The General Car Thread.

by **Petrolheadia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:30 pm

Auzkhia wrote:My ideal is second car is basically a V6 or Turbo Miata with some comfy seats. Not now, but I'll see what comes up in the next few years. Maybe I'll have a budget then.

I plan on buying a roadster or convertible for cruising and autocross after I get my first real paycheck or a garage, because that'd be easier to manage a second car.

Pontiac Solstice? Porsche Boxster? Merc SLK? BMW Z4?

by **Cannot think of a name** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:56 pm

Auzkhia wrote:My ideal is second car is basically a V6 or Turbo Miata with some comfy seats. Not now, but I'll see what comes up in the next few years. Maybe I'll have a budget then.

I plan on buying a roadster or convertible for cruising and autocross after I get my first real paycheck or a garage, because that'd be easier to manage a second car.

MONSTER MIATA!

I have to admit that this is a car I want to experience far more than own...

by **Auzkhia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:23 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:My ideal is second car is basically a V6 or Turbo Miata with some comfy seats. Not now, but I'll see what comes up in the next few years. Maybe I'll have a budget then.

I plan on buying a roadster or convertible for cruising and autocross after I get my first real paycheck or a garage, because that'd be easier to manage a second car.

Pontiac Solstice? Porsche Boxster? Merc SLK? BMW Z4?

Pretty much.

Saturn Sky, which I think looks better, and the third gen MR2.

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:My ideal is second car is basically a V6 or Turbo Miata with some comfy seats. Not now, but I'll see what comes up in the next few years. Maybe I'll have a budget then.

I plan on buying a roadster or convertible for cruising and autocross after I get my first real paycheck or a garage, because that'd be easier to manage a second car.

MONSTER MIATA!

I have to admit that this is a car I want to experience far more than own...

V8 swaps are quite common, weirdly enough I think 6 cylinder is ideal, the I4 is sufficient but turbo or V6 would work to bring optimal power, especially on the NA and NB MX5s.

I may want to sit on the other side.

by **Petrolheadia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:42 pm

Imagine it's 2004. You're a 32-year-old ex-soldier and an NYPD officer from Queens. You've been taking public transport for the last few years, but now, you want a somewhat special car, some sort of an RWD 2-doorer, for occasional drives. The options are:
- 1995 automatic BMW 325i convertible,
- 1971 automatic 400 ci Pontiac Firebird,
- 1991 automatic 5.2 Jaguar XJS convertible,
- 1970 manual MG MGB roadster,
- 1990 automatic Porsche 944 S2
- 1990 manual Ford Mustang SVO hatchback,
- 1994 automatic Nissan 300ZX coupe,
- 1988 manual BMW M3 coupe,
- 1971 automatic Mercedes 350SL convertible,
- 1983 manual 2.0 Alfa Romeo Spider w/ rollcage,
- 1968 automatic 427 ci Chevrolet Corvette coupe.

Which one would you buy? I think I'd have the M3.

by **Petrolheadia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:54 pm

Auzkhia wrote:I may want to sit on the other side.

The weeb equivalent of an LHD Mercedes in Japan.

by **Patridam** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:23 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:First, the "according to road tests" thing related to the Buick.

My point about the Camaro and ATS still stands. In fact, it's now your personal opinion against the reviews.

Second, the road tests do say the Regal's handling is not that great. It's not a bad car, but it's not really sporty.

They and you must be referring to the regular Regal, not the GS.

Third, while a truck can be used for non-truck stuff, it just can. Better to just outright buy a fullsize sedan or crossover.

Trucks are safer, more spacious, more capable in the terrible weather and snow of Michigan, have far more cachet, are pulled over less often, and have vastly superior depreciation rates than the now almost nonexistent full size car. Plus the Impala oozes that Hertz feeling, and I don't want to touch anything with 3 rows like the Traverse.

Fourth, when I heard "Blazer", I imagined something like the 4Runner and upcoming Bronco, not a Malibu to the Equinox' Cruze and Traverse's Impala.

Ever the thorough researcher I see - although I would honestly prefer a BOF small SUV GM were to make one. What would you say of a midsize unibody Blazer, then?

by **Patridam** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:24 pm

by **Elwher** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:17 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:Imagine it's 2004. You're a 32-year-old ex-soldier and an NYPD officer from Queens. You've been taking public transport for the last few years, but now, you want a somewhat special car, some sort of an RWD 2-doorer, for occasional drives. The options are:
- 1995 automatic BMW 325i convertible,
- 1971 automatic 400 ci Pontiac Firebird,
- 1991 automatic 5.2 Jaguar XJS convertible,
- 1970 manual MG MGB roadster,
- 1990 automatic Porsche 944 S2
- 1990 manual Ford Mustang SVO hatchback,
- 1994 automatic Nissan 300ZX coupe,
- 1988 manual BMW M3 coupe,
- 1971 automatic Mercedes 350SL convertible,
- 1983 manual 2.0 Alfa Romeo Spider w/ rollcage,
- 1968 automatic 427 ci Chevrolet Corvette coupe.

Which one would you buy? I think I'd have the M3.

Given my fondness for LBCs, The MGB would be the obvious choice.

by **Petrolheadia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:34 pm

Patridam wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:First, the "according to road tests" thing related to the Buick.

My point about the Camaro and ATS still stands. In fact, it's now your personal opinion against the reviews.

Second, the road tests do say the Regal's handling is not that great. It's not a bad car, but it's not really sporty.

They and you must be referring to the regular Regal, not the GS.

Third, while a truck can be used for non-truck stuff, it just can. Better to just outright buy a fullsize sedan or crossover.

Trucks are safer, more spacious, more capable in the terrible weather and snow of Michigan, have far more cachet, are pulled over less often, and have vastly superior depreciation rates than the now almost nonexistent full size car. Plus the Impala oozes that Hertz feeling, and I don't want to touch anything with 3 rows like the Traverse.

Fourth, when I heard "Blazer", I imagined something like the 4Runner and upcoming Bronco, not a Malibu to the Equinox' Cruze and Traverse's Impala.

Ever the thorough researcher I see - although I would honestly prefer a BOF small SUV GM were to make one. What would you say of a midsize unibody Blazer, then?

Firsr, I called the Camaro "pointless" in this case because the ATS can be had on the same platform with 4 doors.

Second, maybe. The GSi hasn't rolled out yet, although it's hard for me to expect it to be that much better. It's still a midsize beigemobile.

Third, if you really want a truck after researching it, you could have told me. There is a difference between "MUH TRUCK" and "I'm buying a truck because...".

Fourth, the Blazer is the list's "meh" car. Not the fastest, not the toughest, not the most luxurious, but it's OK.

by **Petrolheadia** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:35 pm

Patridam wrote:Or, I could just abandon the idea of a new-ish GM car and get a classic that's new enough and in nice enough condition to daily drive....

Cadillac
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100960673
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100915390
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100748543
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100912078

Buick
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... 100866141#
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... 100948649#
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100839075
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100748510

Oldsmobile
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100954565
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100954364
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100950631
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100927741
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100911989
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100880734
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100789883

Pontiac
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... 100924970#
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... 100922137#
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100882749
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic ... /100774477

etcetera

I think there's a reason new car designs roll out - classics will have problems with safety, standard kit and old GM build quality.

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:05 am

Elwher wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Imagine it's 2004. You're a 32-year-old ex-soldier and an NYPD officer from Queens. You've been taking public transport for the last few years, but now, you want a somewhat special car, some sort of an RWD 2-doorer, for occasional drives. The options are:
- 1995 automatic BMW 325i convertible,
- 1971 automatic 400 ci Pontiac Firebird,
- 1991 automatic 5.2 Jaguar XJS convertible,
- 1970 manual MG MGB roadster,
- 1990 automatic Porsche 944 S2
- 1990 manual Ford Mustang SVO hatchback,
- 1994 automatic Nissan 300ZX coupe,
- 1988 manual BMW M3 coupe,
- 1971 automatic Mercedes 350SL convertible,
- 1983 manual 2.0 Alfa Romeo Spider w/ rollcage,
- 1968 automatic 427 ci Chevrolet Corvette coupe.

Which one would you buy? I think I'd have the M3.

Given my fondness for LBCs, The MGB would be the obvious choice.

To be fair, the BMW is an evolution of that: keeping the idea of a somewhat compactish European RWD car, but with more power, better handling and reliability and a better price prognosis.

by **Auzkhia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:30 am

What is more likely? Mitsubishi leaving the USDM or a French brand entering the USDM?

The latter, because it's been confirmed. However, Mitsubishi is still around, but it has not much to offer.

PSA's return is gradual, but their strategy is starting with ridesharing to get brand recognition, and start selling within a few years.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:19 pm

Auzkhia wrote:What is more likely? Mitsubishi leaving the USDM or a French brand entering the USDM?

The latter, because it's been confirmed. However, Mitsubishi is still around, but it has not much to offer.

PSA's return is gradual, but their strategy is starting with ridesharing to get brand recognition, and start selling within a few years.

It felt a bit like Peugeot was expanding its brand name a bit in ways that seemed to suggest it was trying to reintroduce itself to the US. Interesting about Opel, too.

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:27 pm

Auzkhia wrote:What is more likely? Mitsubishi leaving the USDM or a French brand entering the USDM?

The latter, because it's been confirmed. However, Mitsubishi is still around, but it has not much to offer.

PSA's return is gradual, but their strategy is starting with ridesharing to get brand recognition, and start selling within a few years.

Well, with the award-winning EMP2 platform, 3008/5008 CUV and planned 300 HP hybrids, the time is now.

They could market it as Euro flair for the guy who can't afford a Jaguar or a Maserati, like Saab did in the 60s and 70s.

by **Auzkhia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:13 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:What is more likely? Mitsubishi leaving the USDM or a French brand entering the USDM?

The latter, because it's been confirmed. However, Mitsubishi is still around, but it has not much to offer.

PSA's return is gradual, but their strategy is starting with ridesharing to get brand recognition, and start selling within a few years.

Well, with the award-winning EMP2 platform, 3008/5008 CUV and planned 300 HP hybrids, the time is now.

They could market it as Euro flair for the guy who can't afford a Jaguar or a Maserati, like Saab did in the 60s and 70s.

Yes, and make good use of Citroën's DS luxury sub-brand.

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:27 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Well, with the award-winning EMP2 platform, 3008/5008 CUV and planned 300 HP hybrids, the time is now.

They could market it as Euro flair for the guy who can't afford a Jaguar or a Maserati, like Saab did in the 60s and 70s.

Yes, and make good use of Citroën's DS luxury sub-brand.

It will be hard to push forward with sharp curves in a time when Cadillac, Lexus and Infiniti, three well-established in the US brands, are doing the same thing.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:33 pm

Where do I go to put down a deposit on a Spinner?

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:36 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Where do I go to put down a deposit on a Spinner?
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The hell?

by **Cannot think of a name** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:50 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Where do I go to put down a deposit on a Spinner?
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The hell?

Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:53 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The hell?

Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

I'd rather they put the money on the new car designs.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:09 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

I'd rather they put the money on the new car designs.

Welp. That was a fun balloon.

by **Petrolheadia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:38 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:I'd rather they put the money on the new car designs.

Welp. That was a fun balloon.

The 308, 3008 and 5008 show they can make some really nice stuff if they invest the cash.

by **Vassenor** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:39 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The hell?

Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

...Why are we acting like product placement is a new thing?

by **Cannot think of a name** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

...Why are we acting like product placement is a new thing?

Who is acting like product placement is a new thing?

by **Auzkhia** » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Peugeot paid some money to have their name go on the back of the iconic flying police cars in Bladerunner 2049.

...Why are we acting like product placement is a new thing?

Robocop used the Ford Taurus in the 80s, and now cops drive Ford Taurus interceptors.

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