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Postby Trumpostan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Last time I check it was right wingers like Ronnie Reagan who funded the mujahideen not Nelson Mandela

That's what Mandela wants you do think.


So all this time, Mandela used the force on us weak-minded people? No wonder we only found out after his death :blink:
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Postby New Benian Republic » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:19 am

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Eol Sha wrote:Japan wasn't really "fascist".


Fascism is really hard to define and has been turned into some kind of catch all term for all expansionist/imperialist regimes then and ever since. Under some definitions even today's USA would be fascist, and under others it would not be.

Germany was Nazi.
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Postby New Benian Republic » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:19 am

Trumpostan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's what Mandela wants you do think.


So all this time, Mandela used the force on us weak-minded people? No wonder we only found out after his death :blink:

Nelson mandela used militant tactics.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:21 am

Trumpostan wrote:
Merimee wrote:If you speak out against illegal immigration the left says you are against ALL immigration. If you speak out against radical islamists then the left says you are against ALL of islam. Good luck talking sense to the leftists...these special snowflakes are still waiting for their gun-free zones and safe-speech zones to work (while riding unicorns on rainbows).


If you speak out against war the right says you are a traitor who doesn't want to defend freedom. If you speak out against conservative christians looking to deny women rights, the right says you're infringing on religious liberty. If you point out that the Reagan administration was one of the most criminal of all time, the right is indignant because you dared to 'attack Saint Ronnie'. Those special right wing snowflakes are still waiting for their trickle-down economics and their 'bombing brown people' strategies to work.

See how easy this is? :)


Both the modern "left" and "right" are completely morally and intellectually bankrupt.

All political parties should disband. And maybe we should look at pragmatic approaches instead of blind ideology and corrupt special interests. On both sides.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:23 am

"Let's destroy everything about our political system" isn't exactly "pragmatic".
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Postby Maximus Naturalis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:23 am

New Benian Republic wrote:
Trumpostan wrote:
Fascism is really hard to define and has been turned into some kind of catch all term for all expansionist/imperialist regimes then and ever since. Under some definitions even today's USA would be fascist, and under others it would not be.

Germany was Nazi.

Which is a specific fascist ''movement'' and therefore support Trumpostan's stance. Fascism is a broad term that is applicable for a lot of opinions.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:25 am

Maximus Naturalis wrote:
New Benian Republic wrote:Germany was Nazi.

Which is a specific fascist ''movement'' and therefore support Trumpostan's stance. Fascism is a broad term that is applicable for a lot of opinions.

And according to Bill O'Reilly, fascism even includes college protesting.
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Postby Arkinesia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:25 am

Nerotysia wrote:China is not ultra-nationalist.

Obviously. I mean, they're just raping Africa for their own interests, building artificial islands to serve as bases, sending warships to enforce claims they don't have, expanding their military rapidly, and trying to strongarm other countries into not entering FTAs like the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Yep, not ultranationalist at all.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:26 am

Daburuetchi wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:But, yes, I know what side you and the other lefties are on. Collaborators.


Last time I check it was right wingers like Ronnie Reagan who funded the mujahideen not Nelson Mandela


Mandela despite the hagiography was no saint either. Just because he opposed a bad regime does not make him some unblemished superhero.

Again both the modern left and right are beyond saving and need to be replaced with something new.
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Postby Trumpostan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:27 am

Novus America wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Last time I check it was right wingers like Ronnie Reagan who funded the mujahideen not Nelson Mandela


Mandela despite the hagiography was no saint either. Just because he opposed a bad regime does not make him some unblemished superhero.


Mandela never made a secret out of his anti-government tactics. And considering government terrorism against black people in South Africa, he really had no choice. The ANC tried dialogue for decades, the government told them to eff off and installed Apartheid.
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Postby Maximus Naturalis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:28 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Nerotysia wrote:China is not ultra-nationalist.

Obviously. I mean, they're just raping Africa for their own interests, building artificial islands to serve as bases, sending warships to enforce claims they don't have, expanding their military rapidly, and trying to strongarm other countries into not entering FTAs like the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Yep, not ultranationalist at all.

That sounds more like expansionism.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:29 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:"Let's destroy everything about our political system" isn't exactly "pragmatic".


Non partisan democracy can work.

And our political system is bad. Destroying evil can be very pragramatic.

But how is ending parties destroying everything? The US constitution does not mention parties. Independents do ocassionally get elected.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:29 am

I agree, the left is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:30 am

Maximus Naturalis wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:Obviously. I mean, they're just raping Africa for their own interests, building artificial islands to serve as bases, sending warships to enforce claims they don't have, expanding their military rapidly, and trying to strongarm other countries into not entering FTAs like the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Yep, not ultranationalist at all.

That sounds more like expansionism.

Please demonstrate the difference in this case.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:30 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I agree, the left is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?


Will the Slavs get to join in this time tho?

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Postby Mefpan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:31 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I agree, the west is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?

No, everyone is afraid of Germoney. Unity must be under the Second Byzantine Roman Empire.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:31 am

Trumpostan wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Mandela despite the hagiography was no saint either. Just because he opposed a bad regime does not make him some unblemished superhero.


Mandela never made a secret out of his anti-government tactics. And considering government terrorism against black people in South Africa, he really had no choice. The ANC tried dialogue for decades, the government told them to eff off and installed Apartheid.


Well there was also the gross corruption and HIV crisis of his government...
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:32 am

Daburuetchi wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I agree, the left is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?


Will the Slavs get to join in this time tho?


But of course, Glorious Leader Putin shall be second in command of Europa.

Mefpan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I agree, the west is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?

No, everyone is afraid of Germoney. Unity must be under the Second Byzantine Roman Empire.


This is an idea I could get behind.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:33 am

Mefpan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I agree, the west is evil and all of Europe should unite under the Glorious Fourth Reich.

What could possibly go wrong?

No, everyone is afraid of Germoney. Unity must be under the Second Byzantine Roman Empire.


Finns have never been head of anysort of empire, so clearly it should be "Finnic Realms". *nods*
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Postby Maximus Naturalis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:34 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Maximus Naturalis wrote:That sounds more like expansionism.

Please demonstrate the difference in this case.

ultranationalism

noun
1.
extreme devotion to or advocacy of the interests of a nation, especially regardless of the effect on any other nations.


and

expansionism

noun
1.
a policy of expansion, as of territory or currency:

Whilst ultranationalism can imply expansionism, expansionism is the act of expanding your own nation's territory, financial gains etc.
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Postby Ardavia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:34 am

Immoren wrote:
Mefpan wrote:No, everyone is afraid of Germoney. Unity must be under the Second Byzantine Roman Empire.


Finns have never been head of anysort of empire, so clearly it should be "Finnic Realms". *nods*


Greater Finland.
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Postby Mefpan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:37 am

Immoren wrote:
Mefpan wrote:No, everyone is afraid of Germoney. Unity must be under the Second Byzantine Roman Empire.


Finns have never been head of anysort of empire, so clearly it should be "Finnic Realms". *nods*

Best give it a special, easily understood label so that everyone knows there's no going back.

The Finnal nation or something like that.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:37 am

Ardavia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Finns have never been head of anysort of empire, so clearly it should be "Finnic Realms". *nods*


Greater Finland.


"Greater Finland" is just this. While Finnic Realms is rest of the provinces of the Empire.
:p
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Postby Ardavia » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:40 am

Immoren wrote:
Ardavia wrote:
Greater Finland.


"Greater Finland" is just this. While Finnic Realms is rest of the provinces of the Empire.
:p


Makes sense.

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Postby Maximus Naturalis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:42 am

Immoren wrote:
Ardavia wrote:
Greater Finland.


"Greater Finland" is just this. While Finnic Realms is rest of the provinces of the Empire.
:p

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