French Attacks Megathread

[The Alma Mater]

Hannover apparantly is being closed down. Police is present in great force, the mayor referred to "a threat to the whole city" and promises to offer information soon. The source of the threat being Islamic seems to also been confirmed.

The package was harmless, luckily. http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/soccer-stadium-evacuated-in-hannover-germany/

You are somewhat behind with the news Despite the package being harmless, the city is being locked down and there is talk of a great threat.

[Geilinor]

The package was harmless, luckily. http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/soccer-stadium-evacuated-in-hannover-germany/

You are somewhat behind with the news

People who were already inside the 49,000-seat stadium left swiftly and calmly, Mr. Kluwe said, and the match was called off. The package was inspected and turned out to be harmless.

[The Alma Mater]

You are somewhat behind with the news

People who were already inside the 49,000-seat stadium left swiftly and calmly, Mr. Kluwe said, and the match was called off. The package was inspected and turned out to be harmless.

Yes, and NOW the police is telling people that there is a big threat, that they should disperse. Public transport has been closed down. The mayor is preparing a statement. Rumors of a truck filled with explosives are floating around, but sofar unconfirmed.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yes, and NOW the police is telling people that there is a big threat, that they should disperse. Public transport has been closed down. The mayor is preparing a statement. Rumors of a truck filled with explosives are floating around, but sofar unconfirmed.

According to the German News it was an Ambulance that had been lined with explosives.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble with the leftist, tired, overused and now completely impotent 'Nazi' or 'fascist' name-calling for anyone who has a different view from yourself

>Replies to poster
>Claims they're using something "tired" and "overused," but especially "impotent"
>Previously stated essentially that nukes were the way to go to deal with ISIS
>Doesn't realize he's using a "tired" and "overused" "solution" to the problem.
>???
>Will probably be seen as a leftist myself in response to this post.
>???
>No profit for anyone save the Western/Iraqi politicians who will escape mass scrutiny for the bloodbath to come.

Fuck! NSG needs a ''Like'' button, damnit!

[Rio Cana]

And indiscriminate mass targeting won the day in Vietnam don't forget.

The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefield. Rather, a growing majority of American society went against a war in a country they had no connection with and that didn't had done anything to harm them.

If you really think a nuclear-armed country would not retaliate in kind upon having one of its major cities wiped out, you must be joking.

US security was not threatened but still half a million US troops were sent there over all those years. Troops lost 58000. It was no picnic. For some years now, the US and Vietnam have good ties.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks- ... lt-1529008

Well this sounds oddly familiar to the post 9/11 hysteria towards Sikhs, and Muslims in the U.S.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The Vietnam War was not lost on the battlefield. Rather, a growing majority of American society went against a war in a country they had no connection with and that didn't had done anything to harm them.

If you really think a nuclear-armed country would not retaliate in kind upon having one of its major cities wiped out, you must be joking.

US security was not threatened but still half a million US troops were sent there over all those years. Troops lost 58000. It was no picnic. For some years now, the US and Vietnam have good ties.

Nobody said The Vietnam War was a good idea. One of the negative effects of the Truman Doctrine really..

[Farnhamia]

Obviously that would scare the shit out of Daesh rather than make them jizz in their AIDS-ridden pants because that's giving them an All They Can Eat Propaganda Buffet.

The winner is the one who gets to write history, not the loser. In this scenario, Da'esh having been completely eliminated down to the root bloodline, with every supporter and member dead, and every family whose member joined it subjected, humiliated and punished, there is no propaganda war. The object of a war is such as to make the OTHER side sue for peace. Not to sue for peace yourself using empty threats as is happening now (i.e. light aerial bombardment and pinpoint drone strikes exclusively on those morally culpable individuals against whom there is indisputable evidence).
Destroy them all or be destroyed. There is no propaganda war to win. You want to claim victory in a theo-cum-political propaganda war against some people's interpretation of what God wants them to do? Good luck with that. In reality, I think we're going to leave it too late to utterly destroy them. The consequence of leaving it too late is even worse. We should snuff it out and watch the light die from its eyes while it's a baby, not wait until it's a brazen and bold young man who won't even bother with the Islamic costume drama. It's them or us. And it won't be a war to end all wars. Every 50 years or so we have a major war, and we are long overdue. It may be an evolution/population thing.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

It was the "and every family whose member joined it subjected, humiliated and punished" bit that took you over the line.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-fife-takeaway-owner-seriously-injured-revenge-assault-1529008

Well this sounds oddly familiar to the post 9/11 hysteria towards Sikhs, and Muslims in the U.S.

After every event of sectarian violence really....

[BalkanWarrior]

A terrorists attack in Hannover, Germany was prevented. It is very close to the French border.

[Scanzian Freehold]

Apparently that password was there to coax European countries into closing its borders for Syrians by "proving" the refugees are all potential dangers to EU citizens.

IS can paint it off as anti-muslim hate. Describe it as the EU instigating a crusade against the islam. What's actually undermining them most is the fact that Europe HAS such an open society, which is toxic for the hateful rhetoric they cling to.

All of this whining about "ooh see the left caused this" and "dirty muslims" is what IS wants. IS is spreading videos telling Syrians not to go to Europe, telling them Europe will abuse them. Telling them the Caliphate is a safe haven. But so far it's not really working, because their words do not corresponds with Europe's actions and reality.

Actually, Europe's best approach to dealing with IS is not to block Syrians from entering Europe, but to block IS propaganda and let IS sizzle out like a malfunctioning cherry bomb.

Everyone jumps to the conspiracy theory.

It's much more reasonable and plausible that the ISIS manufacturered fake passports to get their guys past the security checks. They used the same details changing the photos because they're lazy, not some half hearted attempt to get them to close boarders.

Wow... Yeah, you can say a lot of things about Daesh, but they are anything but 'lazy' when it comes to their PR savvy, proof materials, or operational work. Otherwise they would not be as insanely successful at this game. You've seen their slick recruitment videos and publicity materials, right? You really think a group with that level of production values is going to just go "Meh... Just throw our agents' passports through the color photocopier, and get'erDONE!"

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Everyone jumps to the conspiracy theory.

It's much more reasonable and plausible that the ISIS manufacturered fake passports to get their guys past the security checks. They used the same details changing the photos because they're lazy, not some half hearted attempt to get them to close boarders.

Wow... Yeah, you can say a lot of things about Daesh, but they are anything but 'lazy' when it comes to their PR savvy, proof materials, or operational work. Otherwise they would not be as insanely successful at this game. You've seen their slick recruitment videos and publicity materials, right? You really think a group with that level of production values is going to just go "Meh... Just throw our agents' passports through the color photocopier, and get'erDONE!"

Considering the level of detail put into these fake passports to pass as authentic no. But I doubt they really thought to sweat the details of passports meant for suicide bombers. They just have to get past the border. Given ISIS's target of recruits, it also stands to reason that the counterfeiters were less than literate, probably operating in a sweatshop like manner, and are simply making copies of what they are given.

[Scanzian Freehold]

Wow... Yeah, you can say a lot of things about Daesh, but they are anything but 'lazy' when it comes to their PR savvy, proof materials, or operational work. Otherwise they would not be as insanely successful at this game. You've seen their slick recruitment videos and publicity materials, right? You really think a group with that level of production values is going to just go "Meh... Just throw our agents' passports through the color photocopier, and get'erDONE!"

Considering the level of detail put into these fake passports to pass as authentic no. But I doubt they really thought to sweat the details of passports meant for suicide bombers. They just have to get past the border. Given ISIS's target of recruits, it also stands to reason that the counterfeiters were less than literate, probably operating in a sweatshop like manner, and are simply making copies of what they are given.

Apparently we have vastly different ideas of how their command and media structures are organized. First off, they have plenty of professionals in various fields at their disposal, given that their upper echelon is largely composed of highly educated military officers from both Iraq and Syria, as well as numerous media professionals, cryptographers, disenfranchised BA'ATH party bureaucrats (including former Iraqi immigration officials,) and engineering professionals, as cited at various points previously in this thread. SURE, Joe Suicide troop may not have the same schooling, but you can be damn sure they're not the ones running the machinery.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Considering the level of detail put into these fake passports to pass as authentic no. But I doubt they really thought to sweat the details of passports meant for suicide bombers. They just have to get past the border. Given ISIS's target of recruits, it also stands to reason that the counterfeiters were less than literate, probably operating in a sweatshop like manner, and are simply making copies of what they are given.

Apparently we have vastly different ideas of how their command and media structures are organized. First off, they have plenty of professionals in various fields at their disposal, given that their upper echelon is largely composed of highly educated military officers from both Iraq and Syria, as well as numerous media professionals, cryptographers, disenfranchised BA'ATH party bureaucrats (including former Iraqi immigration officials,) and engineering professionals, as cited at various points previously in this thread. SURE, Joe Suicide troop may not have the same schooling, but you can be damn sure they're not the ones running the machinery.

I didn't say they weren't. But those groups at the top, are not the one's doing the grunt work. Mass production is a grunt work task. The idea that Daesh mde multiple copies of the same Passport, and handed them out to the grunts saying "here put your photo on it and good luck" is much plausible than western nations tracking down terrorists within the refugee stream, giving them fake passports, and allowing them to continue their mission. All to halt a process they're perfectly capable of halting without doing all that in the first place.

[The Blaatschapen]

A terrorists attack in Hannover, Germany was prevented. It is very close to the French border.

It's not close to the French border. At least not by French nor German standards.

[Scanzian Freehold]

Apparently we have vastly different ideas of how their command and media structures are organized. First off, they have plenty of professionals in various fields at their disposal, given that their upper echelon is largely composed of highly educated military officers from both Iraq and Syria, as well as numerous media professionals, cryptographers, disenfranchised BA'ATH party bureaucrats (including former Iraqi immigration officials,) and engineering professionals, as cited at various points previously in this thread. SURE, Joe Suicide troop may not have the same schooling, but you can be damn sure they're not the ones running the machinery.

I didn't say they weren't. But those groups at the top, are not the one's doing the grunt work. Mass production is a grunt work task. The idea that Daesh mde multiple copies of the same Passport, and handed them out to the grunts saying "here put your photo on it and good luck" is much plausible than western nations tracking down terrorists within the refugee stream, giving them fake passports, and allowing them to continue their mission. All to halt a process they're perfectly capable of halting without doing all that in the first place.

OH! That's where the misunderstanding is! Right- well, the thing was, I was never implying Europeans were in any way involved with the passports. My assertion is that DAESH did that on purpose, to poison the water for the fleeing refugees.

[Geilinor]

A terrorists attack in Hannover, Germany was prevented. It is very close to the French border.

It's not close to the French border. At least not by French nor German standards.

Not by anyone's standards.

[Camicon]

Awesome CBC interview with one of my uni profs, Michael Zekulin: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/popup/audio/pla ... 2678854213

Worth a listen, if you've got fifteen minutes.

[The Blaatschapen]

Seems that the St V in Brussels from the liberal universities (VUB/ULB) got cancelled by authorities. However, the student body disagrees and wants to do the walk anyway.

As someone who has participated in one, I can only be proud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_V
https://www.facebook.com/events/970764152995242/ (Dutch and French)

[Esperantujo 2]

I've avoided looking at this thread until today, waiting for calm. I must say right away that I condemn the terrorist attacks utterly, and my party participated in the vigil in central London on Saturday although I didn't do so myself. However, I must say that Islamophobia only makes things worse, and it's like saying all Christians support the Ku Klux Klan. Is there any reliable survey about how many muslims support IS?
I don't know how the terrorism can be stopped, but I believe the Islamic community must be involved. I didn't support George Galloway's Respect Party, but I'm sad about its apparent failure. However, Sadiq Khan is a Muslim (I've checked this on Wikipedia) and he is Labour candidate for Mayor of my city London. I welcome his candidature, but I don't know whether I will vote for him or not. I'll be inclined to say to him that if he continues the policy of the incumbent Boris Nero Johnson of closing fire stations, he is helping the terrorists. It is good for moderate Muslims like Sadiq to be role models. What are western governments doing in the Middle East? They support the Salifist dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. When the centre-right Islamist government of Morsi was democratically elected in Egypt, they supported Sisi's military coup. Progressive secular governments, like that of Tariki and Amin in Afghanistan can also have a positive effect, by providing education and clamping down on criminal elements, but what happened? Pakistan, the United States and the Soviet Union were all determined to overthrow that government. We must ask who is supplying the terrorists with arms.

[The Alexanderians]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-fife-takeaway-owner-seriously-injured-revenge-assault-1529008

Well this sounds oddly familiar to the post 9/11 hysteria towards Sikhs, and Muslims in the U.S.

I've been hearing about it over the news here and I was worried I was alone in that observation.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I didn't say they weren't. But those groups at the top, are not the one's doing the grunt work. Mass production is a grunt work task. The idea that Daesh mde multiple copies of the same Passport, and handed them out to the grunts saying "here put your photo on it and good luck" is much plausible than western nations tracking down terrorists within the refugee stream, giving them fake passports, and allowing them to continue their mission. All to halt a process they're perfectly capable of halting without doing all that in the first place.

OH! That's where the misunderstanding is! Right- well, the thing was, I was never implying Europeans were in any way involved with the passports. My assertion is that DAESH did that on purpose, to poison the water for the fleeing refugees.

Oh,... well,... that might be the case, but I would need more evidence to assert it as correct.

[The Black Forrest]

It's not close to the French border. At least not by French nor German standards.

Not by anyone's standards.

Are you sure about that? How good are Americans with Geography?

[The Serbian Empire]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-fife-takeaway-owner-seriously-injured-revenge-assault-1529008

Well this sounds oddly familiar to the post 9/11 hysteria towards Sikhs, and Muslims in the U.S.

Because it is a repeat of the post 9/11 hysteria.