French Attacks Megathread

[The Alexanderians]

For one, stop promoting the propaganda that makes people discriminate against Muslims, and foster an environment where they can feel welcome.

Generic and unspecific to the point of meaninglessness.

Combating the discrimination and xenophobia would help immensely to that end. Especially in France which is a big offender in terms of current xenophobic tendencies, especially towards religious minorities.

[Kapilana]

NO APPEASEMENT.

NO MERCY.

The fact that these people try to justify what happened in Paris by crying racism just underlines the point about what needs to be done with them. When you've had enough of them, you know what to do.

[Kelinfort]

NO APPEASEMENT.

NO MERCY.

The fact that these people try to justify what happened in Paris by crying racism just underlines the point about what needs to be done with them. When you've had enough of them, you know what to do.

What do you propose be done?

[The Alexanderians]

NO APPEASEMENT.

NO MERCY.

The fact that these people try to justify what happened in Paris by crying racism just underlines the point about what needs to be done with them. When you've had enough of them, you know what to do.

You seem to be painting a whole group with the same brush there.

[Esternial]

NO APPEASEMENT.

NO MERCY.

The fact that these people try to justify what happened in Paris by crying racism just underlines the point about what needs to be done with them. When you've had enough of them, you know what to do.

Seem like Daesh rhetoric, just with different words.

[The Alexanderians]

NO APPEASEMENT.

NO MERCY.

The fact that these people try to justify what happened in Paris by crying racism just underlines the point about what needs to be done with them. When you've had enough of them, you know what to do.

Seem like Daesh rhetoric, just with different words.

It seems to imply a "kill them all let God sort them out" kind of thing.

[Kapilana]

I am proposing that this problem be nipped in the bud NOW. Because it really is just the tip of the iceberg, if they smell any weakness at all. Shooting for the moral high ground counts as weakness. Try to see the world as they see it. They have malcontents in every western country who are law-abiding only because they fear the consequences of giving in to what they really want to do. These malcontents will fuel the fire of the propaganda war and constantly whine about racism in various areas of life, tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc. That's how nonviolent ISIS supporters evade the law in western countries while offering implicit support to ISIS the only way they can do so while remaining out of prison.

In the meantime, ISIS is an ARMED group of illegal combatants who don't follow the Geneva or Hague conventions, and whose tactic of war consists of attacking unsuspecting crowds of unarmed civilians. This is to demoralise YOU and make you doubt yourself. These people understand just one language.

To put it bluntly, the problem can be exemplified by the French police's manhunt for the Belgian Arab terrorist suspect. The French are on pretty solid ground to suspect him. They don't have him and can't find him. But they do have his brother. Don't you think this fact could be used to demoralise ISIS and attack their minds?

I'm fully aware you can't attack an idea. But you can prevent someone who's trying to kill you from killing you, if you have both the means and the will. Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name. Speak to these people in a language they understand. Have collective punishments like WW2 internments (America) and Northern Ireland. Stop being obsessed with trying to be fair. This is a war.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am proposing that this problem be nipped in the bud NOW. Because it really is just the tip of the iceberg, if they smell any weakness at all. Shooting for the moral high ground counts as weakness. Try to see the world as they see it. They have malcontents in every western country who are law-abiding only because they fear the consequences of giving in to what they really want to do. These malcontents will fuel the fire of the propaganda war and constantly whine about racism in various areas of life, tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc. That's how nonviolent ISIS supporters evade the law in western countries while offering implicit support to ISIS the only way they can do so while remaining out of prison.

In the meantime, ISIS is an ARMED group of illegal combatants who don't follow the Geneva or Hague conventions, and whose tactic of war consists of attacking unsuspecting crowds of unarmed civilians. This is to demoralise YOU and make you doubt yourself. These people understand just one language.

To put it bluntly, the problem can be exemplified by the French police's manhunt for the Belgian Arab terrorist suspect. The French are on pretty solid ground to suspect him. They don't have him and can't find him. But they do have his brother. Don't you think this fact could be used to demoralise ISIS and attack their minds?

I'm fully aware you can't attack an idea. But you can prevent someone who's trying to kill you from killing you, if you have both the means and the will. Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name. Speak to these people in a language they understand. Have collective punishments like WW2 internments (America) and Northern Ireland. Stop being obsessed with trying to be fair. This is a war.

So for every village in Iraq that harbours even a single terrorist we flatten the entire village and kill everything in it, men, women, children, elderly, cows, sheeps, goats, cats, dogs, and even the flies or drag them off for a shower in a camp. And then we proceed to drop 500 kT's of nuclear weapons on it.

[The Alexanderians]

I am proposing that this problem be nipped in the bud NOW. Because it really is just the tip of the iceberg, if they smell any weakness at all. Shooting for the moral high ground counts as weakness. Try to see the world as they see it. They have malcontents in every western country who are law-abiding only because they fear the consequences of giving in to what they really want to do. These malcontents will fuel the fire of the propaganda war and constantly whine about racism in various areas of life, tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc. That's how nonviolent ISIS supporters evade the law in western countries while offering implicit support to ISIS the only way they can do so while remaining out of prison.

In the meantime, ISIS is an ARMED group of illegal combatants who don't follow the Geneva or Hague conventions, and whose tactic of war consists of attacking unsuspecting crowds of unarmed civilians. This is to demoralise YOU and make you doubt yourself. These people understand just one language.

To put it bluntly, the problem can be exemplified by the French police's manhunt for the Belgian Arab terrorist suspect. The French are on pretty solid ground to suspect him. They don't have him and can't find him. But they do have his brother. Don't you think this fact could be used to demoralise ISIS and attack their minds?

I'm fully aware you can't attack an idea. But you can prevent someone who's trying to kill you from killing you, if you have both the means and the will. Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name. Speak to these people in a language they understand. Have collective punishments like WW2 internments (America) and Northern Ireland. Stop being obsessed with trying to be fair. This is a war.

*sniffs* I smell human rights violations brewing

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I am proposing that this problem be nipped in the bud NOW. Because it really is just the tip of the iceberg, if they smell any weakness at all. Shooting for the moral high ground counts as weakness. Try to see the world as they see it. They have malcontents in every western country who are law-abiding only because they fear the consequences of giving in to what they really want to do. These malcontents will fuel the fire of the propaganda war and constantly whine about racism in various areas of life, tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc. That's how nonviolent ISIS supporters evade the law in western countries while offering implicit support to ISIS the only way they can do so while remaining out of prison.

In the meantime, ISIS is an ARMED group of illegal combatants who don't follow the Geneva or Hague conventions, and whose tactic of war consists of attacking unsuspecting crowds of unarmed civilians. This is to demoralise YOU and make you doubt yourself. These people understand just one language.

To put it bluntly, the problem can be exemplified by the French police's manhunt for the Belgian Arab terrorist suspect. The French are on pretty solid ground to suspect him. They don't have him and can't find him. But they do have his brother. Don't you think this fact could be used to demoralise ISIS and attack their minds?

I'm fully aware you can't attack an idea. But you can prevent someone who's trying to kill you from killing you, if you have both the means and the will. Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name. Speak to these people in a language they understand. Have collective punishments like WW2 internments (America) and Northern Ireland. Stop being obsessed with trying to be fair. This is a war.

Yes, lets become the very thing we're fighting against! That'll show them.

[Rio Cana]

I am proposing that this problem be nipped in the bud NOW. Because it really is just the tip of the iceberg, if they smell any weakness at all. Shooting for the moral high ground counts as weakness. Try to see the world as they see it. They have malcontents in every western country who are law-abiding only because they fear the consequences of giving in to what they really want to do. These malcontents will fuel the fire of the propaganda war and constantly whine about racism in various areas of life, tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc. That's how nonviolent ISIS supporters evade the law in western countries while offering implicit support to ISIS the only way they can do so while remaining out of prison.

In the meantime, ISIS is an ARMED group of illegal combatants who don't follow the Geneva or Hague conventions, and whose tactic of war consists of attacking unsuspecting crowds of unarmed civilians. This is to demoralise YOU and make you doubt yourself. These people understand just one language.

To put it bluntly, the problem can be exemplified by the French police's manhunt for the Belgian Arab terrorist suspect. The French are on pretty solid ground to suspect him. They don't have him and can't find him. But they do have his brother. Don't you think this fact could be used to demoralise ISIS and attack their minds?

I'm fully aware you can't attack an idea. But you can prevent someone who's trying to kill you from killing you, if you have both the means and the will. Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name. Speak to these people in a language they understand. Have collective punishments like WW2 internments (America) and Northern Ireland. Stop being obsessed with trying to be fair. This is a war.

So for every village in Iraq that harbours even a single terrorist we flatten the entire village and kill everything in it, men, women, children, elderly, cows, sheeps, goats, cats, dogs, and even the flies or drag them off for a shower in a camp. And then we proceed to drop 500 kT's of nuclear weapons on it.

Concerning your comment in blue, it seems like a line from a movie. Sort of like the following movie -
Really short - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hromg1wpWGE

[Kapilana]

Yes, lets become the very thing we're fighting against! That'll show them.

Because our societies have been so safe, so fair, so just and so democratic, a great majority of us, not having lived through a war or had first-hand experience of one, have lost touch with the meaning of that three-letter word.

I am a great admirer of the ancient and magnificent country of France, and one of the reasons for that (though not the only one) is its republican system, underpinned by democracy and the rule of law.

HOWEVER...

America was under great pressure from the Japanese forces during WW2. It had no choice but to SUSPEND (not permanently revoke) its core republican and democratic values and inter all Japanese as suspects until the war was ended. That war was ended, not coincidentally, by massive assymetrical violence (2 hydrogen bombs). There is no mass internment of the Japanese in the US now. It happened only during the war.

The UK tortured dissidents in Northern Ireland for the best part of a century, deployed mass internment (rounding people up and holding them in prison camps) and punishments as it SUSPENDED equality under the rule of law in its disputed province of Northern Ireland until the territory was relatively pacified. It doesn't do so any longer, and the rule of law and democracy is returning to Northern Ireland.

In the 19th century a lunatic fanatic Mohammaden in the Sudan gained a massive following and started an uprising to depose British colonial rule. He was simply a predecessor of the current crop of fanatics. The British general charged with quelling the uprising pulled out every trick in the book and broke every 'rule' to get the job done, and eventually kept the skinned skull of the lunatic, who called himself 'the Mahdi', on his desk as his paperweight. Then they departed those territories.

The point of all these examples is to show that war has its own rules. It's like a fire and it's not under anyone's control. There are no rules, it's cruel, awful stuff. There are no half-measures. But it's necessary at times, and we can't avoid it.

Suppose there's a fight between two cage fighters, on the street (not in the cage). One wants to use hands and feet. He only wants to KO the other guy then to responsibly run away and call the police. It's his birthday, he has a lovely French mistress waiting for him, a lovely BMW car, and everyone likes him. The other hates him for everything he has got. He wants it all, and he wants it now. So he doesn't want fight fair. He is ready to summon his friends to join in and help him out, and he is hiding a knife in his palm. Whereas his fortunate and blessed enemy is only willing to injure, he is ready to kill. Who's going to win? Whoever is prepared to up the ante in terms of violence. That's the reality of war in a nutshell. Nature is hard and it wants to test our worthiness to survive and reproduce. It does it either by disease or violent challenge, not by sport. Violence - even light violence - isn't a teacher. Never do anyone a minor injury, said Macchiavelli.

[Gauthier]

Yes, lets become the very thing we're fighting against! That'll show them.

Because our societies have been so safe, so fair, so just and so democratic, a great majority of us, not having lived through a war or had first-hand experience of one, have lost touch with the meaning of that three-letter word.

I am a great admirer of the ancient and magnificent country of France, and one of the reasons for that (though not the only one) is its republican system, underpinned by democracy and the rule of law.

HOWEVER...

America was under great pressure from the Japanese forces during WW2. It had no choice but to SUSPEND (not permanently revoke) its core republican and democratic values and inter all Japanese as suspects until the war was ended. That war was ended, not coincidentally, by massive assymetrical violence (2 hydrogen bombs). There is no mass internment of the Japanese in the US now. It happened only during the war.

The UK tortured dissidents in Northern Ireland for the best part of a century, deployed mass internment (rounding people up and holding them in prison camps) and punishments as it SUSPENDED equality under the rule of law in its disputed province of Northern Ireland until the territory was relatively pacified. It doesn't do so any longer, and the rule of law and democracy is returning to Northern Ireland.

In the 19th century a lunatic fanatic Mohammaden in the Sudan gained a massive following and started an uprising to depose British colonial rule. He was simply a predecessor of the current crop of fanatics. The British general charged with quelling the uprising pulled out every trick in the book and broke every 'rule' to get the job done, and eventually kept the skinned skull of the lunatic, who called himself 'the Mahdi', on his desk as his paperweight. Then they departed those territories.

The point of all these examples is to show that war has its own rules. It's like a fire and it's not under anyone's control. There are no rules, it's cruel, awful stuff. There are no half-measures. But it's necessary at times, and we can't avoid it.

Suppose there's a fight between two cage fighters, on the street (not in the cage). One wants to use hands and feet. He only wants to KO the other guy then to responsibly run away and call the police. It's his birthday, he has a lovely French mistress waiting for him, a lovely BMW car, and everyone likes him. The other hates him for everything he has got. He wants it all, and he wants it now. So he doesn't want fight fair. He is ready to summon his friends to join in and help him out, and he is hiding a knife in his palm. Whereas his fortunate and blessed enemy is only willing to injure, he is ready to kill. Who's going to win? Whoever is prepared to up the ante in terms of violence. That's the reality of war in a nutshell. Nature is hard and it wants to test our worthiness to survive and reproduce. It does it either by disease or violent challenge, not by sport. Violence - even light violence - isn't a teacher. Never do anyone a minor injury, said Macchiavelli.

Obviously that would scare the shit out of Daesh rather than make them jizz in their AIDS-ridden pants because that's giving them an All They Can Eat Propaganda Buffet.

[The Alexanderians]

Yes, lets become the very thing we're fighting against! That'll show them.

Because our societies have been so safe, so fair, so just and so democratic, a great majority of us, not having lived through a war or had first-hand experience of one, have lost touch with the meaning of that three-letter word.

I am a great admirer of the ancient and magnificent country of France, and one of the reasons for that (though not the only one) is its republican system, underpinned by democracy and the rule of law.

HOWEVER...

America was under great pressure from the Japanese forces during WW2. It had no choice but to SUSPEND (not permanently revoke) its core republican and democratic values and inter all Japanese as suspects until the war was ended. That war was ended, not coincidentally, by massive assymetrical violence (2 hydrogen bombs). There is no mass internment of the Japanese in the US now. It happened only during the war.

The UK tortured dissidents in Northern Ireland for the best part of a century, deployed mass internment (rounding people up and holding them in prison camps) and punishments as it SUSPENDED equality under the rule of law in its disputed province of Northern Ireland until the territory was relatively pacified. It doesn't do so any longer, and the rule of law and democracy is returning to Northern Ireland.

In the 19th century a lunatic fanatic Mohammaden in the Sudan gained a massive following and started an uprising to depose British colonial rule. He was simply a predecessor of the current crop of fanatics. The British general charged with quelling the uprising pulled out every trick in the book and broke every 'rule' to get the job done, and eventually kept the skinned skull of the lunatic, who called himself 'the Mahdi', on his desk as his paperweight. Then they departed those territories.

The point of all these examples is to show that war has its own rules. It's like a fire and it's not under anyone's control. There are no rules, it's cruel, awful stuff. There are no half-measures. But it's necessary at times, and we can't avoid it.

Suppose there's a fight between two cage fighters, on the street (not in the cage). One wants to use hands and feet. He only wants to KO the other guy then to responsibly run away and call the police. It's his birthday, he has a lovely French mistress waiting for him, a lovely BMW car, and everyone likes him. The other hates him for everything he has got. He wants it all, and he wants it now. So he doesn't want fight fair. He is ready to summon his friends to join in and help him out, and he is hiding a knife in his palm. Whereas his fortunate and blessed enemy is only willing to injure, he is ready to kill. Who's going to win? Whoever is prepared to up the ante in terms of violence. That's the reality of war in a nutshell. Nature is hard and it wants to test our worthiness to survive and reproduce. It does it either by disease or violent challenge, not by sport. Violence - even light violence - isn't a teacher. Never do anyone a minor injury, said Macchiavelli.

Those first two examples were done both unjustly, were counterproductive, and were ultimately unnecessary.

[Kapilana]

Obviously that would scare the shit out of Daesh rather than make them jizz in their AIDS-ridden pants because that's giving them an All They Can Eat Propaganda Buffet.

The winner is the one who gets to write history, not the loser. In this scenario, Da'esh having been completely eliminated down to the root bloodline, with every supporter and member dead, and every family whose member joined it subjected, humiliated and punished, there is no propaganda war. The object of a war is such as to make the OTHER side sue for peace. Not to sue for peace yourself using empty threats as is happening now (i.e. light aerial bombardment and pinpoint drone strikes exclusively on those morally culpable individuals against whom there is indisputable evidence).
Destroy them all or be destroyed. There is no propaganda war to win. You want to claim victory in a theo-cum-political propaganda war against some people's interpretation of what God wants them to do? Good luck with that. In reality, I think we're going to leave it too late to utterly destroy them. The consequence of leaving it too late is even worse. We should snuff it out and watch the light die from its eyes while it's a baby, not wait until it's a brazen and bold young man who won't even bother with the Islamic costume drama. It's them or us. And it won't be a war to end all wars. Every 50 years or so we have a major war, and we are long overdue. It may be an evolution/population thing.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Obviously that would scare the shit out of Daesh rather than make them jizz in their AIDS-ridden pants because that's giving them an All They Can Eat Propaganda Buffet.

The winner is the one who gets to write history, not the loser. In this scenario, Da'esh having been completely eliminated down to the root bloodline, with every supporter and member dead, and every family whose member joined it subjected, humiliated and punished, there is no propaganda war. The object of a war is such as to make the OTHER side sue for peace. Not to sue for peace yourself using empty threats as is happening now (i.e. light aerial bombardment and pinpoint drone strikes exclusively on those morally culpable individuals against whom there is indisputable evidence).
Destroy them all or be destroyed. There is no propaganda war to win. You want to claim victory in a theo-cum-political propaganda war against some people's interpretation of what God wants them to do? Good luck with that. In reality, I think we're going to leave it too late to utterly destroy them. The consequence of leaving it too late is even worse. We should snuff it out and watch the light die from its eyes while it's a baby, not wait until it's a brazen and bold young man who won't even bother with the Islamic costume drama. It's them or us. And it won't be a war to end all wars. Every 50 years or so we have a major war, and we are long overdue. It may be an evolution/population thing.

Damn son, that is some fear mongering bullshit right there.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The winner is the one who gets to write history, not the loser. In this scenario, Da'esh having been completely eliminated down to the root bloodline, with every supporter and member dead, and every family whose member joined it subjected, humiliated and punished, there is no propaganda war. The object of a war is such as to make the OTHER side sue for peace. Not to sue for peace yourself using empty threats as is happening now (i.e. light aerial bombardment and pinpoint drone strikes exclusively on those morally culpable individuals against whom there is indisputable evidence).
Destroy them all or be destroyed. There is no propaganda war to win. You want to claim victory in a theo-cum-political propaganda war against some people's interpretation of what God wants them to do? Good luck with that. In reality, I think we're going to leave it too late to utterly destroy them. The consequence of leaving it too late is even worse. We should snuff it out and watch the light die from its eyes while it's a baby, not wait until it's a brazen and bold young man who won't even bother with the Islamic costume drama. It's them or us. And it won't be a war to end all wars. Every 50 years or so we have a major war, and we are long overdue. It may be an evolution/population thing.

Damn son, that is some fear mongering bullshit right there.

Nothing like the smell of Genocide in the morning, amiright?

[Ostroeuropa]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/one-day- ... 6258.shtml

K.
I underestimated anonymous.

[Gauthier]

http://news.softpedia.com/news/one-day-later-anonymous-already-takes-down-3-824-pro-isis-twitter-accounts-496258.shtml

K.
I underestimated anonymous.

Overestimating them too. Short attention span.

[Ganos Lao]

tacitly supporting ISIS violence by saying 'well you brought it on yourselves by looking at us the wrong way', and blaming everyone else with 'you created ISIS by supporting Israel', 'you created Bin Laden by funding him against the Mujahideen', etc.

Because I clearly support ISIS violence by pointing out how ISIS even becoming a thing was perhaps rather preventable? There's a distinction to be made, I reckon, between pointing that out and going "man, fuk da West!11!" as you seem to think we're essentially doing.

Western countries have nukes but don't yet have the will to exterminate the threat or make it too afraid or demoralised to speak its own name.

You're bashing others as "tacitly supporting ISIS violence," yet essentially propose we magnify that by that much?

[Gauthier]

Damn son, that is some fear mongering bullshit right there.

Nothing like the smell of Genocide in the morning, amiright?

It's okay because they're all Evil Brown Muslims obviously.

[The Alma Mater]

Damn son, that is some fear mongering bullshit right there.

Nothing like the smell of Genocide in the morning, amiright?

Well, thanks to IS the footballmatch between Germany and the Netherlands has been canceled.
That justifies war, right ?

[Ganos Lao]

In reality, I think we're going to leave it too late to utterly destroy them. The consequence of leaving it too late is even worse.

Where have you been?

Western foreign policy for the past how many years now has been, especially in regards to the Middle East, leave it too late.

[Gauthier]

You're bashing others as "tacitly supporting ISIS violence," yet essentially propose we magnify that by that much?

The closest thing in the real world to having The Joker as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Chasing the Daesh Car.

[Kapilana]

Nothing like the smell of Genocide in the morning, amiright?

It's okay because they're all Evil Brown Muslims obviously.

Firstly, would you say that to Charles Martel expelling the Moorish invaders from France and Spain? Treat that as a rhetorical question please.

Secondly, sorry to burst your bubble with the leftist, tired, overused and now completely impotent 'Nazi' or 'fascist' name-calling for anyone who has a different view from yourself, but I am of Indian origin and brown-skinned myself. And this isn't a race war - many white converts have run to Somalia and other parts of Africa as well as to ISIS, and have committed well-documented atrocities in their terrorist careers. Not to mention, most Syrians are probably paler-skinned than me. So it's not about BROWN PEOPLE. It might be something to do with Islam. Then again, of course no TRUE Muslim would do anything bad, would he, as long as he votes socialist? And we are all to blame when someone starts shooting at us in a public place and should sue for peace and put pressure on our governments to stop supporting whichever countries these guys currently have beef with?

Are you French? Really.