

You still haven't answered some questions.

If your homeland is under attack and you are a fighting age healthy male and you run instead of defending it, you are a coward.

Did I stutter?

[Gauthier]

You still haven't answered some questions.

If your homeland is under attack and you are a fighting age healthy male and you run instead of defending it, you are a coward.

Did I stutter?

Does that include healthy fighting age Jewish males during the 1930s?

[Kubra]

You still haven't answered some questions.

If your homeland is under attack and you are a fighting age healthy male and you run instead of defending it, you are a coward.

Did I stutter?

war sux tho

[Kraylandia]

If your homeland is under attack and you are a fighting age healthy male and you run instead of defending it, you are a coward.

Did I stutter?

Does that include healthy fighting age Jewish males during the 1930s?

Yeah, what the fuck do Jews have to do with this?