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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:26 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkish-soc ... membrance/

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Postby Scanzian Freehold » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:38 pm

Salus Maior wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkish-soccer-fans-chant-allahu-akbar-paris-attacks-remembrance/

Well then. Turks continue to maintain their position on my country affection list.


It seems like Turkey has been in an ideological Cold War with itself for as long as I've been alive. I'm happy about the progressive side of Turkey, but the backwards, fundamentalist-leaning side gets progressively scarier and less stable. If this continues, I don't see things going well. ...Not to imply they're peachy now, since there's obvious and open Daesh sympathy in certain Turkish sectors, and way too little action against this on the part of the Erdogan government.

That being said, even though soccer hooligans world round aren't exactly known for their tact, there was no excuse for their Daeshbaggery.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:38 pm

Salus Maior wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkish-soccer-fans-chant-allahu-akbar-paris-attacks-remembrance/

Well then. Turks continue to maintain their position on my country affection list.

Because of a small minority? I found the hissing and booing far worse than the 'Gos is great' chant.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:44 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/news/turkish-soccer-fans-chant-allahu-akbar-paris-attacks-remembrance/

Well then. Turks continue to maintain their position on my country affection list.

Because of a small minority? I found the hissing and booing far worse than the 'Gos is great' chant.


I consider all of it to "bad". Although the words I'd use are "complete disrespect and spit in the face to the victims of a terror attack".

And the "Allahu Akbar" chant suggests that said fans who chanted it are in solidarity with the perpetrators. I don't think I need to explain why that is bad.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:48 pm

Scanzian Freehold wrote:
It seems like Turkey has been in an ideological Cold War with itself for as long as I've been alive. I'm happy about the progressive side of Turkey, but the backwards, fundamentalist-leaning side gets progressively scarier and less stable. If this continues, I don't see things going well. ...Not to imply they're peachy now, since there's obvious and open Daesh sympathy in certain Turkish sectors, and way too little action against this on the part of the Erdogan government.


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Postby Mike from Progressive » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:20 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Not like he was going to talk. No matter. ISIS's days are numbered.


ISIS' days are numbered?


Same people who are saying that, also said ISIS would have collapsed by now.

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:23 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:Not like he was going to talk. No matter. ISIS's days are numbered.


ISIS' days are numbered? Perhaps, but the bloodbath is coming, and it will make Paris look like a tea party.

Enough with the fear-mongering . Its' both exactly what the terrorists want and in very poor taste.

ISIS will pay for this horribly.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:26 pm

So I hear that one of the terrorists in France told police when they raided a church in Saint-Denis that they wouldn't dare do this to a mosque. This shows just how important it is to call their bluff. The police need to begin raiding mosques in places such as Molenbeek because this is the most likely location for illegal weaponry to be hidden for the purposes of future Jihad attacks. Look in the basements. I know that at least one will bear fruit and subsequently will be in hot water.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:32 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
ISIS' days are numbered? Perhaps, but the bloodbath is coming, and it will make Paris look like a tea party.

Enough with the fear-mongering . Its' both exactly what the terrorists want and in very poor taste.

ISIS will pay for this horribly.


If it came across as poor taste, I'm sorry. Wasn't meant to be. Nor do I see it as fear mongering. I'm just expecting that if ISIS were to go down, if their days really were numbered, it wouldn't mean the end of the problem, but more like the next chapter in a book, you know? I'm just expecting someone is going to do something, whether it's pull another Breivik or continue the "jihad against the infidels," followed up by the war to come in the Middle East. Until I see convincing evidence to the contrary, that's just how I feel.
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Postby Mike from Progressive » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:35 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
ISIS' days are numbered? Perhaps, but the bloodbath is coming, and it will make Paris look like a tea party.

Enough with the fear-mongering . Its' both exactly what the terrorists want and in very poor taste.

ISIS will pay for this horribly.


ISIS could care less about the fear mongering, whether our values are lost, etc. They want to create a global caliphate. It's really that simple to them.

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Postby Ganos Lao » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:47 pm

Mike from Progressive wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Enough with the fear-mongering . Its' both exactly what the terrorists want and in very poor taste.

ISIS will pay for this horribly.


ISIS could care less about the fear mongering, whether our values are lost, etc. They want to create a global caliphate. It's really that simple to them.


All I'm doing is saying that it's only going to get worse before it gets better. I don't see an easy solution to the myriad of problems we're facing. So many people are talking about how to stop ISIS, but no one is talking about what to do after they're dealt with, and that's why I keep expressing my concern that something big is going to take place.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I honestly feel we're inbound for a couple decades at least of more bloodshed, and I don't trust the guys in power enough to mitigate everyone through it.



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Postby West Aurelia » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:30 pm

Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:33 pm

West Aurelia wrote:Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.

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Postby Cybraxia » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:34 pm

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West Aurelia wrote:Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.

Republican governors =/= America as a whole.


He only said "in the US". He didn't say that America hates refugees.

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Postby Saiwania » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:46 pm

West Aurelia wrote:Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.


Europe in general should be against accepting Syrian refugees and the only way to put a stop to the flow realistically speaking in France, is to vote for the Front National and get every single pro-EU politician out of office as soon as possible. Marine Le Pen if put into office would restore France after decades of mismanagement.

I'd like to point out that from 1924 to 1965, the US was a low immigration country but was still prosperous during this time period. The reason for the 1924 limits on immigration was due to terrorism believe it or not. They weren't Islamic but the immigrants concerned were often Marxist anarchists from southern or eastern Europe, one of which killed president McKinley. There is plenty of precedent for the US not leaving the door open for anyone and everyone to just come in. This was never done until the disastrous gutting of quotas in 1965.
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Postby Scanzian Freehold » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:55 pm

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West Aurelia wrote:Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.


Europe in general should be against accepting Syrian refugees and the only way to put a stop to the flow realistically speaking in France, is to vote for the Front National and get every single pro-EU politician out of office as soon as possible. Marine Le Pen if put into office would restore France after decades of mismanagement.

I'd like to point out that from 1924 to 1965, the US was a low immigration country but was still prosperous during this time period. The reason for the 1924 limits on immigration was due to terrorism believe it or not. They weren't Islamic but the immigrants concerned were often Marxist anarchists from southern or eastern Europe, one of which killed president McKinley. There is plenty of precedent for the US not leaving the door open for anyone and everyone to just come in. This was never done until the disastrous gutting of quotas in 1965.


Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:03 pm

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Saiwania wrote:
Europe in general should be against accepting Syrian refugees and the only way to put a stop to the flow realistically speaking in France, is to vote for the Front National and get every single pro-EU politician out of office as soon as possible. Marine Le Pen if put into office would restore France after decades of mismanagement.

I'd like to point out that from 1924 to 1965, the US was a low immigration country but was still prosperous during this time period. The reason for the 1924 limits on immigration was due to terrorism believe it or not. They weren't Islamic but the immigrants concerned were often Marxist anarchists from southern or eastern Europe, one of which killed president McKinley. There is plenty of precedent for the US not leaving the door open for anyone and everyone to just come in. This was never done until the disastrous gutting of quotas in 1965.


Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?


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Postby Saiwania » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:06 pm

Scanzian Freehold wrote:Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?


My message can be described as far right or conservative to be sure, but I'm pointing out that restricting immigration isn't without precedent so far as the US and a lot of other nations are concerned, such as those in Europe. The GOP suggested that perhaps more of the Syrian Christians should be allowed in instead and Obama blew his stack figuratively speaking, when this has every potential of being a more palatable alternative to closing off immigration completely.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:09 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Scanzian Freehold wrote:Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?


My message can be described as far right or conservative to be sure, but I'm pointing out that restricting immigration isn't without precedent so far as the US and a lot of other nations are concerned, such as those in Europe. The GOP suggested that perhaps more of the Syrian Christians should be allowed in instead and Obama blew his stack figuratively speaking, when this has every potential of being a more palatable alternative to closing off immigration completely.


Because obviously Syrian Christians are more likely to join Daesh if denied asylum.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:19 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Scanzian Freehold wrote:Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?


My message can be described as far right or conservative to be sure, but I'm pointing out that restricting immigration isn't without precedent so far as the US and a lot of other nations are concerned, such as those in Europe. The GOP suggested that perhaps more of the Syrian Christians should be allowed in instead and Obama blew his stack figuratively speaking, when this has every potential of being a more palatable alternative to closing off immigration completely.

The whole "only let Christians" in goes so totally against all the freedom of religion horseshit the far right spouts that it's really just blatant bigoted pandering by GOP leaders. America vets refugees more thoroughly than pretty much anyone else and we've had very few incidents with them (we certainly vet them more carefully than the French- hell, we barely even let in any of the Pashtun translators who worked for the army)
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:28 pm

Ganos Lao wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Not like he was going to talk. No matter. ISIS's days are numbered.


ISIS' days are numbered? Perhaps, but the bloodbath is coming, and it will make Paris look like a tea party.

Wait, by bloodbath you must mean terrorist attack. Now ISIS has a predilection for major attacks, we get that. But do you really think thousands upon thousands are going to die in the Western world?

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:29 pm

Mike from Progressive wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Enough with the fear-mongering . Its' both exactly what the terrorists want and in very poor taste.

ISIS will pay for this horribly.


ISIS could care less about the fear mongering, whether our values are lost, etc. They want to create a global caliphate. It's really that simple to them.

Let's do what they want: fight a set piece battle in the location they designated to be the place of the Apocalypse.

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:32 pm

Saiwania wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:Interesting that there is more anti-refugee sentiment in the US than France. Hollande announced that he'll be accepting 30,000 refugees.


Europe in general should be against accepting Syrian refugees and the only way to put a stop to the flow realistically speaking in France, is to vote for the Front National and get every single pro-EU politician out of office as soon as possible. Marine Le Pen if put into office would restore France after decades of mismanagement.

I'd like to point out that from 1924 to 1965, the US was a low immigration country but was still prosperous during this time period. The reason for the 1924 limits on immigration was due to terrorism believe it or not. They weren't Islamic but the immigrants concerned were often Marxist anarchists from southern or eastern Europe, one of which killed president McKinley. There is plenty of precedent for the US not leaving the door open for anyone and everyone to just come in. This was never done until the disastrous gutting of quotas in 1965.

If I'm not mistaken, those marxist anarchists were Jews, right? Or do I have something mixed up?
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:33 pm

Gauthier wrote:
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Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe? Do you not realize how this all sounds? -Or rather, what other famous ultra-Nationalist movement you sound like?


He's a white supremacist.

Those are very hard to actually come by. I think he's more of a white separatist.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:37 pm

Scanzian Freehold wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Europe in general should be against accepting Syrian refugees and the only way to put a stop to the flow realistically speaking in France, is to vote for the Front National and get every single pro-EU politician out of office as soon as possible. Marine Le Pen if put into office would restore France after decades of mismanagement.

I'd like to point out that from 1924 to 1965, the US was a low immigration country but was still prosperous during this time period. The reason for the 1924 limits on immigration was due to terrorism believe it or not. They weren't Islamic but the immigrants concerned were often Marxist anarchists from southern or eastern Europe, one of which killed president McKinley. There is plenty of precedent for the US not leaving the door open for anyone and everyone to just come in. This was never done until the disastrous gutting of quotas in 1965.


Okay, I have been trying really, really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt for the last several days, but your every post just leaves me more and more certain you have decided Absolute National Purity is the key to all the world's ills. Am I taking your outspokenness against Semites and Marxists wrong? Are you not calling for a Purge of all non-ethnic Europeans from Europe?


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