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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:41 pm

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Kinda like how Christians don't wear mixed garments, don't murder and give most of their wealth to charity because the Bible tells them so?


Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?


Not to the point that it requires the deportation of every single Sunni and Shi'a refugee in Europe, no.

Also, funny you should fucking mention such a thing when Europe was once a hellhole for Jews. It isn't just fucking Germany that persecuted them... YOU KNOW?

Yazidis have the same theological beliefs in respects to infidels as the Sunni and Shi'a, and yet I don't hear calls for their deportation because, like the Sunni and Shi'a refugees, they're in Europe because they don't give enough of a shit about their stupid religion to get themselves, their friends and their families killed in the name of Allah.

Same as any fucking Christian in these countries, really, because Christians supposedly believe that you should take aggression, and respond with non-violence and understanding, as opposed to a shit-ton of violence and paranoia.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
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Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?


Not to the point that it requires the deportation of every single Sunni and Shi'a refugee in Europe, no.

Also, funny you should fucking mention such a thing when Europe was once a hellhole for Jews. It isn't just fucking Germany that persecuted them... YOU KNOW?


The operative key word here being "was". While Eastern Europe largely kept its traditional antisemitism, countries like Germany, France, Britain and Belgium underwent a major mentality shift post-1945.
Granted, these days Western Europe is becoming an unfriendlier place towards Jews again, mostly because of Muslim immigrants.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.697444
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:46 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
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Not to the point that it requires the deportation of every single Sunni and Shi'a refugee in Europe, no.

Also, funny you should fucking mention such a thing when Europe was once a hellhole for Jews. It isn't just fucking Germany that persecuted them... YOU KNOW?


The operative key word here being "was". While Eastern Europe largely kept its traditional antisemitism, countries like Germany, France, Britain and Belgium underwent a major mentality shift post-1945.
Granted, these days Western Europe is becoming an unfriendlier place towards Jews again, mostly because of Muslim immigrants.

Because Muslims, or because far-right?

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:47 pm

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The operative key word here being "was". While Eastern Europe largely kept its traditional antisemitism, countries like Germany, France, Britain and Belgium underwent a major mentality shift post-1945.
Granted, these days Western Europe is becoming an unfriendlier place towards Jews again, mostly because of Muslim immigrants.

Because Muslims, or because far-right?


The former in Western Europe, but the latter in places like Hungary.
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Postby Yootxtlalkaan » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:58 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Because Muslims, or because far-right?


The former in Western Europe, but the latter in places like Hungary.


well… both in both regions, but to wildly varying degrees
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:59 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Okay, this whole "Oy vey" thing has stopped being funny a couple of posts ago.

It is especially unfunny in the context of this topic, because a large part of the new arrivals really do hold such beliefs.

And a large part of those opposing them.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:06 pm

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Sure, that sounds harsh.

I've never run across such an instance occurring, though, and I've never heard of that. Then again, I live in the bumfuck end of Florida where nothing much interesting happens except crime and car accidents.

And the masters, whether they like it or not, really do have to cater to students... It's always been that way, really. It's just that students used to not be told, nor did they realize it until recently. And really, good students respect intelligence and wisdom, don't matter where it's coming from and what it is. My guess is, the master is as much at fault as the students. Same with the professor. Same with the scholars.

Students don't appreciate bias, don't matter whether it's from the left or right, and especially if the person lecturing them doesn't admit where their errors lie and if they didn't appreciate the students' criticisms.

Though, to be fair, sometimes students get stupid with their demands.

I remember one time some uppity lady didn't seem to like our professor's lecture (to be fair, it was about his experiences as a sensual masseuse, but it was related to the class... It was about sexuality, for fuck's sake). She and the professor got in a shouting match when she wasn't satisfied with the professor's obvious explanation (it's a class where we studied fucking human sexuality). I can see where she was coming from, but she was in the wrong, ultimately. Most likely, she just didn't like hearing about the very informative sexual experiences of a kindly, massively intelligent, if sometimes curmudgeonly, old man.

Scholarship in general revolves around doubt. Nothing is ever concrete unless it proves itself to be concrete. The students that drowned out the lecturer with The Internationale, for example... If there were so many students there that it would have been pointless to remove them because then there wouldn't be anybody at the assembly... Yeah, that's his fault. He was obviously somewhere where his opinions were obviously not agreed with, and/or his opinions aren't popular in general. You expect that in universities. The only respect is for the truth, and if people feel you're lying to them, they will be negative about it. It's quite possible they started singing The Internationale sarcastically. Was the guy an anti-Communist or an anti-leftist?

You got links for these incidents?

... Not that I don't trust you. I don't trust anyone, really. I like to hear both sides of the story before coming to conclusions.

Also... The right-wing is nowhere near as renowned as the left for doubting anything or being curious about anything. So, sorta makes sense the universities got "taken over" by them.



http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/11/0 ... kley-talk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRl2_ibd_WA

I'll try and find a link for the third incident. People don't have to like what is said but there is a difference between turning up and dismissing a lecture for it's topic out of hand before listening to it's content because it doesn't fit your personal conception of Orthodoxy,in this case post-modern activist sociology. The YouTube video there is the longest available one for the issue, it's part of a series on FIRE's website. I'd like to see what you think, also I believe the student's involved drew up a list of demands, I'll see if I can find it.The internationale was sung against a women who criticized third-wave feminism, if I recall correctly.

Demands and debate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/gra ... president/ Some were reasonable.


... The Yale article doesn't tell the whole story, vaguely mentioning why the joke was highly inappropriate.

The remarks said in the email were in relation to a party thrown by the Sigma Alpha Epsilon greek house that was, allegedly, segregated. Many sources refer to this as the "Whites Only Party". Apparently, SAE has a history of being racially insensitive, not only in the news, but on campus as well.

Joking that it's somehow not being a big deal with the use of genocide is... Incredibly moronic, to say the least, given the United States' past and current present of racism. My father was born 10 years before universities were segregated. It's relatively young.... So, no fucking shit it's a big deal, especially when what's at stake here is a moronic greek house party against. I guess only Aryans can handle such a thing.

Dismissing it the way the lady did would cause me, if I were her superior, to consider, at the very least, about docking her pay or suspending her until things blow over and her idiocy doesn't sully the office like she has a dead rat in her ass. In business, and especially in universities, nobody gives a shit about your beliefs, and especially so if they're moronic beliefs with no foundation, ESPECIALLY if you think people of a different color of skin than you are somehow less intelligent or skilled than you.

Frankly, dunno why you think this is worthy of liberals' attention as an instance of our abuse.

SAE apparently is run by mentally handicapped baboons if they keep letting people into the house who don't understand that the n-word isn't a polite word, much like "dead skins", "gringo" and "tight-assed chalkie".

They apparently planned this Whites Only Party and felt it would be funny if they mocked it... When, around the time of the incident, there had been several parties in other universities where the students were having Shucking and Jiving parties where they painted their faces with shoe polish, pretended to be "Gangsta" and ate watermelon.

In "homage" to black people, I suppose.

The word "satire" was thrown around a lot... And, for being college students they don't know what the fuck satire is and how to use it.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:10 pm

People think that claiming satire or parody or otherwise claiming to be doing quite frankly horrifically discriminatory crap "ironically" is a get out of jail free card.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:People think that claiming satire or parody or otherwise claiming to be doing quite frankly horrifically discriminatory crap "ironically" is a get out of jail free card.

The sole reason they've been able to gain ground in Europe is due to their claim to "freedom of speech". Do not fuel that claim.
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Postby Legitimists » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:13 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
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http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/11/0 ... kley-talk/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRl2_ibd_WA

I'll try and find a link for the third incident. People don't have to like what is said but there is a difference between turning up and dismissing a lecture for it's topic out of hand before listening to it's content because it doesn't fit your personal conception of Orthodoxy,in this case post-modern activist sociology. The YouTube video there is the longest available one for the issue, it's part of a series on FIRE's website. I'd like to see what you think, also I believe the student's involved drew up a list of demands, I'll see if I can find it.The internationale was sung against a women who criticized third-wave feminism, if I recall correctly.

Demands and debate. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/gra ... president/ Some were reasonable.


... The Yale article doesn't tell the whole story, vaguely mentioning why the joke was highly inappropriate.

The remarks said in the email were in relation to a party thrown by the Sigma Alpha Epsilon greek house that was, allegedly, segregated. Many sources refer to this as the "Whites Only Party". Apparently, SAE has a history of being racially insensitive, not only in the news, but on campus as well.

Joking that it's somehow not being a big deal with the use of genocide is... Incredibly moronic, to say the least, given the United States' past and current present of racism. My father was born 10 years before universities were segregated. It's relatively young.... So, no fucking shit it's a big deal, especially when what's at stake here is a moronic greek house party against. I guess only Aryans can handle such a thing.

Dismissing it the way the lady did would cause me, if I were her superior, to consider, at the very least, about docking her pay or suspending her until things blow over and her idiocy doesn't sully the office like she has a dead rat in her ass. In business, and especially in universities, nobody gives a shit about your beliefs, and especially so if they're moronic beliefs with no foundation, ESPECIALLY if you think people of a different color of skin than you are somehow less intelligent or skilled than you.

Frankly, dunno why you think this is worthy of liberals' attention as an instance of our abuse.

SAE apparently is run by mentally handicapped baboons if they keep letting people into the house who don't understand that the n-word isn't a polite word, much like "dead skins", "gringo" and "tight-assed chalkie".

They apparently planned this Whites Only Party and felt it would be funny if they mocked it... When, around the time of the incident, there had been several parties in other universities where the students were having Shucking and Jiving parties where they painted their faces with shoe polish, pretended to be "Gangsta" and ate watermelon.

In "homage" to black people, I suppose.

The word "satire" was thrown around a lot... And, for being college students they don't know what the fuck satire is and how to use it.


The Frat Party was awful, calling for someone's dismissal for writing an email stating that it is up to the individual student to decide what they want to wear as a Halloween costume because it wasn't sensible enough is also awful. Claiming irony to do the awful is....well dumb
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:36 pm

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Vassenor wrote:People think that claiming satire or parody or otherwise claiming to be doing quite frankly horrifically discriminatory crap "ironically" is a get out of jail free card.

The sole reason they've been able to gain ground in Europe is due to their claim to "freedom of speech". Do not fuel that claim.


Oh, so we should defend the college students having minstrel shows and not inviting black people to see if it's funny, but not the Muslims who are more or less the same as Christians except not?

Legitimists wrote:The Frat Party was awful, calling for someone's dismissal for writing an email stating that it is up to the individual student to decide what they want to wear as a Halloween costume because it wasn't sensible enough is also awful. Claiming irony to do the awful is....well dumb


... Sad to say, but, things that are awful are bound to... Not be tolerated. The woman, while arguing for freedom of speech, was also, ironically, dismissive of the concerns of others... When it's HER JOB to be objective. And frankly, you don't have freedom of speech in businesses or universities, at least not where it concerns itself. It's their buildings that they built with money that they rightfully earned, so they make the rules... Well, the government does, at least, especially if it was also funded by the government. It's also whatever Board of colleges they belong to that make the rules, too. If racism is not to be tolerated, fat fucking shame, but racists aren't allowed.

You're asking me to care about stupid, privileged, racist college students more than I do about homeless, jobless political refugees anyway, for fuck's sake. I may be compassionate, but I'm not stupid, and I don't have to be a fucking walkover about being compassionate.

If this is the kind of bullshit Europeans talk about and pull around them, no fucking wonder they lashed out.

What happened to those women and the people who died in the terrorist attacks are terrible, but it's as much the local government's fault as it is the small number of evident aggressors in the refugees.

For fuck's sake, Daesh claimed in it's propaganda that it snuck in thousands of fighters... IT'S PROPAGANDA, THOUGH.

If there's thousands of them, where were they during the Paris attacks?

Why didn't they kill the women rather than molest them and disgrace themselves to their God, who, despite being dismissive of women, also has a ridiculous standard for men, among them being virgins until they marry, killing or being killed for eating pork, and not having sex with men, even when they look really good in women's clothing.

And wear lacy, cute panties. And nice makeup. And have cute, feminine voices.

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Postby Legitimists » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:The sole reason they've been able to gain ground in Europe is due to their claim to "freedom of speech". Do not fuel that claim.


Oh, so we should defend the college students having minstrel shows and not inviting black people to see if it's funny, but not the Muslims who are more or less the same as Christians except not?

Legitimists wrote:The Frat Party was awful, calling for someone's dismissal for writing an email stating that it is up to the individual student to decide what they want to wear as a Halloween costume because it wasn't sensible enough is also awful. Claiming irony to do the awful is....well dumb


... Sad to say, but, things that are awful are bound to... Not be tolerated. The woman, while arguing for freedom of speech, was also, ironically, dismissive of the concerns of others... When it's HER JOB to be objective. And frankly, you don't have freedom of speech in businesses or universities, at least not where it concerns itself. It's their buildings that they built with money that they rightfully earned, so they make the rules... Well, the government does, at least, especially if it was also funded by the government. It's also whatever Board of colleges they belong to that make the rules, too. If racism is not to be tolerated, fat fucking shame, but racists aren't allowed.

You're asking me to care about stupid, privileged, racist college students more than I do about homeless, jobless political refugees anyway, for fuck's sake. I may be compassionate, but I'm not stupid, and I don't have to be a fucking walkover about being compassionate.

If this is the kind of bullshit Europeans talk about and pull around them, no fucking wonder they lashed out.

What happened to those women and the people who died in the terrorist attacks are terrible, but it's as much the local government's fault as it is the small number of evident aggressors in the refugees.

For fuck's sake, Daesh claimed in it's propaganda that it snuck in thousands of fighters... IT'S PROPAGANDA, THOUGH.

If there's thousands of them, where were they during the Paris attacks?

Why didn't they kill the women rather than molest them and disgrace themselves to their God, who, despite being dismissive of women, also has a ridiculous standard for men, among them being virgins until they marry, killing or being killed for eating pork, and not having sex with men, even when they look really good in women's clothing.

And wear lacy, cute panties. And nice makeup. And have cute, feminine voices.


Agreed but I must say that I never gave my opinion on the refugee crisis.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:04 pm

Legitimists wrote:Agreed but I must say that I never gave my opinion on the refugee crisis.


Well.. You were advocating for vigilance from the left concerning itself, rather than, say, the right concerning itself...

In a thread where many people have advocated for the same in respect to the refugee crisis.

So... What do you think of the refugee crisis, then, if not what I assumed?

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Postby Legitimists » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:14 pm

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Legitimists wrote:Agreed but I must say that I never gave my opinion on the refugee crisis.


Well.. You were advocating for vigilance from the left concerning itself, rather than, say, the right concerning itself...

In a thread where many people have advocated for the same in respect to the refugee crisis.

So... What do you think of the refugee crisis, then, if not what I assumed?


People fleeing war zones tend not to be violently inclined and Syria had a well developed economy so the refugees have skills that could greatly benefit their adopted state. Since disenfranchisement and racism created much of the home grown Islamic radicals in European nations I believe that new tactics are needed. We need to extend an open hand, if we treat refugees with kindness they can get to work quicker, start contributing to the life of the nations and assimilate quickly as loyal subjects. I'm still undecided about whether security checks should be put in place for certain demographics such as young men of military age but since no refugees have committed terrorist attacks as of yet I'm erring on the side of permissivness on this regard.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:27 pm

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Well.. You were advocating for vigilance from the left concerning itself, rather than, say, the right concerning itself...

In a thread where many people have advocated for the same in respect to the refugee crisis.

So... What do you think of the refugee crisis, then, if not what I assumed?


People fleeing war zones tend not to be violently inclined and Syria had a well developed economy so the refugees have skills that could greatly benefit their adopted state. Since disenfranchisement and racism created much of the home grown Islamic radicals in European nations I believe that new tactics are needed. We need to extend an open hand, if we treat refugees with kindness they can get to work quicker, start contributing to the life of the nations and assimilate quickly as loyal subjects. I'm still undecided about whether security checks should be put in place for certain demographics such as young men of military age but since no refugees have committed terrorist attacks as of yet I'm erring on the side of permissivness on this regard.


The appropriate word is more citizen than subject, but I get what you mean. That would definitely be the wisest course of action... Sadly, wisdom is in short supply in this case.

Don't they do security checks for all recruits, anyway?

Also... I thought the Paris attacks were committed by Daesh people posing as refugees. Huh.

... Nope... Long-time French nationals.

Really, that makes sense. People trusted by the government and locals, probably had jobs, homes, and, most importantly, pre-existing connections to extremist hot-beds like the Middle East and Africa.

Ironically, these would be the last people the government would suspect, as opposed to refugees who lost their entire way of life because of "jihad". A lot of fucking good it's doing them, I bet, especially considering there's really nobody representing their interests in Syria except maybe the Free Syrian Army, and even they were a temporary group between 27 different factions with differing political beliefs who simply hate Assad, and are known to form temporary alliances with al-Nusra and even Daesh, even though Daesh invaded Syria specifically because they knew they and the Assad forces would be weak from fighting and would be easy pickings and should be nobody's fucking friend because they have their own agenda and everybody with a brain knows it.

Even more ironically, the whole reason there's a Syrian Civil War is because of how corrupt Assad was, commanding an Alawite oligarchy over a disenfranchised Sunni majority, even though, EVEN MORE IRONICALLY, some Alawites have accused him of attempting to "Sunnify" the Alawi sect... Who consider themselves Shi'a Muslims. And he has supported Daesh in the past, allegedly, as a result.

At the very least now the Kurdish seem to be doing well in the new Rojava, and the opposition government at least have a firm presence, and Assad is running scared.

Knowing that... I suppose I would support deporting refugees to aid in the fight against Daesh and Assad.

That dumb-ass Assad actually claimed that the reason France was attacked was because of their backing of Syrian rebel groups... Even though Daesh claims responsibility for it, and they don't like anybody, especially not the Rojovans, who got the support of the opposition government, and especially not Alawites.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:26 pm

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Kinda like how Christians don't wear mixed garments, don't murder and give most of their wealth to charity because the Bible tells them so?


Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?

Surprisingly, anti-semitism is alive and well in Western Europe. It has become practically house-broken in the form of "cultural marxism".

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Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?

Surprisingly, anti-semitism is alive and well in Western Europe. It has become practically house-broken in the form of "cultural marxism".
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:49 pm

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Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?

Surprisingly, anti-semitism is alive and well in Western Europe. It has become practically house-broken in the form of "cultural marxism".


Especially considering that, despite the fact the measure of Hitler's evil is well-documented and well-known... There's still plenty of people that proudly agree with him, even in Germany where publicly pronouncing your Nazism got you arrested up until recently.

Some Nazis don't even bother denying the Holocaust happened. They're proud of it, and they'd do it again if anybody were stupid enough to let them.

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Postby British Prussia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:05 pm

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Are you seriously claiming that anti-semitism isn't vastly more prevalent in the Islamic countries than in Western Europe?

Surprisingly, anti-semitism is alive and well in Western Europe. It has become practically house-broken in the form of "cultural marxism".

Anti-semitisim is everywhere. Even in Asia and the Pacific, including places like New Zealand and Australia.
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Postby Arkinesia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:35 pm

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However, as Khaled soon learned, asylum seekers in the United States are prohibited from working until at least 180 days have passed since they submitted the asylum application, unless they are granted asylum sooner. In practice, however, asylum seekers often wait for much longer than 180 days. Immigration judges and asylum officers have discretion to “stop the clock” towards work authorization for a variety of reasons. Once that happens, it is very challenging to get the work authorization clock to start running again, and in the meantime, the asylum seeker is not permitted to work.

In addition to being barred from working, asylum seekers are also ineligible to receive nearly any type of government benefit while awaiting a decision on their cases. While the majority of developed asylum-granting nations place certain limitations on the right to work for asylum seekers, the United States stands alone in denying both employment and governmental assistance.

The denial of federal benefits, combined with long delays and frequent denial of work authorization, renders US treatment of asylum-seekers an anomaly among developed countries. First, provisions of the US immigration law for many other groups of migrants seeking protection provide applicants work authorization faster than in asylum law. This is particularly troubling because of the vulnerability of asylum seekers. But instead of treating asylum seekers at least as favorably as other similarly situated immigrants, US asylum law, in effect, seems to penalize them.

Second, unlike many other developed nations, the United States provides neither federal benefits nor work authorization to asylum seekers. Some of these other countries seek to fulfill their international obligations by giving asylum seekers the means to subsist rather than employment authorization. Providing the right to work can be another route to protecting the fundamental right to livelihood and the many other economic and social rights that depend upon it.


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Yeah, thanks for fucking up, Republicans. But the truth is that many refugees are still able to work below board during that period and there are plenty of such opportunities. Of course, I'd like to see the requirement changed to zero days, but with nativist dipshits running the show on Capitol Hill I know that won't happen until there's a more serious change.

Even so, it's not over a year, like Germany has done. I mean, at this point, it's basically “NO U.” Not really selling me on why Germany's policy is good. But again, American culture is more integrative, and thus the hold-up, while stupid and xenophobic, isn't such an impediment as it is in Germany.

The Alma Mater wrote:Why ? The "superiority" people speak of refers to the standard of living granted by the culture. However, that culture itself is indeed very fragile - being based on things like participation, the acceptance of certain values etc.

Compare it with vaccinations - if everyone who is able gets their shots you get "herd immunity", which is very nice if you dislike dead babies.
If enough people refuse to get their shots, the system breaks down - and the number of people required to break the system is very small indeed.

Does that mean we should abandon the vaccination programs alltogether, despite the obvious benefits ?

When you can explain how culture is necessary for public health, then I'll accept this argument, otherwise it fails. European culture is not self-evidently beneficial as immunizations are.

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Let's use an example, let's say your community celebrates, say, Christmas, by gathering together to play life-sized nine men morris. How does having a bunch of people living two blocks down from your community impede you in your celebration, like, at all?

Having this explained in English would be helpful in order for me to understand what you're even trying to say.

Imperializt Russia wrote:I used to, frequently. I have only ever felt in fear, whether at home or at university, from whites.

Same, honestly, and I live in the South for christ's sake, which is supposed to be Ground Zero for mega uber racism.

To show you how shockingly racist Southerners are, I'll tell you a story, we've got a new guy at work who's from New Jersey, and he came back from a delivery to a neighborhood that is majority African-American. He told my coworkers that he was terrified the entire time, because “some black guy in a hoodie was just standing on the street corner less than a hundred feet from me.”

My coworkers responding by laughing at him.

Seriously, people down here are not scared of non-white people, and in fact if you look at the statistics 8/10 of the most segregated cities in America are in what were non-slave Union states. One is located in Missouri, a Union slave state. The other is Birmingham which should surprise no one. But the fact is that the South has accepted integration and it is nowhere near a stretch to say they have accepted it more than the North. Honestly, I can say that I've told people that they're obviously not from around here because it's some guy in his 20s calling a black man a thug. People my age who are born and bred Southerners don't talk like that. It's not 1966 anymore, y'all.

However, I have been on the wrong end of menacing behavior from white people, I have seen plenty of victimization (mostly of other white people) by white people, etc. I'm infinitely more scared of some idiot in a lifted truck waving a gun around than some black guy in a hoodie standing on a street corner.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:12 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Surprisingly, anti-semitism is alive and well in Western Europe. It has become practically house-broken in the form of "cultural marxism".

Anti-semitisim is everywhere. Even in Asia and the Pacific, including places like New Zealand and Australia.

Well Australia and New Zealand would have gotten it from Britain. But why would there be anti-semitism anywhere else in Asia or the Pacific? I mean, it doesn't really make any sense for anyone to be anti-semitic, but there are Jews in Europe and the Middle East and the US. Asia probably just has a few Israeli diplomats and various tourists. You'd be as well being racist against Martians.

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Postby Godular » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:24 am

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British Prussia wrote:Anti-semitisim is everywhere. Even in Asia and the Pacific, including places like New Zealand and Australia.

Well Australia and New Zealand would have gotten it from Britain. But why would there be anti-semitism anywhere else in Asia or the Pacific? I mean, it doesn't really make any sense for anyone to be anti-semitic, but there are Jews in Europe and the Middle East and the US. Asia probably just has a few Israeli diplomats and various tourists. You'd be as well being racist against Martians.


In all fairness, Martians ARE black and walk funny.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:36 am

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Ifreann wrote:Well Australia and New Zealand would have gotten it from Britain. But why would there be anti-semitism anywhere else in Asia or the Pacific? I mean, it doesn't really make any sense for anyone to be anti-semitic, but there are Jews in Europe and the Middle East and the US. Asia probably just has a few Israeli diplomats and various tourists. You'd be as well being racist against Martians.


In all fairness, Martians ARE black and walk funny.

(I'd post a pic of Marvin the Martian but doing that on my phone is harder than I prefer to deal with)


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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Godular wrote:
In all fairness, Martians ARE black and walk funny.

(I'd post a pic of Marvin the Martian but doing that on my phone is harder than I prefer to deal with)


You should not mock a people with the ability and the technology to cause an Earth-Shattering Kaboom.


But unlike Black earthlings, Martians don't have to worry about the police.
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Vassenor wrote:
You should not mock a people with the ability and the technology to cause an Earth-Shattering Kaboom.


But unlike Black earthlings, Martians don't have to worry about the police.

Sure I read a Marvin the Martian story where Marvin's space ship got booted by the NYPD, but he did get the key to the city so...
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