The General Car Thread.

[Keyboard Warriors]

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>log into nsg
>see fuckery
>click car thread for normality
>get confused
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>is confused

[Auzkhia]

Speaking of 4chan.

I found this, what do you all think? I am sneakily pleased that my car is on it.

[Costa Fierro]

Speaking of 4chan.

I found this, what do you all think? I am sneakily pleased that my car is on it.

You mean the "Thy Name Is Catastrophic Underbody Rust" C Class?

[Auzkhia]

Speaking of 4chan.

I found this, what do you all think? I am sneakily pleased that my car is on it.

You mean the "Thy Name Is Catastrophic Underbody Rust" C Class?

Bah, I've already got the rust taken care of.

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Inspired by finding old keys. Would you have the Dodge Shadow, 1989 BMW 535i, or a 1998 Isuzu Rodeo?

[Petrolheadia]

Guys, the 2016 European Car Of The Year is being chosen. What if you were to choose it? Here are the cars considered for the title (remember that it has to be an all-rounder suited for the Euro roads and cities):
- Audi A4 B9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A4#B9
- BMW 7-Series G11 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series_(G11)
- Jaguar XE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XE
- Mazda MX-5 ND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX- ... n_.28ND.29
- Opel/Vauxhall Astra K - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astr ... present.29
- Skoda Superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Superb
- Volvo XC90 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC9 ... present.29

What is your choice? I would go for the Volvo, because it has a great interior, is very safe, has lots of gadgets, is fuel economical and cheaper than the competitors.

[Petrolheadia]

Started another "Let's design a car together" thread!
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=365287

[The Two Jerseys]

You mean the "Thy Name Is Catastrophic Underbody Rust" C Class?

Bah, I've already got the rust taken care of.

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Inspired by finding old keys. Would you have the Dodge Shadow, 1989 BMW 535i, or a 1998 Isuzu Rodeo?

BMW. Definitely the BMW.

Guys, the 2016 European Car Of The Year is being chosen. What if you were to choose it? Here are the cars considered for the title (remember that it has to be an all-rounder suited for the Euro roads and cities):
- Audi A4 B9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A4#B9
- BMW 7-Series G11 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series_(G11)
- Jaguar XE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XE
- Mazda MX-5 ND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX- ... n_.28ND.29
- Opel/Vauxhall Astra K - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astr ... present.29
- Skoda Superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Superb
- Volvo XC90 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC9 ... present.29

What is your choice? I would go for the Volvo, because it has a great interior, is very safe, has lots of gadgets, is fuel economical and cheaper than the competitors.

The Jaaaaag, because it's a Jaaaaag.

[Auzkhia]

Guys, the 2016 European Car Of The Year is being chosen. What if you were to choose it? Here are the cars considered for the title (remember that it has to be an all-rounder suited for the Euro roads and cities):
- Audi A4 B9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A4#B9
- BMW 7-Series G11 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series_(G11)
- Jaguar XE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XE
- Mazda MX-5 ND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX- ... n_.28ND.29
- Opel/Vauxhall Astra K - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astr ... present.29
- Skoda Superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Superb
- Volvo XC90 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC9 ... present.29

What is your choice? I would go for the Volvo, because it has a great interior, is very safe, has lots of gadgets, is fuel economical and cheaper than the competitors.

Either the Miata or the 7 Series.

[Patridam]

AUTO ARBITER
"Where consumers and enthusiasts come together"
EDDIE CAHILL TESTS THE NEW SWAIN SCHOONER

The first thing anyone needs to know about the new Swain, is that the term 'new' is being used very loosely. The Swain division of Stafford Motor Company is arguably the most conservative brand made in our fair country, and it shows in the subtedly of the changes to its full size Schooner and its decontented sibling, the Swain Sloop. Unlike the Earl ads that proclaim how sophisticated their new cars look, there was never a single person that couldn't recognize our powder blue over white test car as a Swain, through and through. But that's not a bad thing. Swains are dependable, comfortable, powerful, and reasonably priced cars for the middle manager or factory foreman in all of us, and the formula works - so the continual refinement and improvement we see coming out of Hohman is enough to keep Swain number 4 in the industry and 2nd among middle-price cars.

STYLING

The Schooner is, even with the new update, not as modern-looking as many current models. I think that may be to keep current customers from getting too rattled with great change, but considering the Swain audience already trends older than any brand save Lassiter, I would have thought something a little more exciting was in order.
But there is no denying it is a very handsome car. The trademark toothy grin is even bigger and bolder this year, overriding the bumper all the way to the road. A long sweep spear now runs the length of the car, with a severe kick up at the rear wheel. It makes a little less sense on the high end Schooner since it comes with skirts as standard, with the kick probably looking better on the unskirted Sloop. The car can be had with up to three different colors, since the roof, the area above the sweep, and the area below are all independently selected, although usually it's either two tone or one color and black and white. They terminate in little round taillights, below slightly raised fins.
The most intriguing styling cue is exclusive to the two door models. The four doors are relatively conventional, the Sloop model a pillared sedan and the Schooner a pillarless hardtop. But the two doors models, rather than having side windows per se, have a massive wraparound rear window in three pieces that starts behind the door pillar. It's quite sharp, and lends a very distinctive flair to an otherwise inoffensive design, but it cuts down on rear hip room in the back and is perhaps too showy for some. Two of the parts of the slide open on Sloop models, the same parts roll down in the Schooner.

UTILITY

The interior is as understated as the outside, and makes no attempt at sportiness, instead pursuing a refined and modest sort of luxury. Our Schooner model had a 40/60 split bench front seat, in pantycloth-type fabric. Leather is one of a few niceties that are still optional on the Schooners. Sloops come standard with high-quality vinyl. The dashboard is padded with an engine-turned gold-tone face, with big round dials that are fairly easy to read, that is, when the dash isn't shining in your eyes. The large white steering wheel seemed rather unnecessary given the very light power steering, but the dead-pedal and equal-height brake/throttle were well designed and easy to use. Swain still continues to use idiot lights for all functions besides temperature, despite its sister make Stafford having what might be called unnecessarily thorough gauges. Power windows and four way power seats were easy to reach, although side bolstering on the seats is poor and no matter how you adjust the seat it still puts you in a rather high "command" seating position. Fingertip speed control and manual air conditioning are standard, and performed their jobs without any fuss.
The Schooner is a full size car, not unusually large, but its height allows for headroom best among non-luxury cars, while legroom and hiproom, excluding the rear seat on the coupes, is good but not-class leading. The back seat in our two door was really more suitable for two people than three thanks to the curved sides for the window, but it had adequate leg and headroom. Highway ride is glassy smooth, better than Stafford even, although not quite Hirondelle level. Sound deadening is also rather good, with a quiet 58 dB at 65 mph.
The trunk is big and deep, with a bumper-height liftover. The full size spare tire sits to the side, leaving 21 cubic feet for storage, enough for any number of bulky six foot long objects. While there's no fancy "ski bag" for long objects, the rear seat does fold down to fit a standard sheet of plywood flat on the floor. Our car had the optional soft close trunk, which we felt was a bit gimmicky.

PERFORMANCE

Swain has done little to its drive train in this update, sticking with its venerable overhead valve inline eight. Displacing 350 cubic inches, it has a bore and stroke both of 3 and 13/16th inches. On premium gas - yes, you can operate it on regular but remember to flip the switch on the dash if you do otherwise you might get engine knock - it delivers 320 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque, and as per government estimates get 17 city, 27 highway, and 21 combined. The transmission is the Swain-exclusive Dyn-O-Soar continuously variable unit we had a special on last month, which provides butter smooth acceleration from 0-60 in 7.0 seconds. The lower gearing of this transmission keeps the top speed at an acceptable but not-astounding 140 mph, although the straight eight under the long hood sounds best when purring away at 80 mph.
Meanwhile, to stop that 5212 lbs of iron, four wheel disc nonskid units give braking distances from 60 mph of about 150 feet with no discernible fade and very little lockup. Likewise, handling even in emergency situations is composed, until the very limit when all hell breaks loose. We got it through our pylon course at a good 51 mph, but when we tried to go faster the back end broke with traction totally and the car slid into the ditch. This is not a difficult to drive car, nor a dangerous one, but its focus on making the driver blissfully unaware of his surroundings means he may not know when he is really testing the beast's limits, with no culprit having more to do with it than the light power reticulating ball steering that gives almost no feel. Also coming stemming from the car's concern with comfort over all else, we see heavy nose lift on acceleration and moderate nosedive on braking as a symptom of the car's soft torsion springs. The anti-sway bars the size of my old lady's forearm keep it fairly flat in corners but can't hide the dive.

SUMMARY

There's nothing particularly earth-shattering about the new Swain, but there's certainly nothing that would make it a bad car in any way. It's fast enough, efficient for its size and weight, comfortable, quiet, and not a bad deal for the money. Is it a handling champion? No. Will it impress the boys at the timing association? No, if you want a straight eight performance car look at the compact Stafford. This is a soft car, for soft people. But I know a bunch of fellows who wouldn't have it any other way.

[Pensyltuckee Island]

Guys, the 2016 European Car Of The Year is being chosen. What if you were to choose it? Here are the cars considered for the title (remember that it has to be an all-rounder suited for the Euro roads and cities):
- Audi A4 B9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A4#B9
- BMW 7-Series G11 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_7_Series_(G11)
- Jaguar XE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XE
- Mazda MX-5 ND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX- ... n_.28ND.29
- Opel/Vauxhall Astra K - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astr ... present.29
- Skoda Superb - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Superb
- Volvo XC90 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_XC9 ... present.29

What is your choice? I would go for the Volvo, because it has a great interior, is very safe, has lots of gadgets, is fuel economical and cheaper than the competitors.

Yep, Volvo.

[Pensyltuckee Island]

What do y'all think about the 'Cash for Clunkers' thing set up by the US government back in 2009? In my opinion, it was a completely useless and pointless program that wasted taxpayer's money and destroyed decent working cars that people could have used. My opinion, it was probably one of the dumbest things the federal government has ever done.

[Auzkhia]

What do y'all think about the 'Cash for Clunkers' thing set up by the US government back in 2009? In my opinion, it was a completely useless and pointless program that wasted taxpayer's money and destroyed decent working cars that people could have used. My opinion, it was probably one of the dumbest things the federal government has ever done.

I'm mixed, on one hand people traded their 10 year old Ford Explorers for new Toyota Corollas, but on the other hand it destroyed some rare classics like the Buick GNX, GMC Syclone, Ford Taurus SHO, and Maserati Biturbo.

[Petrolheadia]

What do y'all think about the 'Cash for Clunkers' thing set up by the US government back in 2009? In my opinion, it was a completely useless and pointless program that wasted taxpayer's money and destroyed decent working cars that people could have used. My opinion, it was probably one of the dumbest things the federal government has ever done.

I'm mixed, on one hand people traded their 10 year old Ford Explorers for new Toyota Corollas, but on the other hand it destroyed some rare classics like the Buick GNX, GMC Syclone, Ford Taurus SHO, and Maserati Biturbo.

But it was just a bunch of cars.

[Patridam]

I'm mixed, on one hand people traded their 10 year old Ford Explorers for new Toyota Corollas, but on the other hand it destroyed some rare classics like the Buick GNX, GMC Syclone, Ford Taurus SHO, and Maserati Biturbo.

But it was just a bunch of cars.

It destroyed a ton of perfectly good cars,some of which had low mileage and were in mind condition, or were rare, forcing junkyards to use gel in the engine that was supposed to overheat and blow the engine to render the car unusable. It was horrific.

It killed all sorts of small mom-and-pop used car dealerships, wiping out their inventory. It brought up the price of cheap used cars exponentially, making it more difficult to get basic transportation for the poor to go to work. And, defeating the entire purpose of the program, most of the cars were traded in for SUV's and crossovers that got scarcely better gas mileage than what they replaced.

[Petrolheadia]

But it was just a bunch of cars.

It destroyed a ton of perfectly good cars,some of which had low mileage and were in mind condition, or were rare, forcing junkyards to use gel in the engine that was supposed to overheat and blow the engine to render the car unusable. It was horrific.

It killed all sorts of small mom-and-pop used car dealerships, wiping out their inventory. It brought up the price of cheap used cars exponentially, making it more difficult to get basic transportation for the poor to go to work. And, defeating the entire purpose of the program, most of the cars were traded in for SUV's and crossovers that got scarcely better gas mileage than what they replaced.

It sped the economy up, making bigger junkyard traffic, new car sales and whatnot.

[Patridam]

It destroyed a ton of perfectly good cars,some of which had low mileage and were in mind condition, or were rare, forcing junkyards to use gel in the engine that was supposed to overheat and blow the engine to render the car unusable. It was horrific.

It killed all sorts of small mom-and-pop used car dealerships, wiping out their inventory. It brought up the price of cheap used cars exponentially, making it more difficult to get basic transportation for the poor to go to work. And, defeating the entire purpose of the program, most of the cars were traded in for SUV's and crossovers that got scarcely better gas mileage than what they replaced.

It sped the economy up, making bigger junkyard traffic, new car sales and whatnot.

You don't live in America, so you only know what Obama said it was supposed to do. It did not do what he said it would do, which was improve the economy, and put more efficient cars on the road. I saw it singlehandedly put my father's used car dealership into bankruptcy, and now he is stuck as a mechanic again. I saw my friend's family trade in a crown Victoria that was one mpg too low to be exempted from cash for clunkers, and replace it with a Nissan Armada that got exponentially worse mileage.

Cash For Clunkers was a complete and utter disaster.

[Petrolheadia]

It sped the economy up, making bigger junkyard traffic, new car sales and whatnot.

You don't live in America, so you only know what Obama said it was supposed to do. It did not do what he said it would do, which was improve the economy, and put more efficient cars on the road. I saw it singlehandedly put my father's used car dealership into bankruptcy, and now he is stuck as a mechanic again. I saw my friend's family trade in a crown Victoria that was one mpg too low to be exempted from cash for clunkers, and replace it with a Nissan Armada that got exponentially worse mileage.

Cash For Clunkers was a complete and utter disaster.

Well, you probably say so because it had hurt your family. From what I know, such projects made American economy get up and running, while austerity and saving amongst families made European economy barely crawl.

[Patridam]

You don't live in America, so you only know what Obama said it was supposed to do. It did not do what he said it would do, which was improve the economy, and put more efficient cars on the road. I saw it singlehandedly put my father's used car dealership into bankruptcy, and now he is stuck as a mechanic again. I saw my friend's family trade in a crown Victoria that was one mpg too low to be exempted from cash for clunkers, and replace it with a Nissan Armada that got exponentially worse mileage.

Cash For Clunkers was a complete and utter disaster.

Well, you probably say so because it had hurt your family. From what I know, such projects made American economy get up and running, while austerity and saving amongst families made European economy barely crawl.

Such "jumpstart" projects rely in Keynesian economic theory, which is fundamentally false. Government investment in the economy creates artificial highs that cannot be sustained, its more like running an electric shock through a corpse than it is any sort of "jump start".

I say its a failure because I have seen no good things come of it in real life, and it makes me physically ill to watch videos of people running perfectly good American cars to the ground because of government orders on high, especially when the people who traded such cars in replaced them with Japanese and German pieces of junk.

[GreatestBanks]

What would be the best cheap police car? (Under $25,000 USD)
Your thoughts NSG?

[Auzkhia]

What would be the best cheap police car? (Under $25,000 USD)
Your thoughts NSG?

Ford Crown Vic, the classically correct one.

[GreatestBanks]

What would be the best cheap police car? (Under $25,000 USD)
Your thoughts NSG?

Ford Crown Vic, the classically correct one.

We should arm all of our police cars like this tbh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUe_7-j4qpI
That would make the Crown Victoria much better.
And what is the price of a Police Crown Victoria?

[The Two Jerseys]

You don't live in America, so you only know what Obama said it was supposed to do. It did not do what he said it would do, which was improve the economy, and put more efficient cars on the road. I saw it singlehandedly put my father's used car dealership into bankruptcy, and now he is stuck as a mechanic again. I saw my friend's family trade in a crown Victoria that was one mpg too low to be exempted from cash for clunkers, and replace it with a Nissan Armada that got exponentially worse mileage.

Cash For Clunkers was a complete and utter disaster.

Well, you probably say so because it had hurt your family. From what I know, such projects made American economy get up and running, while austerity and saving amongst families made European economy barely crawl.

From Wikipedia:

In a study published after the program ended, Burton A. Abrams and George R. Parsons, professors at the University of Delaware, concluded that for each vehicle trade, the program had a net cost of approximately $2,000.[16]

A September 2010 study by Atif R. Mian and Amir Sufi concluded that the program simply pulled purchases from the future: it produced a short-lived effect (360,000 additional cars sold in 2 months), but that the effect was almost completely reversed in the 7 following months due to fewer cars sold, and found no evidence of effect on employment, house prices, or household default rates in cities with higher exposure.[58][59]

Jacksonville State University economist and Ludwig von Mises Institute scholar Christopher Westley said that the program "sticks it" to the poor and lower-middle classes by raising the price of the remaining cars in the secondary market, as well as by raising the general price level resulting from the monetary inflation required to finance it. Westley called CARS the "I Hate the Poor Act of 2009".[61]

Despite Transportation Secretary LaHood claims that the program would benefit scrapyards,[62] auto recyclers and scrapyards have lamented the limited profit potential of the program, including the costs of transporting and removal of toxic waste such as motor oil, coolant, refrigerants, gasoline, unrecoverable plastics, and other items)[63] from the car before processing, which can amount to between $700–$1,200 per car. Some recyclers refuse to participate in the program due to this.[37][63]

Early reports showed that the program, though promoted as bolstering Detroit’s embattled carmakers, have actually increased market share for Japanese and Korean automakers. According to data published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Americans have used the scrappage incentives to buy more vehicles from Toyota than any of the three Detroit carmakers. Only Ford did not drop in market share after the program was introduced.[13]

Charitable organizations bemoaned the program, noting the lack of repairable cars for charity purposes, and a source of revenue to fund programs.[67] A collection of charities, under the umbrella of Pete Palmer's Vehicle Donation Processing Center, reported a 7.5% decline in car donations in the month the Car Allowance Rebate System debuted.[68]

Doesn't sound like much of an economic stimulus to me.

[Auzkhia]

Ford Crown Vic, the classically correct one.

We should arm all of our police cars like this tbh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUe_7-j4qpI
That would make the Crown Victoria much better.
And what is the price of a Police Crown Victoria?

It varies but it's less than $11,000, but you could get one for much less.

[GreatestBanks]

We should arm all of our police cars like this tbh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUe_7-j4qpI
That would make the Crown Victoria much better.
And what is the price of a Police Crown Victoria?

It varies but it's less than $11,000, but you could get one for much less.

That's pretty good.
Should we arm all of our police cars as shown in the video I linked?

[Auzkhia]

It varies but it's less than $11,000, but you could get one for much less.

That's pretty good.
Should we arm all of our police cars as shown in the video I linked?

Yes, and why not attach Boadicea Wheels?