The General Car Thread.

[NeoOasis]

Just a few years ago the same engine made a lot more, over 300 hp, emissions technology were bad, it's why the 1960s were seen as a golden age among many American car enthusiasts.

Man... just a few years ago the LS7 was pushing 500 horsepower. The Honda Civic Type R today is pushing well over 300 with only 2 liters of displacement... In the 1970s, 170 out of 7 liters was pathetic even then. That comes out to about 24 horsepower per liter... that just over half what the 1977 Accord could do. 72 horsepower out of 1.6 liters comes out to around 44 horsepower per liter. Which is fairly close to what the last gen Mustang got out of their 4.0 V6 base engine.

The Accord managed this while being emissions legal without the weirdness US automakers went through to legalize their cars. Mind you smaller American cars tended to be a bit more competitive such as the AMC Pacer and to a lesser extent Ford Pinto.

[Auzkhia]

Man... just a few years ago the LS7 was pushing 500 horsepower. The Honda Civic Type R today is pushing well over 300 with only 2 liters of displacement... In the 1970s, 170 out of 7 liters was pathetic even then. That comes out to about 24 horsepower per liter... that just over half what the 1977 Accord could do. 72 horsepower out of 1.6 liters comes out to around 44 horsepower per liter. Which is fairly close to what the last gen Mustang got out of their 4.0 V6 base engine.

The Accord managed this while being emissions legal without the weirdness US automakers went through to legalize their cars. Mind you smaller American cars tended to be a bit more competitive such as the AMC Pacer and to a lesser extent Ford Pinto.

Clever engineering figures out how to optimize power while still keeping efficiency and emissions in mind. It takes some time. Sure cars are heavier due to safety equipment, but the power gains offset it. I have a 224hp 4.6 liter V8 car, before that had a 194hp 2.8 liter V6 car. Sure, the 16 valve modular is understressed and has potential to make more, but it's enough to get it going.

Now, it's normal for V8s to have >400hp, mind you, V8s are mostly around in performance cars, if not, just trucks. V6s are now sufficient for full size cars and SUVs, and some trucks, especially with turbos becoming more commonplace.

[Petrolheadia]

Just a few years ago the same engine made a lot more, over 300 hp, emissions technology were bad, it's why the 1960s were seen as a golden age among many American car enthusiasts.

Man... just a few years ago the LS7 was pushing 500 horsepower. The Honda Civic Type R today is pushing well over 300 with only 2 liters of displacement... In the 1970s, 170 out of 7 liters was pathetic even then. That comes out to about 24 horsepower per liter... that just over half what the 1977 Accord could do. 72 horsepower out of 1.6 liters comes out to around 44 horsepower per liter. Which is fairly close to what the last gen Mustang got out of their 4.0 V6 base engine.

The Accord managed this while being emissions legal without the weirdness US automakers went through to legalize their cars. Mind you smaller American cars tended to be a bit more competitive such as the AMC Pacer and to a lesser extent Ford Pinto.

Accords didn't require catalytic converters and EGR not because they had high specific outputs, but because they had CVCC.

[Gim]

Man... just a few years ago the LS7 was pushing 500 horsepower. The Honda Civic Type R today is pushing well over 300 with only 2 liters of displacement... In the 1970s, 170 out of 7 liters was pathetic even then. That comes out to about 24 horsepower per liter... that just over half what the 1977 Accord could do. 72 horsepower out of 1.6 liters comes out to around 44 horsepower per liter. Which is fairly close to what the last gen Mustang got out of their 4.0 V6 base engine.

The Accord managed this while being emissions legal without the weirdness US automakers went through to legalize their cars. Mind you smaller American cars tended to be a bit more competitive such as the AMC Pacer and to a lesser extent Ford Pinto.

Accords didn't require catalytic converters and EGR not because they had high specific outputs, but because they had CVCC.

Aren't catalytic converters good for the environment, though?

[Petrolheadia]

Accords didn't require catalytic converters and EGR not because they had high specific outputs, but because they had CVCC.

Aren't catalytic converters good for the environment, though?

It balances out when the converter with 70s shielding sets grass on fire.

Also, the Accord passed emission testing without one.

[Gim]

Aren't catalytic converters good for the environment, though?

It balances out when the converter with 70s shielding sets grass on fire.

Also, the Accord passed emission testing without one.

[Militant Costco]

Aren't catalytic converters good for the environment, though?

It balances out when the converter with 70s shielding sets grass on fire.

Also, the Accord passed emission testing without one.

That's a prime example of Japanese engineering right there.

That or Honda beat VW in the emissions cheating game.

[Gim]

It balances out when the converter with 70s shielding sets grass on fire.

Also, the Accord passed emission testing without one.

That's a prime example of Japanese engineering right there.

That or Honda beat VW in the emissions cheating game.

That's why I trust Scandinavian and Korean cars.

[Militant Costco]

That's a prime example of Japanese engineering right there.

That or Honda beat VW in the emissions cheating game.

That's why I trust Scandinavian and Korean cars.

As far as I know the only Scandinavian car manufacturer around today is Volvo which is now owned and operated by a Chinese car manufacturer notorious for copying other cars.

And I still remember the days when Korean cars were what you gave your mother-in-law when you really wanted to show your "appreciation". Although I'll admit, they're pumping out some good models today.

[Petrolheadia]

It balances out when the converter with 70s shielding sets grass on fire.

Also, the Accord passed emission testing without one.

That's a prime example of Japanese engineering right there.

That or Honda beat VW in the emissions cheating game.

IIRC Honda once fitted the CVCC system to a V8 Chevrolet Impala (not sure about the specific capacity), as a test. That Impala also didn't need a catalytic converter.

[Gim]

That's why I trust Scandinavian and Korean cars.

As far as I know the only Scandinavian car manufacturer around today is Volvo which is now owned and operated by a Chinese car manufacturer notorious for copying other cars.

And I still remember the days when Korean cars were what you gave your mother-in-law when you really wanted to show your "appreciation". Although I'll admit, they're pumping out some good models today.

Kona's pretty neat, in my opinion.

[Swanduland]

What if someone decided to remove the back seats and put a V8 in a Ford KA?

[Gim]

What if someone decided to remove the back seats and put a V8 in a Ford KA?

Still can't catch up to Dodge Ram.

[Swanduland]

What if someone decided to remove the back seats and put a V8 in a Ford KA?

Still can't catch up to Dodge Ram.

If you put a V12 in it? (If it fits.)

[Militant Costco]

That's a prime example of Japanese engineering right there.

That or Honda beat VW in the emissions cheating game.

IIRC Honda once fitted the CVCC system to a V8 Chevrolet Impala (not sure about the specific capacity), as a test. That Impala also didn't need a catalytic converter.

Japan made some good stuff back then, too made all they do now is make funny looking cars with giant grills.

[Gim]

Still can't catch up to Dodge Ram.

If you put a V12 in it? (If it fits.)

Maybe. Don't put V8 in it, though. Drink V8. (I love my sense of humor. )

[Militant Costco]

Still can't catch up to Dodge Ram.

If you put a V12 in it? (If it fits.)

The torque steer will cause you to ram into the Ram.

[Gim]

If you put a V12 in it? (If it fits.)

The torque steer will cause you to ram into the Ram.

Yeah, traction is bad for trucks, anyways.

[Swanduland]

If you put a V12 in it? (If it fits.)

The torque steer will cause you to ram into the Ram.

Now using all our knowledge, lets create a V8 Ford KA concept car!

[Gim]

The torque steer will cause you to ram into the Ram.

Now using all our knowledge, lets create a V8 Ford KA concept car!

Ford, the strong,
Ford, the mighty!

[Militant Costco]

Now using all our knowledge, lets create a V8 Ford KA concept car!

Ford, the strong,
Ford, the mighty!

Ah yes Ford

The daddy of traction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwoYci5yWGw

[Gim]

Ford, the strong,
Ford, the mighty!

Ah yes Ford

The daddy of traction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwoYci5yWGw

[Petrolheadia]

What if someone decided to remove the back seats and put a V8 in a Ford KA?

I think a Pontiac Fiero with an LS-engine fitment kit would be the best donor.

However, I'd also advise a front Fiero suspension swap, and suspension upgrade, and bigger tires, and, most importantly, an uprated radiator.

We'd basically end up with a Ford Ka silhouette car.

[Gim]

What if someone decided to remove the back seats and put a V8 in a Ford KA?

I think a Pontiac Fiero with an LS-engine fitment kit would be the best donor.

However, I'd also advise a front Fiero suspension swap, and suspension upgrade, and bigger tires, and, most importantly, an uprated radiator.

We'd basically end up with a Ford Ka silhouette car.

Wheel differential should be brand new as well. I paid a grand for a new one, after the old one broke down.

[Petrolheadia]

I think a Pontiac Fiero with an LS-engine fitment kit would be the best donor.

However, I'd also advise a front Fiero suspension swap, and suspension upgrade, and bigger tires, and, most importantly, an uprated radiator.

We'd basically end up with a Ford Ka silhouette car.

Wheel differential should be brand new as well. I paid a grand for a new one, after the old one broke down.

That comes with the Fiero.