French Attacks Megathread

[Parhe]

Because opposition to religion has always worked out so well in the past. We cannot judge either side by some extraordinary events or examples.

Yes we can. It's a systemic and structural problem that keeps churning out these incidents.

If you are then why would you support opposition to religion? That has hardly worked out in promoting human rights in states like North Korea in its early years. By contrast, religion has many times been advocates of human rights, such as the case of Christianity in Korea. Believe it or not, Secularism is not always the bastion of freedom and Religion is not always the bastion of oppression.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is awful.

My condolences to all the victims of this attack.

[Risottia]

Muslim or far-right terrorist, or whatever...how the hell did they get automatic weapons?

Weapons smuggling from the former Yugoslavia is quite popular in France.

Dude: Miramas ammunition depot of the French Army, July 7th.

[Havenburgh]

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/13/marine-le-pen-tops-another-french-presidency-poll/

*shudders*

*shudders with you*

[Islamic Republic of Aceh]

Well, whatever their nationalities or religious affiliations, this is very inhumane.

[Grave_n_idle]

Barack Obama: Killers' 'hateful vision'
Posted at 23:14
AP

Here's what US President Barack Obama said in the last hour on the attacks in Paris:

"Paris itself represents the timeless values of human progress. Those who think they can theorise the people of France or the values they stand for are wrong. It endures beyond terrorism and beyond those who are committed to these whose hateful vision were perpetrated this evening. We will do whatever we can to work with the French people to bring these terrorists to justice. We have been working with French people to offer our prayers to those wounded."

not very important, just thought I'd put it up

I think it's too early to say if it's 'not very important'.

[Ragnarum]

That is defeatist. These guys are getting grenades. Those are hard to get. Where do they get them?

On last July 7, an arsenal of the French military in Miramas (Provence) was breached and weapons were stolen. It was at least 180 detonators, 40 hand grenades, 10 packets of high-explosive.

I guess we have an idea about where they did get them.

Maybe, but then the gunmen would have to be using French military issue weaponry. There are far easier and far cheaper ways of getting weapons in France I'd imagine.

[Olerand]

Weapons smuggling from the former Yugoslavia is quite popular in France. Extremely ironically, I recall the Minister of the Interior presenting plans to parliament today or yesterday aiming to "crack down" on weapons smuggling. Ultimately useless of course, but what are the chances.

Yeah, you would think somebody would have cracked down after the last attack. Is the French government asleep at the wheel?

On sleeping pills, really.

They would never dare. Deploying the army is political suicide.

Depends.
If you use the army to provide more muscle for the police forces - thus freeing the police for the investigation job while the military controls the territory - it's useful. It worked fine against the Mafia in Sicily some 25 years ago.

But this would never fly in France. If the government declares martial law, the FN will sweep the elections next month.

[Lipnitia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZSIbutV8w8
LISTEN TO THE END CAREFULLY! YOU CAN HEAR ALLAHU AKBAR!

I couldn't. Perhaps it was allez with the police telling the people running to leave or get out?

Nope. Check out 1:03 till about 1:11

[Alyakia]

[PLUS
HOSTAGES BEING KILLED ONE BY ONE

police are going in now

[Liriena]

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TRANSLATION
not to feel in my country to be qualified constantly racist and intolerant
to see my people and my culture disappear
to hear " no confusion " at each attack not to be safe in my country
paris to see a fire and blood

PLUS
HOSTAGES BEING KILLED ONE BY ONE

Already using this horror as a prop for political propaganda? Have you no shame?

[Lydan]

Goodbye liberal, leftist Europe. It was nice knowing you.

[Valystria]

Right, because clearly it must be a false-flag operation staged by Marine le Pen to make muslims look bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

And what does that have anything to do with the post you're replying to?

[Grave_n_idle]

The best possible outcome from all of this is for the far right to sweep into power all across Europe.

Gross.

There's no tragedy so bad it can't be used to drive a xenophobic agenda.

[Olerand]

Weapons smuggling from the former Yugoslavia is quite popular in France.

Dude: Miramas ammunition depot of the French Army, July 7th.

Highly probable; but that was a one time occurrence. Most other weapons, for gangs and such, come from Eastern Europe.

[Risottia]

On last July 7, an arsenal of the French military in Miramas (Provence) was breached and weapons were stolen. It was at least 180 detonators, 40 hand grenades, 10 packets of high-explosive.

I guess we have an idea about where they did get them.

Maybe, but then the gunmen would have to be using French military issue weaponry.

Hand grenades and high-explosives are hardly recognisable moments after they've been used.

[Costa Fierro]

I couldn't. Perhaps it was allez with the police telling the people running to leave or get out?

Nope. Check out 1:03 till about 1:11

I listened it to it. I don't hear it.

[Novus America]

Yeah, you can but there's getting them to the buyer. That's gotta be extremely hard to do, it's not like your smuggling a bit of weed...It's a ------- weapon.

It happens here in America all the time bruh. It is possible.

No. We have lots of handguns. Semi auto rifles. Grenade attacks and attacks with full auto weapons do not happen.

[Kraylandia]

Yeah, you can but there's getting them to the buyer. That's gotta be extremely hard to do, it's not like your smuggling a bit of weed...It's a fucking weapon.

Actually, weed would be quite a bit harder to smuggle than grenades.

(Although both are smuggled often enough)

No, it's not.

[Valyrian Freeholds]

Barack Obama: Killers' 'hateful vision'
Posted at 23:14
AP

Here's what US President Barack Obama said in the last hour on the attacks in Paris:

"Paris itself represents the timeless values of human progress. Those who think they can theorise the people of France or the values they stand for are wrong. It endures beyond terrorism and beyond those who are committed to these whose hateful vision were perpetrated this evening. We will do whatever we can to work with the French people to bring these terrorists to justice. We have been working with French people to offer our prayers to those wounded."

not very important, just thought I'd put it up

I think it's too early to say if it's 'not very important'.

I consider the stats and perps more important currently, that's why it has smaller text than the others.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

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TRANSLATION
not to feel in my country to be qualified constantly racist and intolerant
to see my people and my culture disappear
to hear " no confusion " at each attack not to be safe in my country
paris to see a fire and blood

PLUS
HOSTAGES BEING KILLED ONE BY ONE

Already using this horror as a prop for political propaganda? Have you no shame?

If Joseph McCarthy didn't why should they?

[Mike from Progressive]

Goodbye liberal, leftist Europe. It was nice knowing you.

I wouldn't say the left is dead just yet. But I'd say do this a few more times and it will be beaten back some.

[Aelex]

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TRANSLATION
not to feel in my country to be qualified constantly racist and intolerant
to see my people and my culture disappear
to hear " no confusion " at each attack not to be safe in my country
paris to see a fire and blood

PLUS
HOSTAGES BEING KILLED ONE BY ONE

A more accurate translation would be :

"I'm sick and tired
to feel a stranger in my own country, to be called constantly racist and intolerant
to see my people and my culture disappear
to hear "not every "..." " at each attack, to not feel safe in my own country
to see Paris being plundered again and again"

[Ifreann]

A source on Sky News has just stated that "A large number of attackers were French". Whether this is true or not, I don't know.

as far as we know they were all born in france

I'm guessing most people in France are French, so on that alone the attackers are probably French.

[Afrigidoloco]

Goodbye liberal, leftist Europe. It was nice knowing you.

This is exactly what I'm worried about attacks like this transforming Europe into another America.