It's time for leftists to wake up before they destroy Europe

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah, he's the best out of all the options.

Had the US and EU intervened sooner it would've been easier to pick who would at least be palatable for the Syrian populace. Oddly enough, Syria's the one place where a more prompt intervention could've made it a better place to so much as live in.

There never were many good options to begin with. The opposition from the start has been a mishmash of ethnic nationalists, Daesh-lite, various other forms of Islamist groups, people who just want some reforms etc. It's just a mess.

Yeah, he's the best out of all the options.

I could do it...

Something tells me that wouldn't be a very popular option with many people

[Saiwania]

We're talking about 2011 here, it was not 'complicated' at all. Protesters demanded democratic reforms and were shot down. End of story.

The democratic reforms are no good if Syria would vote a Muslim Brotherhood into power. Egypt was saved from the brink by a coup. Mubarak should never have been deposed.

[Dahon]

We're talking about 2011 here, it was not 'complicated' at all. Protesters demanded democratic reforms and were shot down. End of story.

Well, I thought you were talking about the situation now. But 2011? Sure, if Assad had been gracious enough to accept the fact that change was necessary, all of this might not have happened.

But of course he had to be a dick, shoot down any chance of a peaceful resolution, and in the process kill hundreds of thousands of his own people and drive hundreds of thousands more into the arms of peoples as likely to see them as potential terrorists as they are to be treated as refugees, while feeding the growth of ISIS... because... because power? All that shit for power? You want power over a fucking wasteland? WHAT THE FUCK?

[British Prussia]

Had the US and EU intervened sooner it would've been easier to pick who would at least be palatable for the Syrian populace. Oddly enough, Syria's the one place where a more prompt intervention could've made it a better place to so much as live in.

There never were many good options to begin with. The opposition from the start has been a mishmash of ethnic nationalists, Daesh-lite, various other forms of Islamist groups, people who just want some reforms etc. It's just a mess.

I could do it...

Something tells me that wouldn't be a very popular option with many people

Don't worry. I know what to do. Build a wall and make the Israelis pay for it. Ban Americans from coming to Syria and bringing in their homosexualities. Universal hijab care etc. I'd be the most popular Syrian president ever.

[Alsheb]

Hopefully this is a wake up call for european powers to get more involved in the middle east and help stabilize failed states. By now every intellectually honest person must have recognized not intervening in syria was the worst possible option and the negative consequences of that decision aren't just limited to that region.

There should have been an intervention from the start, but it should have been to help Assad.

The West always only intervenes to aid whoever is most corrupted and will sell out his country to western corporations. Hence why Gaddhaffi and Assad are being opposed by the West while the Sauds, the Turks and the monarchy of Qatar are being supported.

[Dahon]

The West always only intervenes to aid whoever is most corrupted and will sell out his country to western corporations. Hence why Gaddhaffi and Assad are being opposed by the West while the Sauds, the Turks and the monarchy of Qatar are being supported.

While I won't contest what you've said with regards to American foreign policy, what's happening in Syria is... I don't know... confusing? I'm an ardent democrat, I'd like it better if the West had decided to support popularly-backed regimes that would put their own interests above that of the West's but will otherwise keep the peace over unpopular and thus inherently unstable strongmen... but really, as I've asked, who else to support but Assad? He is at least a known known who will do the least damage, even if it means propping up what can't be propped for long.

Shit.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because people drop charges or don't bring them in the first place. Not because it's "not important" in the eyes of the law.

You think the police WANTS to charge you for such petty crimes? Why would an officer want to waste his/her time breaking up two grown adults acting like children? If you bring charges to another person because they suckered-punched you in the face, than it's time for you to grow up and open your eyes.

Because it's their fucking job, that's why.

[Asherahan]

You think the police WANTS to charge you for such petty crimes? Why would an officer want to waste his/her time breaking up two grown adults acting like children? If you bring charges to another person because they suckered-punched you in the face, than it's time for you to grow up and open your eyes.

Because it's their fucking job, that's why.

Why the fuck are you screaming at each other like children?

[Imperializt Russia]

Because it's their fucking job, that's why.

Why the fuck are you screaming at each other like children?

You might want to turn down your speaker volume if text posts are too loud for you.

[Asherahan]

Why the fuck are you screaming at each other like children?

You might want to turn down your speaker volume if text posts are too loud for you.

Sick burns from Imperializt Russia.

Now I am sorry I have to go apply lots of cold water on the burned area.

[Scandinavian Nations]

If a culture is upended by such a tiny portion of people, who have no skills, minimal understanding of the local languages, no ability to acquire work (GERMANY), no political or social clout, and not even the threat of violence in many cases, then why should European culture even continue existing? It's like losing a sprint race to a man with no legs.

Let me explain using an analogy.

Imagine you have a celebration set up, with a large table, clean silverware, gourmet meals, fifty guests in their best outfits enjoying themselves. Then someone pops up over the fence and tosses just one little turd right in the middle. What do you have now?

[Immoren]

If a culture is upended by such a tiny portion of people, who have no skills, minimal understanding of the local languages, no ability to acquire work (GERMANY), no political or social clout, and not even the threat of violence in many cases, then why should European culture even continue existing? It's like losing a sprint race to a man with no legs.

Let me explain using an analogy.

Imagine you have a celebration set up, with a large table, clean silverware, gourmet meals, fifty guests in their best outfits enjoying themselves. Then someone pops up over the fence and tosses just one little turd right in the middle. What do you have now?

People making annoyed updates to their social media sites and/or writing annoyed opinion pieces to regional newspaper?

[Scandinavian Nations]

That and a big health and safety violation, so everything on the table will be treated like shit afterwards.

That's exactly the effect you get when you introduce a small group of people noncompliant with a much larger community's norms into it. If before people could leave their doors unlocked, not think twice about walking in the dark alone, leave their sidearms in the safe or have them banned outright, after you introduce a small group with a high propensity towards violence and no respect for the society, everyone has to consider the danger all the time, the people become suspicious of one another, the society's functioning degrades.

Continued mass refugee migration won't destroy Europe, but will set it back a couple decades; make Western Europe look like Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe like it used to.

[Greater Hunnia]

That and a big health and safety violation, so everything on the table will be treated like shit afterwards.

That's exactly the effect you get when you introduce a small group of people noncompliant with a much larger community's norms into it. If before people could leave their doors unlocked, not think twice about walking in the dark alone, leave their sidearms in the safe or have them banned outright, after you introduce a small group with a high propensity towards violence and no respect for the society, everyone has to consider the danger all the time, the people become suspicious of one another, the society's functioning degrades.

Continued mass refugee migration won't destroy Europe, but will set it back a couple decades; make Western Europe look like Eastern Europe and Eastern Europe like it used to.

Consider that here in Eastern Europe we don't have to worry about getting blown to tiny pieces or shot at, or gang-raped by brown people screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!". We don't have pro-Shariah protests, halal school dishes, no-go zones either. So it's more like Eastern Europe will be like it used to be, and Western Europe will by like Iraq.

[Vassenor]

There aren't really "no-go zones" in western Europe either.

[Greater Hunnia]

There aren't really "no-go zones" in western Europe either.

Yeah, right, I dare you, as a transsomething person, to go on a walk in one of the muslim-populated zones of for example London or Marseille. Don't forget to tell us about your experiences when you come back, if you come back.

[Saiwania]

There aren't really "no-go zones" in western Europe either.

There is a severe disconnect when the police forces of many European countries admit that they exist and release maps of where they most lack control or authority. Europeans should increasingly come to a consensus that leftists do not know what they're talking about when they deny the fact that there are Muslim majority neighborhoods which aren't safe for non-Muslims.

France: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/ ... o-go-zones
UK: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5177/ ... es-britain
Belgium's Interior Minister admits that Molenbeek is out of their control: http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attac ... ster-says/

[Ostroeuropa]

There aren't really "no-go zones" in western Europe either.

*laugh*

Not for most men certainly. So much for women and minorities though. Transmen also have a problem.
Natural consequence of opening a time portal to the dark ages and inviting the serfs on through to colonize your country.

Being a woman or LGBT person walking through a muslim majority area means you're gonna have a bad time.

[Imperializt Russia]

There aren't really "no-go zones" in western Europe either.

Yeah, right, I dare you, as a transsomething person, to go on a walk in one of the muslim-populated zones of for example London or Marseille. Don't forget to tell us about your experiences when you come back, if you come back.

Yes, because "immigrant zones" have erected Tesla Coils to eliminate trans persons once they cross the boundary

[Ostroeuropa]

Yeah, right, I dare you, as a transsomething person, to go on a walk in one of the muslim-populated zones of for example London or Marseille. Don't forget to tell us about your experiences when you come back, if you come back.

Yes, because "immigrant zones" have erected Tesla Coils to eliminate trans persons once they cross the boundary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

Pretty much yeh.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, because "immigrant zones" have erected Tesla Coils to eliminate trans persons once they cross the boundary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

Pretty much yeh.

Do you have any evidence that this was more than like five people ever?

[Ifreann]

Yeah, right, I dare you, as a transsomething person, to go on a walk in one of the muslim-populated zones of for example London or Marseille. Don't forget to tell us about your experiences when you come back, if you come back.

Yes, because "immigrant zones" have erected Tesla Coils to eliminate trans persons once they cross the boundary

*Muslamic ray guns

[Vassenor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

Pretty much yeh.

Do you have any evidence that this was more than like five people ever?

You should know by now that five people is totally a representative sample.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

Pretty much yeh.

Do you have any evidence that this was more than like five people ever?

I've heard plenty of anecdotes from victims, but not any statistical studies on the matter. Given the establishments hostility to acknowledging the issue though, that doesn't particularly say much, especially when you consider just how infested sociology and gender studies departments at universities are.

I can tell you that my mother, my sister, and one of my gay friends have talked about the issue of islamic men being publically abusive when they pass through these areas. Those are people known to me personally. There are countless others i've heard from online or through news sources.

The difference here was that this was an organized gang and the events were filmed, which prompted reaction.

I will say however that I think it takes willful ignorance to pretend this isn't a problem, considering that we're expected to believe catcalling is a problem even in western culture, when as we have seen and as is obvious, immigrant cultures have a more traditionalist view of gender relations.
There is no coherent way to pretend this isn't a problem while simulataneously advancing a feminist narrative, as our media and political establishment does.

Further, we've seen plenty of polling that shows shocking beliefs are far more popular than they should be in islamic communities.

I want to known by what mechanism you think Islamic communities are magically better than western ones on these issues. I had no idea the middle east was such a bastion of women and LGBT rights so as to cause their culture to be ahead of ours in those respects.

[Imperializt Russia]

I want to known by what mechanism you think Islamic communities are magically better than western ones on these issues. I had no idea the middle east was such a bastion of women and LGBT rights so as to cause their culture to be ahead of ours in those respects.

A claim I have never put forward and never tried to put forward.

Thereby I'm going make make a claim that I rarely do - that you're putting down a strawman argument, Ostro.