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Postby Constantinopolis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:30 pm

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:No it's not. On the contrary, in many parts of the non-Western world the concept of left and right is far stronger, to the extent that people from the two sides have their own semi-separate cultures and almost never talk to each other.

Communism has been more popular in the non-Western world than in the Western world since at least the 1960s-70s. And today, the socialist movement (broadly defined) is doing much better in the non-Western world than in the Western world. I am talking especially about Latin America, and to a lesser extent South Asia.

Asia? I don't know where you're getting your information from but I can assure you that Asia is not the great hotbed of socialism that you believe it to be. In fact, socialist parties have never done well (save for maybe India's Congress Party) in the Asian region and rightly so, as most voters have opted to trust in the capitalist/corporatist model.

I specifically said South Asia, also broadly known as the Indian subcontinent. Despite recent setbacks, India still has two of the largest and most popular Communist Parties in the world - the CPI (M) and CPI (M-L) - not to mention a Maoist insurgency in the countryside. And Nepal had a leftist revolution that toppled the monarchy less than a decade ago.

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Constantinopolis wrote:No it's not. On the contrary, in many parts of the non-Western world the concept of left and right is far stronger, to the extent that people from the two sides have their own semi-separate cultures and almost never talk to each other.

Communism has been more popular in the non-Western world than in the Western world since at least the 1960s-70s. And today, the socialist movement (broadly defined) is doing much better in the non-Western world than in the Western world. I am talking especially about Latin America, and to a lesser extent South Asia.

Where? Outside of Latin America, which I consider a descendant of Western culture and thus similar to it -if not outright a part of it-; where is the concept of left and right "strong"? Certainly not in Africa, where politics itself is vague; nor in West Asia -where the left does not concretely exist- or in East Asia -where the left is either weak (S.Korea, Japan) or capitalist/corporatist (the communist countries).

The left-right division broke down in Africa recently, after the end of the Cold War and the rise of the neoliberal consensus, but from the time of independence until the early 1990s it was as strong as anywhere else.

In West Asia, "Arab socialism" used to represent the left (think Nasser), but, like in Africa, this left ceased to exist in recent decades, as Arab socialist states adopted neoliberal reforms and popular support for the original ideology vanished.

In East Asia, there are a lot of rank-and-file members of the official Communist Parties in China and Vietnam who are upset about the capitalist road embraced by the leadership, but there's nothing they can do about it... for now. And outside of the "communist countries", there is a left-wing insurgency in the Philippines, and a strong trade union movement in South Korea (not socialist, but left-wing).

The point is, in all these parts of the world where it doesn't look like a left-right division exists, that's because the left has been pushed aside from mainstream politics in the 1990s, after the fall of the Soviet Union. But, as the European far-right shows us, "dead" political movements can come back to life decades later. The European far-right "died" in the 1940s, and look at it now!

If they can come back from the dead, so can we.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:30 pm

The Greater Aryan Race wrote:
Olerand wrote:The right is less so and less so, however, wouldn't you say? Except for Germany, or yet again, Merkel; the French media has been reporting on the growing rift between the CSU/Schauble/de Maizière and Merkel today.

Well, neither is Britain's model. At least in ours, our politicians will not accept a fragment of the reactionary things that the British will accept for the sake of "good relations" or "multiculturalism".

Tbh isn't the rift between Merkel and the CSU mainly over her decision to welcome the refugees into Europe when most of the other European states have dug their hands into their pockets instead?

Britain's model is the way it is because no sane politician who wants to remain in Whitehall will recommend mending British immigration policy without charges of "Racist!" and "Xenophobe!". The last politician to try that was Enoch Powell and look where that got him

Yeah. As in encouraging immigration. Merkel coming out, unilaterally and without consulting anyone, and declaring Germany will no longer respect the Dublin Agreement and that Syrians/those who allege to be Syrian are automatically refugees and that Germany can accommodate up to 800,000 migrants a year; is encouraging immigration, no? And the German right is accepting less and less of that.

I agree.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:32 pm

Baltenstein wrote:I think you should stop using the word "Anglo-Saxon" that often. It's as weird as calling the French people "Gauls" or "Franks".


But what else are you suppose to refer to the filthy barbarians who oppose the Pax Romana as?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:33 pm

Olerand wrote:Um...I'm not right-wing, though. I'm a laïcard social-democrat Jacobin through and through; but to Anglo-Saxon liberals, my opposition to multiculturalism apparently makes me right-wing. And the Anglo-Saxon world not being the world at large, and the left and its foundation not being a creation of theirs, I don't think they should get to decide what it is for everyone.


This is just a headsup. The use of Anglo-Saxon it a little bit offensive to those of us who are really not of that heritage. Just think of me calling you Norman.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:34 pm

"Anglo-Saxon" is a pretty standard and well-established term used in Continental Europe as a collective name for the cultures and politics of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:34 pm

Baltenstein wrote:I think you should stop using the word "Anglo-Saxon" that often. It's as weird as calling the French people "Gauls" or "Franks".

Anglo-Saxon is a very common term in Continental Europe when referring to the Anglo world. Is Gauls or Franks popular in the Anglo world when referring to the Francophone world?

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The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Asia? I don't know where you're getting your information from but I can assure you that Asia is not the great hotbed of socialism that you believe it to be. In fact, socialist parties have never done well (save for maybe India's Congress Party) in the Asian region and rightly so, as most voters have opted to trust in the capitalist/corporatist model.

I specifically said South Asia, also broadly known as the Indian subcontinent. Despite recent setbacks, India still has two of the largest and most popular Communist Parties in the world - the CPI (M) and CPI (M-L) - not to mention a Maoist insurgency in the countryside. And Nepal had a leftist revolution that toppled the monarchy less than a decade ago.

Olerand wrote:And yet the Worker's League and New Anti-Capitalist Party have no qualms on standing on the side of the Islamists every time the mainstream parties attack them. Perhaps because, in their eyes, they are "oppressed", and like for Anglo-Saxon liberals, being a "marginalized" group makes it necessary to defend you.


Where? Outside of Latin America, which I consider a descendant of Western culture and thus similar to it -if not outright a part of it-; where is the concept of left and right "strong"? Certainly not in Africa, where politics itself is vague; nor in West Asia -where the left does not concretely exist- or in East Asia -where the left is either weak (S.Korea, Japan) or capitalist/corporatist (the communist countries).

The left-right division broke down in Africa recently, after the end of the Cold War and the rise of the neoliberal consensus, but from the time of independence until the early 1990s it was as strong as anywhere else.

In West Asia, "Arab socialism" used to represent the left (think Nasser), but, like in Africa, this left ceased to exist in recent decades, as Arab socialist states adopted neoliberal reforms and popular support for the original ideology vanished.

In East Asia, there are a lot of rank-and-file members of the official Communist Parties in China and Vietnam who are upset about the capitalist road embraced by the leadership, but there's nothing they can do about it... for now. And outside of the "communist countries", there is a left-wing insurgency in the Philippines, and a strong trade union movement in South Korea (not socialist, but left-wing).

The point is, in all these parts of the world where it doesn't look like a left-right division exists, that's because the left has been pushed aside from mainstream politics in the 1990s, after the fall of the Soviet Union. But, as the European far-right shows us, "dead" political movements can come back to life decades later. The European far-right "died" in the 1940s, and look at it now!

If they can come back from the dead, so can we.

True enough. So the left today basically no longer exists in vast swaths of the world.

As for East Asia, well, the rank and file don't form governments or control the State, however. The Communist Party might have actual communists as members, but it sure as hell ain't communist.

Who is we? The European left? Well technically it's not yet dead. And judging by the road it's currently going on, it's nowhere near resurrection either.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:35 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Olerand wrote:Um...I'm not right-wing, though. I'm a laïcard social-democrat Jacobin through and through; but to Anglo-Saxon liberals, my opposition to multiculturalism apparently makes me right-wing. And the Anglo-Saxon world not being the world at large, and the left and its foundation not being a creation of theirs, I don't think they should get to decide what it is for everyone.


This is just a headsup. The use of Anglo-Saxon it a little bit offensive to those of us who are really not of that heritage. Just think of me calling you Norman.


To my knowledge, people of English heritage are not even the ethnic majority among white Americans - there are more German-Americans and Irish-Americans, statistically speaking.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:36 pm

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Fartsniffage wrote:
This is just a headsup. The use of Anglo-Saxon it a little bit offensive to those of us who are really not of that heritage. Just think of me calling you Norman.


To my knowledge, people of English heritage are not even the ethnic majority among white Americans - there are more German-Americans and Irish-Americans, statistically speaking.


No idea. I'm British.

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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Olerand wrote:Um...I'm not right-wing, though. I'm a laïcard social-democrat Jacobin through and through; but to Anglo-Saxon liberals, my opposition to multiculturalism apparently makes me right-wing. And the Anglo-Saxon world not being the world at large, and the left and its foundation not being a creation of theirs, I don't think they should get to decide what it is for everyone.


This is just a headsup. The use of Anglo-Saxon it a little bit offensive to those of us who are really not of that heritage. Just think of me calling you Norman.

Well it's not meant to be offensive. It's quite common. And if you're not of the Anglo-Saxon world, then you're not concerned in the appellation, no?

Also, I wouldn't be Norman, I'm from the south-west, the old province of Aunis.

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Baltenstein wrote:I think you should stop using the word "Anglo-Saxon" that often. It's as weird as calling the French people "Gauls" or "Franks".


But what else are you suppose to refer to the filthy barbarians who oppose the Pax Romana as?

But that's not even what it is supposed to mean. I mean if the simple appellation Anglo-Saxon is offensive, how should we respond to the way the Anglo media paint us almost daily?
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:37 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
This is just a headsup. The use of Anglo-Saxon it a little bit offensive to those of us who are really not of that heritage. Just think of me calling you Norman.


To my knowledge, people of English heritage are not even the ethnic majority among white Americans - there are more German-Americans and Irish-Americans, statistically speaking.

It's not ethnic. It's ideological. A way of life, a way of looking at politics and the economy etc.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:37 pm

Anglo-Saxon is a very common term in Continental Europe when referring to the Anglo world. Is Gauls or Franks popular in the Anglo world when referring to the Francophone world?


If it was, would you accept it?
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:38 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
In West Asia, "Arab socialism" used to represent the left (think Nasser), but, like in Africa, this left ceased to exist in recent decades, as Arab socialist states adopted neoliberal reforms and popular support for the original ideology vanished.


I would like to add that Arab Socialism was coined by Michael Aflaq, the father of Baathism which is really a form of fascism. Baathist Arab socialism really just meant modernization. People like Gaddafi who were inspired by Nasser actually created a socialist society but he never called it Arab socialism.

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Postby Constantinopolis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:39 pm

Olerand wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:The left-right division broke down in Africa recently, after the end of the Cold War and the rise of the neoliberal consensus, but from the time of independence until the early 1990s it was as strong as anywhere else.

In West Asia, "Arab socialism" used to represent the left (think Nasser), but, like in Africa, this left ceased to exist in recent decades, as Arab socialist states adopted neoliberal reforms and popular support for the original ideology vanished.

In East Asia, there are a lot of rank-and-file members of the official Communist Parties in China and Vietnam who are upset about the capitalist road embraced by the leadership, but there's nothing they can do about it... for now. And outside of the "communist countries", there is a left-wing insurgency in the Philippines, and a strong trade union movement in South Korea (not socialist, but left-wing).

The point is, in all these parts of the world where it doesn't look like a left-right division exists, that's because the left has been pushed aside from mainstream politics in the 1990s, after the fall of the Soviet Union. But, as the European far-right shows us, "dead" political movements can come back to life decades later. The European far-right "died" in the 1940s, and look at it now!

If they can come back from the dead, so can we.

True enough. So the left today basically no longer exists in vast swaths of the world.

It no longer exists as part of mainstream politics in vast swaths of the world.

It still exists as a radical "fringe" movement, however... which is pretty much the same status it had before 1917.

Politically, the end of the Cold War basically threw us back to the 19th century.
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Postby The Greater Aryan Race » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:42 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:I specifically said South Asia, also broadly known as the Indian subcontinent. Despite recent setbacks, India still has two of the largest and most popular Communist Parties in the world - the CPI (M) and CPI (M-L) - not to mention a Maoist insurgency in the countryside. And Nepal had a leftist revolution that toppled the monarchy less than a decade ago.

Largest and most popular in terms of what? Membership? Political representation in the Lok Sabha? The two parties have little to no real significant political clout in Indian politics. And neither do the Naxalites who frankly, can continue their insurgency for as long as they want. They'll never be able to win.

Yes Nepal has had a leftist revolution but are we actually seeing the first stages of real existing socialism being implemented there? Seems like the government is heavily deadlocked and no tangible progress has been made.

Olerand wrote:Yeah. As in encouraging immigration. Merkel coming out, unilaterally and without consulting anyone, and declaring Germany will no longer respect the Dublin Agreement and that Syrians/those who allege to be Syrian are automatically refugees and that Germany can accommodate up to 800,000 migrants a year; is encouraging immigration, no? And the German right is accepting less and less of that.

I agree.

Isn't it simply a temporary measure to house the refugees/migrants until the situation in Syria has eased up before the refugees/migrants are repatriated back? Eh what the heck, as long as the German Right makes a comeback, I suppose it matters little anyway.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:44 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Olerand wrote:True enough. So the left today basically no longer exists in vast swaths of the world.

It no longer exists as part of mainstream politics in vast swaths of the world.

It still exists as a radical "fringe" movement, however... which is pretty much the same status it had before 1917.

Politically, the end of the Cold War basically threw us back to the 19th century.


Stalin was right when he said "What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost."

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:48 pm

Isn't it simply a temporary measure to house the refugees/migrants until the situation in Syria has eased up before the refugees/migrants are repatriated back?


One of the key reasons why there has been such a severe backlash against Merkel in German public opinion is that the German government has been considerably (and uncharacteristically) nebulous about its views and plans on the whole ordeal. On the one hand, they refer to the people in question as refugees - aka people who will leave once their homeland has become safe again. On the other, they keep saying things how German society has to integrate them in order for them to become proper German citizens etc.
The people in charge are very weirdly blurring the differences between "immigrant" and "refugee", giving the impression that they themselves don't really know what's going on.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:53 pm

Distruzio wrote:... how is leftism to blame for the immigration crisis?

We're to blame for fucking everything bad that happens to a white person, Distruzio, you should know this by now.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:55 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Distruzio wrote:... how is leftism to blame for the immigration crisis?

We're to blame for fucking everything bad that happens to a white person, Distruzio, you should know this by now.


Okay come on. How many times have we blamed the right for things?

... to be fair... it was mostly the religious right for me. but still
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:57 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:We're to blame for fucking everything bad that happens to a white person, Distruzio, you should know this by now.

Okay come on. How many times have we blamed the right for things?

... to be fair... it was mostly the religious right for me. but still

I blame capitalists for things capitalists cause.

And I wouldn't consider you a leftist anyway.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:Okay come on. How many times have we blamed the right for things?

... to be fair... it was mostly the religious right for me. but still

I blame capitalists for things capitalists cause.

And I wouldn't consider you a leftist anyway.


It's not like the left is free from doing the same.

I walked into that one. Can't blame you there with my capitalism tendencies. I only consider my self very tiny bit left cause... universal health care, and stuff like that.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:02 pm

Olerand wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
To my knowledge, people of English heritage are not even the ethnic majority among white Americans - there are more German-Americans and Irish-Americans, statistically speaking.

It's not ethnic. It's ideological. A way of life, a way of looking at politics and the economy etc.

I took a quick sniff. Bullshit confirmed.
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:03 pm

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Anglo-Saxon is a very common term in Continental Europe when referring to the Anglo world. Is Gauls or Franks popular in the Anglo world when referring to the Francophone world?


If it was, would you accept it?

Sure. Why wouldn't I?
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:06 pm

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Olerand wrote:It's not ethnic. It's ideological. A way of life, a way of looking at politics and the economy etc.

I took a quick sniff. Bullshit confirmed.

Uhm...Strong words about a subject you are not familiar with and do not understand.

Why would an English dictionary define a term it is not familiar with?

Here is a French dictionary's definition, since this is a term used in France -and thus relating to French dictionaries- and not in England -thus not relating to English dictionaries-.

http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/anglo-saxon_anglo-saxonne/3525
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Postby Olerand » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:10 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Olerand wrote:True enough. So the left today basically no longer exists in vast swaths of the world.

It no longer exists as part of mainstream politics in vast swaths of the world.

It still exists as a radical "fringe" movement, however... which is pretty much the same status it had before 1917.

Politically, the end of the Cold War basically threw us back to the 19th century.

Alright, fair enough. Still no resurrection in sight, however.
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Constantinopolis wrote:I specifically said South Asia, also broadly known as the Indian subcontinent. Despite recent setbacks, India still has two of the largest and most popular Communist Parties in the world - the CPI (M) and CPI (M-L) - not to mention a Maoist insurgency in the countryside. And Nepal had a leftist revolution that toppled the monarchy less than a decade ago.

Largest and most popular in terms of what? Membership? Political representation in the Lok Sabha? The two parties have little to no real significant political clout in Indian politics. And neither do the Naxalites who frankly, can continue their insurgency for as long as they want. They'll never be able to win.

Yes Nepal has had a leftist revolution but are we actually seeing the first stages of real existing socialism being implemented there? Seems like the government is heavily deadlocked and no tangible progress has been made.

Olerand wrote:Yeah. As in encouraging immigration. Merkel coming out, unilaterally and without consulting anyone, and declaring Germany will no longer respect the Dublin Agreement and that Syrians/those who allege to be Syrian are automatically refugees and that Germany can accommodate up to 800,000 migrants a year; is encouraging immigration, no? And the German right is accepting less and less of that.

I agree.

Isn't it simply a temporary measure to house the refugees/migrants until the situation in Syria has eased up before the refugees/migrants are repatriated back? Eh what the heck, as long as the German Right makes a comeback, I suppose it matters little anyway.

She never mentioned it being temporary, initially. She was overwhelmed with the thought of cheap labour, and German leftists with naive altruism and shocking disconnect with reality. Now, she says it could be temporary, as de Maizière has proposed making it as such, and making familiar regroupment harder too. But de Maizière is moving quite independently now, without Merkel's pre-acceptance.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:33 pm

She never mentioned it being temporary, initially. She was overwhelmed with the thought of cheap labour


This whole "Germany wanted the refugees as cheap labour" is a made-up myth, really. We don't live in the Fifties, and the German economy has absolutely no use for these newcomers. The economic experts in the German government were - and still are - aware of that.
Heck, German asylum law even prohibts refugees from picking up a job.
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