Obama's popularity slips for the first time.

[Maurepas]

Frankly, there are no good reasons to go to war or encourage it in the Middle East. It's in our best interests, and Israel's as well, to let Iran solve its own problems unhindered. We can offer support where it's desired, but we have no moral standing to push it on them unwanted.

Unless of course, you're a Christian Zionist who thinks provoking a shitstorm in the Middle East like that will send a holy Bat Signal to Jesus and he'll get the Second Coming started early.

Ah yes. That lovely contingent in American politics that wishes to start World War Three so they can meet Jesus.

Hey, you cant say a little World War is too high to see this guy:

[New Mitanni]

It's not from shaving. Looks like a few people are starting to realize that last November 52% of the voters chose to commit national suicide, and now that Uncle Sam's lying in the bathtub and bleeding out from slashed wrists, they're wondering why the water's turning red.

When you start using words like "national suicide," you invite every fanatical so-called patriot to take action. Rhetoric like this may not technically be inciting terrorism, but its damn close in actual practice.

The next time I need your opinion on my choice of wording or its effects in "actual practice", I'll give it to you.

Think about that before you type more of this garbage.

Think about telling someone who gives a rat's ass what you think of his posting before you type more of that garbage.

'll tell you what suicide would have been: voting in a successor from the party that gave us a recession, built a campaign on fear mongering, lies, and race baiting, and would likely have thrown us into a third war given the chance.

You mean the party that controlled Congress and the Senate the last two years, gave us the Community Redevelopment Act, and promised to compete to see which it could do first, create socialism at home or reduce the U.S. to the status of France abroad.

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

[Maurepas]

I will say again the war wasn't apart of it.

You can say that all you want I suppose, the debt still says otherwise...

NOw as for the changes to bankruptcy and loans, could you link me to something on that it would be interesting to see.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7575010/

President Bush signed the biggest rewrite of U.S. bankruptcy law in a quarter century on Wednesday, making it harder for debt-ridden Americans to wipe out their obligations.

Meaning that people who got loans to buy houses, and then couldnt afford them, cant file bankruptcy, meaning foreclosures, property value drops, and a credit crunch, etc...

[New Mitanni]

Frankly, there are no good reasons to go to war or encourage it in the Middle East. It's in our best interests, and Israel's as well, to let Iran solve its own problems unhindered. We can offer support where it's desired, but we have no moral standing to push it on them unwanted.

Unless of course, you're a Christian Zionist who thinks provoking a shitstorm in the Middle East like that will send a holy Bat Signal to Jesus and he'll get the Second Coming started early.

Ah yes. That lovely contingent in American politics that wishes to start World War Three so they can meet Jesus.

Yes, all five of them.

Of course, you could be a Moslem fanatic who thinks the Hidden Imam is going to reappear any time now, so let's destroy the infidels to welcome him back. Oh wait, that would be A-Muddy-Dinner-Jacket.

[Grave_n_idle]

Not at all, unlike people that are still looking 8 years into the past to scream election fraud I actually had friends to play catch with.

There was election fraud - clearly documented.

I don't think the Supreme Court answered the question you think they answered.

[Blouman Empire]

I will say again the war wasn't apart of it.

You can say that all you want I suppose, the debt still says otherwise...

Ah so you wanted to talk about the debt rather instead, well why didn't you say so?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7575010/

Meaning that people who got loans to buy houses, and then couldnt afford them, cant file bankruptcy, meaning foreclosures, property value drops, and a credit crunch, etc...

It would be something to look into, and then only then it is a small part, but I am yet to come across any literature that mentions this (Not to say it isn't there and not to say that researchers won't mention this). Although i has been the law for sometime in America that if one cannot repay your your home loan you don't need to file for bankruptcy you simply need to return the keys to the bank and that is the end of it.

[The Romulan Republic]

You mean the party that controlled Congress and the Senate the last two years, gave us the Community Redevelopment Act, and promised to compete to see which it could do first, create socialism at home or reduce the U.S. to the status of France abroad.

Excuse me? How has our status been reduced to that of France? I'd really like to hear the thought process behind that.

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

Most likely he will prove you wrong. America and our allies will still be here, the economy will hopefully have improved (or at least stopped getting worse), and torture and illegal imprisonments will hopefully have been ended (but you probably think that's a bad thing). Private property and businesses will still exist, but perhaps everyone will finally have a right to affordable medical treatment. Yet most likely you will remain in denial. Its sad, really.

Oh, and that's seven years eight months, if the GOP doesn't learn how to be a serious party in the next couple of years. If you don't like Obama, you should complain about the GOP. They need to stop being a charicature and become a real opposition again.

[Maurepas]

Ah so you wanted to talk about the debt rather instead, well why didn't you say so?

too much debt devalues the currency causing prices to go up

It would be something to look into, and then only then it is a small part, but I am yet to come across any literature that mentions this (Not to say it isn't there and not to say that researchers won't mention this). Although i has been the law for sometime in America that if one cannot repay your your home loan you don't need to file for bankruptcy you simply need to return the keys to the bank and that is the end of it.

The problem is, when mass numbers of people are returning the keys causing the bubble to burst, and its not just homes that become a problem, its cars, contractors, etc...

requiring bailouts of these industries because their customers cant buy or pay off things they already bought...

[Grave_n_idle]

You mean the party that controlled Congress and the Senate the last two years, gave us the Community Redevelopment Act, and promised to compete to see which it could do first, create socialism at home or reduce the U.S. to the status of France abroad.

Excuse me? How has our status been reduced to that of France? I'd really like to hear the thought process behind that.

After the last 8 years, the idea that our status would have had to be REDUCED to match France is testament to just how disconnected Mitty is.

The last year and a half of Bush, there were times when North Korea was looking better than us.

[Napoleons Paris]

How about a strong enough orator comes along and takes the time to start a party that supports what the United States was supposed to built upon.

How about freedom and representational government? In representational government, doesn't majority rule?

Why are we medling with gay marrage and abortion? Those should be simple givens. There are much more important things on the table. Our economy is through the floor right now.

I don't care what anyone says, both parties are involved in the deterioration of our economy.

Now I don't find it too hard to believe that Obama's popularity slipped. When your ratings can't go much higher than highest, well, you have a slump in popularity. Gitmo and the bailouts are not anything good. Even the czars are something that I don't particularly like.

I find it a little scary when these people have no oversight and only report to Obama.

[Maurepas]

After the last 8 years, the idea that our status would have had to be REDUCED to match France is testament to just how disconnected Mitty is.

Agreed

The last year and a half of Bush, there were times when North Korea was looking better than us.

idk If id go that far I still had electricity and food, and didnt have to fear being killed for looking at the shrub the wrong way...

[Grave_n_idle]

In representational government, doesn't majority rule?

God, you have to hope not.

[Dragontide]

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

Since the Wall Street downward spiral slowed, the small businesses dropping like flies slowed and the G-20 & Summit of the Americas made progress, the G0P has as much chance in 2012 as W does in mastering the English language.

[Conserative Morality]

After the last 8 years, the idea that our status would have had to be REDUCED to match France is testament to just how disconnected Mitty is.

Agreed

The last year and a half of Bush, there were times when North Korea was looking better than us.

idk If id go that far I still had electricity and food, and didnt have to fear being killed for looking at the shrub the wrong way...

I think he meant on the world stage, NK was looking better than we were, according to what they were doing.

[Gauthier]

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

Since the Wall Street downward spiral slowed, the small businesses dropping like flies slowed and the G-20 & Summit of the Americas made progress, the G0P has as much chance in 2012 as W does in mastering the English language.

No no no, there's a chance he can master English.

The proper analogy is "as Sarah Palin does of becoming the next President of the United States."

[Khadgar]

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

Since the Wall Street downward spiral slowed, the small businesses dropping like flies slowed and the G-20 & Summit of the Americas made progress, the G0P has as much chance in 2012 as W does in mastering the English language.

No no no, there's a chance he can master English.

The proper analogy is "as Sarah Palin does of becoming the next President of the United States."

You underestimate the staggering stupidity of the American people. They elected Bush a second time.

[Grave_n_idle]

idk If id go that far I still had electricity and food, and didnt have to fear being killed for looking at the shrub the wrong way...

I mean, how we looked to the world. Last year, when North Korea trying to arrange monitor visits to their nuclear facilities, exchange of nuclear technology documents, were opening up their technicians to outside interviewers... and we were talking about whether or not they were state sponsors of terrorism, a nuclear proliferator state... and whether or not we were going to allow them access to funds we'd frozen.

And that's aside from the shit hitting the fan about our torture programs, secret prisons, etc.

[Dragontide]

Unfortunately, we have three years and eight months left of the regime of the Dark Lord, during which time he will do irreparable harm to the economy, free enterprise and our friends abroad.

Since the Wall Street downward spiral slowed, the small businesses dropping like flies slowed and the G-20 & Summit of the Americas made progress, the G0P has as much chance in 2012 as W does in mastering the English language.

No no no, there's a chance he can master English.

The proper analogy is "as Sarah Palin does of becoming the next President of the United States."

But what if we all end up dying from H1N1 (all except for Sara Palin) She would declare herself president and rule over the moose population. That would seem more likely that Bush even learning how to say nuclear.

[Blouman Empire]

The problem is, when mass numbers of people are returning the keys causing the bubble to burst, and its not just homes that become a problem, its cars, contractors, etc...

requiring bailouts of these industries because their customers cant buy or pay off things they already bought...

And your point?

And if you can show me an academic papers that support the war caused the global financial crisis which caused the recession the please provide it.

[Dragontide]

And if you can show me an academic papers that support the war caused the global financial crisis which caused the recession the please provide it.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174884

[UnitedStatesOfAmerica-]

So let me get this straight. Everyone's pissed at Obama just because he didn't shut down Guantanamo immediately in April? Or are they pissed that he is bringing inmates to America?

I always thought Gitmo and GM were just two issues. What happened to all the other issues? Like Iran, Russia, North Korea, the economy, cost of education, cost of real estate? Heck, the price of gas is going back up.

Is no one concerned about the things that really have a direct impact on them?

[The_pantless_hero]

I find that rather ironic, since one of the reasons we voted him into office was because he promised to close Guantanamo. His polling was never higher than when he announced the suspension of the military tribunals with promises to evaluate the prisoners' situation and begin closing the site in April.

It was in April when he reneged on that promise that the rumblings really started up. He's reneged on a lot of promises regarding civil rights, and I can't imagine that not influencing his drop in polls.

The problem is the only campaign promise he is living up to is to be centrist and encourage bipartisanship. Too bad his team isn't telling him that being bipartisan isn't going to make the rightwingers support him and the people who elected him are going to stop supporting him for supporting bipartisanship over trying to carry out his campaign promises so he doesn't use up his "all of his political capital."

[Blouman Empire]

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174884

I asked for an academic paper not some independent media article.

[Barringtonia]

I asked for an academic paper not some independent media article.

Don't be silly, the article is easily good enough,

Chalmers Ashby Johnson 1931 (age 77–78) is an American author and professor emeritus of the University of California, San Diego. He fought in the Korean war, from 1967-1973 was a consultant for the CIA, and ran the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California, Berkeley for years.

[Blouman Empire]

Don't be silly, the article is easily good enough,

Chalmers Ashby Johnson 1931 (age 77–78) is an American author and professor emeritus of the University of California, San Diego. He fought in the Korean war, from 1967-1973 was a consultant for the CIA, and ran the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California, Berkeley for years.

Very well but even after going through it properly it doesn't exactly place the blame on it and this quote "Our excessive military expenditures did not occur over just a few short years or simply because of the Bush administration's policies" backs up my earlier point.