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Postby Rejeistan » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Reposting this because I think that some people here need to read it.

Terrorists are people. I'm not saying that we should not deal with them appropriately, with lethal force when they threaten innocent lives.

That said, they are people. The reason I am saying this, is so that we do not dehumanize them, and thus fail to understand them.

They are people, somehow, multiple people were convinced that this horrible crime was a good idea.

So, how did this happen? This is the question we need to ask, so that we can stop it. Not "How can we kill all of them as brutally as we can?", this is the question that the terrorists asked themselves. They were convinced that the average Parisian deserves death, and with that conclusion, they searched for the best way to achieve that goal.

We need to ask ourselves how people can be convinced to do this, and how we can stop this, how we can deter them, convince them that this is not a good idea.

Banning Islamic objects and wear only serves to show them a symbol of how they have terrified us into submission, it shows them that they had an impact on the free world.

The only consequence of their actions was to ruin the lives of dozens of innocents people. We need to remind them of that, show them the horror they have committed to innocent fucking people who did nothing to them, and then show them that even that, their best attempt at slaughter, had no effect on our legislation.

Secular humanism and civil rights are not so fragile that a few Kalashnikovs and grenades can destroy it. Show them that, and let them be the ones to fear.

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Fuck the terrorists.

The best way to tell them 'fuck you' is to let them know that they have had no effect. Don't ban the burqa or the niqab, show them that our values matter and we stand by them. Show them that freedom, liberty, and brotherhood matter, that there's nothing a bunch of fucking assholes with guns can do to bring that down.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

AFP reporting "about 100" people killed at concert hall. Not confirmed yet.

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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Risottia wrote:RaiNews24 reports: French police say 100 people dead at the Bataclan alone.

Fuck...

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Postby Lydan » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:AFP: '100 dead in Bataclan'
Posted at 00:14

AFP quotes police sources as saying about 100 people have been killed in the Bataclan concert venue.

Well... Fuck.
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Postby Planita » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Excuse me guys, -- maybe I'm slow.

But why - and I'm not trolling, just really confused - why is it so controversial that they report it? Because they are not only telling that people died, but also doing that in an inappropriate way? :unsure:

It's alleged that CNN reported that hostages in a live hostage situation were secretly texting the authorities or whoever to get info out.

It's further alleged that the hostage-takers found this out, because it was being livestreamed literally everywhere, and started killing hostages because of it.

CNN is now culpable for the deaths of those hostages. They put their lives in direct danger.

Sue them.

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Postby The Lone Alliance » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Empire de Francais wrote:This is the straw that is going to break the back of all those who are sick and tired of dealing with shite like this.

I'm not going to be suprised when this goes even farther, and we start calling for interventions in the Middle East beyond normal "West-friendly" approaches.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:AFP: '100 dead in Bataclan'
Posted at 00:14

AFP quotes police sources as saying about 100 people have been killed in the Bataclan concert venue.

If ISIS is behind this, we really need to bomb them into oblivion. Or send troops.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Risottia wrote:No, actually.

Just last week, 244 people were killed in a single action by terrorists over the Sinai peninsula. And I'm sure in Nigeria Boko Haram has conducted actions with a higher toll than the latest Paris attacks.

Not to mention attacks such on this scale were about a weekly occurrence for the people of Baghdad for a few years.

Of course, most people here are from North America and Europe, hence such an attack in Paris is bound to impress us more than a blast killing tens in, let's say, Beirut.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Excuse me guys, -- maybe I'm slow.

But why - and I'm not trolling, just really confused - why is it so controversial that they report it? Because they are not only telling that people died, but also doing that in an inappropriate way? :unsure:

It's alleged that CNN reported that hostages in a live hostage situation were secretly texting the authorities or whoever to get info out.

It's further alleged that the hostage-takers found this out, because it was being livestreamed literally everywhere, and started killing hostages because of it.

CNN is now culpable for the deaths of those hostages. They put their lives in direct danger.


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Postby Alyakia » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Excuse me guys, -- maybe I'm slow.

But why - and I'm not trolling, just really confused - why is it so controversial that they report it? Because they are not only telling that people died, but also doing that in an inappropriate way? :unsure:

It's alleged that CNN reported that hostages in a live hostage situation were secretly texting the authorities or whoever to get info out.

It's further alleged that the hostage-takers found this out, because it was being livestreamed literally everywhere, and started killing hostages because of it.

CNN is now culpable for the deaths of those hostages. They put their lives in direct danger.


i will try and find a concrete recording/link of this later. i understand hydesland's hesitation but let's just say it's not the first time CNN has seriously fucked up and almost gotten people killed.
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Postby Valystria » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Excuse me guys, -- maybe I'm slow.

But why - and I'm not trolling, just really confused - why is it so controversial that they report it? Because they are not only telling that people died, but also doing that in an inappropriate way? :unsure:

It's alleged that CNN reported that hostages in a live hostage situation were secretly texting the authorities or whoever to get info out.

It's further alleged that the hostage-takers found this out, because it was being livestreamed literally everywhere, and started killing hostages because of it.

CNN is now culpable for the deaths of those hostages. They put their lives in direct danger.

Anything for the ratings boosts, apparently.

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Postby Gim » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Two gunmen in the Bataclan have been killed. Unfortunate for the gunmen, but a relief for the victims and their family members, sine they are now free from danger.
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Postby Talvezout » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Valyrian Freeholds wrote:AFP: '100 dead in Bataclan'
Posted at 00:14

AFP quotes police sources as saying about 100 people have been killed in the Bataclan concert venue.


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Postby Hydesland » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:AFP reporting "about 100" people killed at concert hall. Not confirmed yet.


BBC too.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Jesus fucking Christ. The blood hasn't even been cleaned up and you people are already politicizing it. What is wrong with you? Is that all these victims are to you? Some excuse to argue over European politics and Islamic extremism? Their blood is just political hot sauce on an immigration enchilada? Their grieving families are just little pawns for you to checkmate your online enemies?

Just stop arguing and think for a goddamned minute. Reports are emerging that the crisis is ending, that law enforcement has solved the situation. Think of what the people involved are thinking. Think of the injured. Think of the brave men and women trying to save lives out there. Think of the victims and their families. Think of the families and friends of every person in that area. Some of them haven't heard anything from them yet. Are they dead? Are they hostages? Are they all right? The human suffering surrounding this immense, and the first thing you do? You sit down at your computer and say, "hurr, hurr, I told you, ebil Mozlumz." What. The. Fuck.

You people should be ashamed. Within 20 minutes you corrupted this from a time to offer condolences and prayers into petty political mudslinging.
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Postby Parhe » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Parhe wrote:People dying does not mean it was not justified. The Korean War was definitely justified for South Korea and the United States and the opposite cannot be argued based off the fact that it was not a total success. Same applies to the Second World War. Without it Japan would have continued running rampant, conducting human experiments, and trying to forcibly erase cultures.

Wars end in sort of status quos or more wars.

Are you saying all wars, some wars, most wars, or what? At this point, with the information, I am going to assume the first. But I am not seeing how this makes it so specific wars are justified or not.

Nobody stopped us from forcibly almost destroying cultures(yes, the Natives), and they ended up fine.

You would have a hard time explaining to many of the Natives how they "ended up fine." If I recall, they still have the highest rate of hate crimes against them, surpassing Black/African Americans by some good margin. Perhaps you could define "fine" for me so I can understand what perspective you are saying this from.

Also, the Cold War is pretty much responsible for the Korean WE

This has nothing to do with whether the Korean War was justified or not. Also, Japan is by far the one at fault for the division. Perhaps if it didn't annex Korea, which was not through war but diplomacy (although an illegal contract as it did not gain the Emperor's permission), and ran a propaganda campaign before and during trying to convince the world that Korea could not govern itself Korea would not have been divided.

It seems you are judging wars as justified or not based off the aftermath. We may be able to evaluate the effectiveness and success of a conflict in that way but we cannot judge one as justified or not based off what was not known or expected. I am not very knowledgeable in the subject, but I thought the Cold War, which itself was not an actual war, was slated to happen regardless of the Second World War.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Risottia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Not to mention attacks such on this scale were about a weekly occurrence for the people of Baghdad for a few years.

Of course, most people here are from North America and Europe, hence such an attack in Paris is bound to impress us more than a blast killing tens in, let's say, Beirut.

Indeed.

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Postby Olerand » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Most of Islam has precisely zero involvement in this story.

What a charming thought. I'm afraid this will shortly turn out to be bullshit.

Well, I mean, who knows; the FN might claim this anytime now. It's not always Muslim terrorists, you guys!
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:AFP reporting "about 100" people killed at concert hall. Not confirmed yet.

Please no...
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Postby Harkback Union » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Man, this coverage, all you see is policeman wandering around their vans. Where is the aerial footage? Where are the horrified witnesses? The gunfights?

Didn't anyone tell the terrorists to bring cameras? Don't the local media have drones to fly in and film the hostages? The least would be a live report from outside the music hall!

And what kind of lousy terrorist attack is this? No skyscrapers toppled? No Eiffel sinking into the Saine? This is nowhere near as exciting as 9/11.

Condolences to the relatives of the victims, and to the relatives of the dozens dead in the Ankara bombing... aand to the thousands dead from similar attacks that happen every week in the middle east. I wish everyone was this terrified when this shit happened outside the west, instead of brushing it off and carrying on.

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Postby Olerand » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Herrebrugh wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:AFP reporting "about 100" people killed at concert hall. Not confirmed yet.

Please no...

Reports they shot them one by one, execution style.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Oh, fucking hell...
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Postby Blakullar » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

100 dead at the Bataclan. Shit.
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Postby The Central Shadow Nation » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Valystria wrote:
The Central Shadow Nation wrote:They were shouting,

This is for Syria,this is for Allah Akbar.

We have some words on the gunners.

Any moment now someone will say "but we don't know for sure these were muslims. It could be a far-right false flag operation."


Possibly. But what about the douchebag reporters? And the poor one that last contact,possibly dead?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:18 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Herargon wrote:
Excuse me guys, -- maybe I'm slow.

But why - and I'm not trolling, just really confused - why is it so controversial that they report it? Because they are not only telling that people died, but also doing that in an inappropriate way? :unsure:

It's alleged that CNN reported that hostages in a live hostage situation were secretly texting the authorities or whoever to get info out.

It's further alleged that the hostage-takers found this out, because it was being livestreamed literally everywhere, and started killing hostages because of it.

CNN is now culpable for the deaths of those hostages. They put their lives in direct danger.


Where is it being alleged that hostage takers were targeting hostages based upon CNN reports? Outside of your post, I mean.

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