by WhatchaTalkinBout » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:39 pm
Goldsaver wrote:WhatchaTalkinBout '12! It's about time we had a cool president.
Zeppy wrote:Jimmy Carter mad at America.
Jimmy Carter destroy America with boring books and malaise.
Yes, it is.
-Che GuevaraI know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, and you are only going to kill a man.
by SaintB » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:54 pm
by Great Nepal » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:55 pm
by Devonshire County » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:55 pm
by JuNii » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:59 pm
by Great Nepal » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:03 pm
JuNii wrote:we should still seek out alternate forms of energy, mainly because technology is now so ingrained in our lives, many won't survive without electricity.
by Chrobalta » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:06 pm
by Lackadaisical2 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:12 pm
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.
by Lackadaisical2 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:12 pm
Chrobalta wrote:We have the technology and capability to get ourselves off of foreign energy. However the status quo is more profitable to the corporations and lobbyists, so don't expect anything to change.
The Republic of Lanos wrote:Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.
by Chrobalta » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:17 pm
by WhatchaTalkinBout » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:30 pm
Zeppy wrote:Jimmy Carter mad at America.
Jimmy Carter destroy America with boring books and malaise.
Yes, it is.
Goldsaver wrote:WhatchaTalkinBout '12! It's about time we had a cool president.
Zeppy wrote:Jimmy Carter mad at America.
Jimmy Carter destroy America with boring books and malaise.
Yes, it is.
-Che GuevaraI know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, and you are only going to kill a man.
by Vetalia » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:40 pm
by Vetalia » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:42 pm
Chrobalta wrote:How so? And arm and a leg to fill up as the pump? Hazardous toxins released into the atmosphere? Massive trade deficits? Relying on hostile foreign governments for energy? Large amounts of greenhouse gases released?
by SaintB » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:46 pm
Vetalia wrote:Not likely. One of the byproducts of $140 oil and $15 natural gas is that there's a shit ton of new production coming online, so barring a massive increase in demand prices are likely to stay muted; particularly in the US, natural gas production has gone through the roof and completely shattered any estimates of a "peak" in production...it's such a drastic increase, it's almost hard to believe we've got that many untapped resources left.
Plus, all those investments in alternative energy are dampening demand for fossil fuels and will continue to do so, especially if nuclear power continues to grow. We're not likely to face a repeat of the late 2000's for a while.
by The Rich Port » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:47 pm
by German Cascadia » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:48 pm
Vetalia wrote:Chrobalta wrote:How so? And arm and a leg to fill up as the pump? Hazardous toxins released into the atmosphere? Massive trade deficits? Relying on hostile foreign governments for energy? Large amounts of greenhouse gases released?
In reality, "independence from foreign energy" is a complete joke. The global energy market is so fungible it's a completely moot point.
by Vetalia » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:55 pm
German Cascadia wrote:]
I agree. People forget how the US has the worlds largest oil reserve (potential) in the Midwest, and numerous reserves in Alaska, Yellowstone National Park, and off the coast of Florida. There is no energy crises.
by WhatchaTalkinBout » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:58 pm
Vetalia wrote:German Cascadia wrote:]
I agree. People forget how the US has the worlds largest oil reserve (potential) in the Midwest, and numerous reserves in Alaska, Yellowstone National Park, and off the coast of Florida. There is no energy crises.
We are decades if not more away from anything resembling peak oil. The sheer amounts of oil in unconventional reserves are several times larger than those in conventional sources (and even those continue to flow with ever greater abundance)...oil will definitely get more expensive, but it won't be anywhere close to tapering off in quantity for a while.
I think we will abandon oil thanks to technology long before it starts to run short.
Goldsaver wrote:WhatchaTalkinBout '12! It's about time we had a cool president.
Zeppy wrote:Jimmy Carter mad at America.
Jimmy Carter destroy America with boring books and malaise.
Yes, it is.
-Che GuevaraI know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, and you are only going to kill a man.
by Vetalia » Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:58 pm
SaintB wrote:Increasing production does nothing to solve the "What happens next?" problem.
by Chrobalta » Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:30 pm
Vetalia wrote:Chrobalta wrote:How so? And arm and a leg to fill up as the pump? Hazardous toxins released into the atmosphere? Massive trade deficits? Relying on hostile foreign governments for energy? Large amounts of greenhouse gases released?
In reality, "independence from foreign energy" is a complete joke. The global energy market is so fungible it's a completely moot point.
by WhatchaTalkinBout » Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:32 pm
Chrobalta wrote:Vetalia wrote:Chrobalta wrote:How so? And arm and a leg to fill up as the pump? Hazardous toxins released into the atmosphere? Massive trade deficits? Relying on hostile foreign governments for energy? Large amounts of greenhouse gases released?
In reality, "independence from foreign energy" is a complete joke. The global energy market is so fungible it's a completely moot point.
What happens when our "friends" in the middle east no longer want to sell us oil? Or China says it is willing to pay more for that oil?
Goldsaver wrote:WhatchaTalkinBout '12! It's about time we had a cool president.
Zeppy wrote:Jimmy Carter mad at America.
Jimmy Carter destroy America with boring books and malaise.
Yes, it is.
-Che GuevaraI know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, and you are only going to kill a man.
by The Rich Port » Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:40 pm
by Lenyo » Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:48 pm
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