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Postby The Grim Reaper » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:49 am

United States of Conner wrote:I dont know how to convince some people that I would rather go sit in a nice little café than go to church. It doesn't seem complex.


Find a cafe called "Church", then tell people you're going to church.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:49 am

United States of Conner wrote:I dont know how to convince some people that I would rather go sit in a nice little café than go to church. It doesn't seem complex.

They are trying to save your immortal soul from eternal damnation, you heathen.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:49 am

The Lacedaemonians wrote:
Immoren wrote:Remind me to sacrifice a thrall to Óðinn this yuletide.

But what about Tapio? That is also his time of year. :p


I think king of the forest is asleep this time of the year. :p
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:49 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:The Bible has a patent on Jesus Christ.

Just the other day, they sent me a DCMA take-down notice regarding "your belief system". So now I'm a Wiccan.

It's really quite tragic. I was told that the TPP will be extending the Bible's power to Muslims, unless the Koran can mount a successful legal defense.

The Islam will be devastated, because you do not have a Quran without Jesus. There was only so much they could write about the 'prophet' Mohammed without making certain without a doubt that he was nothing more than a highly efficient warlord with a predilection for mass murder and delusions of the divine.

It depends what Hadith you're going by.
Not really seeing how much he ensured religious pluralism and lack of civilian casualties. Its also pretty suspicious since, for centuries, resentful communities of Pagans, Radical Jewish sects and Heterodox Ghulat actively spread rumours and lies about Muhammad. Some of wiich, ironically made it into later Hadith.

Also, Conquerers like Mu'awiyah and Yazid tried to use fabricated hadith to justify their actions. And there were infinite opportunities to make such hadith.

But yes, Muhammad was a warrior and a conquerer. And thats part of why I respect him. Your tears are delicious.
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The Lacedaemonians
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Postby The Lacedaemonians » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:50 am

Jochistan wrote:It depends what Hadith you're going by.
Not really seeing how much he ensured religious pluralism and lack of civilian casualties. Its also pretty suspicious since, for centuries, resentful communities of Pagans, Radical Jewish sects and Heterodox Ghulat actively spread rumours and lies about Muhammad. Some of wiich, ironically made it into later Hadith.

Also, Conquerers like Mu'awiyah and Yazid tried to use fabricated hadith to justify their actions. And there were infinite opportunities to make such hadith.

So which of the Hadith are considered valid and by what criteria are they measured?
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:51 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:The Bible has a patent on Jesus Christ.

Just the other day, they sent me a DCMA take-down notice regarding "your belief system". So now I'm a Wiccan.

It's really quite tragic. I was told that the TPP will be extending the Bible's power to Muslims, unless the Koran can mount a successful legal defense.

The Islam will be devastated, because you do not have a Quran without Jesus. There was only so much they could write about the 'prophet' Mohammed without making certain without a doubt that he was nothing more than a highly efficient warlord with a predilection for mass murder and delusions of the divine. Hence why the teachings of Jesus were recycled by the people who compiled and edited the Quran in the first few decades after the Arabs successfully stumbled into creating an Islamic empire.

Stumbled? Oh, but they succeeded.

And yeah, Jesus is seen as a Prophet, so yes, his teachings were expanded upon.
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Postby Gallade » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:54 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:I dont know how to convince some people that I would rather go sit in a nice little café than go to church. It doesn't seem complex.


Find a cafe called "Church", then tell people you're going to church.

It works for pubs called "The Office", at any rate.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:55 am

United States of Conner wrote:I dont know how to convince some people that I would rather go sit in a nice little café than go to church. It doesn't seem complex.

When they ask you to go to church, tell them you'd rather go to a quiet café...
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:55 am

The Lacedaemonians wrote:
Jochistan wrote:It depends what Hadith you're going by.
Not really seeing how much he ensured religious pluralism and lack of civilian casualties. Its also pretty suspicious since, for centuries, resentful communities of Pagans, Radical Jewish sects and Heterodox Ghulat actively spread rumours and lies about Muhammad. Some of wiich, ironically made it into later Hadith.

Also, Conquerers like Mu'awiyah and Yazid tried to use fabricated hadith to justify their actions. And there were infinite opportunities to make such hadith.

So which of the Hadith are considered valid and by what criteria are they measured?

By how allegedly morally sound the people who said it are. Basically they're all. " I knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who knew Muhammad and Muhammad said X"

It's shaky at best. Which is why several sects have seen to de-emphazizing/reform of them (many Sufi Orders) or use of different traditions/books (Most Shia) or rejection of them alltogether (Qur'anists)
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Postby The Lacedaemonians » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:55 am

Gallade wrote:It works for pubs called "The Office", at any rate.

Wonder what kind of drinks they'd serve at a place with a name like that.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:57 am

The Lacedaemonians wrote:
Jochistan wrote:It depends what Hadith you're going by.
Not really seeing how much he ensured religious pluralism and lack of civilian casualties. Its also pretty suspicious since, for centuries, resentful communities of Pagans, Radical Jewish sects and Heterodox Ghulat actively spread rumours and lies about Muhammad. Some of wiich, ironically made it into later Hadith.

Also, Conquerers like Mu'awiyah and Yazid tried to use fabricated hadith to justify their actions. And there were infinite opportunities to make such hadith.

So which of the Hadith are considered valid and by what criteria are they measured?

That depends on who you ask.
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Postby Gallade » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:57 am

The Lacedaemonians wrote:
Gallade wrote:It works for pubs called "The Office", at any rate.

Wonder what kind of drinks they'd serve at a place with a name like that.

Considering it's a pub...everything barring complicated mixed drinks?
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:57 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Immoren wrote:Remind me to sacrifice a thrall to Óðinn this yuletide.

Do Finns even odinate?

No, they join in the brotherhood of devotion to Tengri/Allah ;)
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Postby The Lacedaemonians » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:59 am

Really. Army fatigues are so unflattering. I don't think I'll ever get used to them.

I better get some shuteye soon.
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Postby Jochistan » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:59 am

Dyakovo wrote:
The Lacedaemonians wrote:So which of the Hadith are considered valid and by what criteria are they measured?

That depends on who you ask.

Even (some) Mainline Sunnis and the more Conservative Sufi orders hold that its the "duty of every Muslim" to determine what Hadith are true themselves.
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Postby United States of Conner » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:00 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:I dont know how to convince some people that I would rather go sit in a nice little café than go to church. It doesn't seem complex.

They are trying to save your immortal soul from eternal damnation, you heathen.

Hail Satan.
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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:01 am

Jochistan wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Do Finns even odinate?

No, they join in the brotherhood of devotion to Tengri/Allah ;)


I worship all the gods, just to be sure, I just put Lady Eris on the first place.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:02 am

United States of Conner wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:They are trying to save your immortal soul from eternal damnation, you heathen.

Hail Satan.

Calling a cab to hell?
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby United States of Conner » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:05 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Hail Satan.

Calling a cab to hell?

Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:07 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Hail Satan.

Calling a cab to hell?

Some people can't afford a limo...
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:10 am

Jochistan wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:The Islam will be devastated, because you do not have a Quran without Jesus. There was only so much they could write about the 'prophet' Mohammed without making certain without a doubt that he was nothing more than a highly efficient warlord with a predilection for mass murder and delusions of the divine. Hence why the teachings of Jesus were recycled by the people who compiled and edited the Quran in the first few decades after the Arabs successfully stumbled into creating an Islamic empire.

Stumbled? Oh, but they succeeded.

And yeah, Jesus is seen as a Prophet, so yes, his teachings were expanded upon.

They most certainly succeeded, but they succeeded faster than they could properly process. Hence why it used to be Jerusalem that was the most holy city of Islam. Since the Syrian influences on the way Islam came into being as a codified religion were considered to be a bit too un-Arabic according to the Arabian conquerors, this was later remedied by introducing the ancient city of Mecca as totally the most holy place on earth, y'all. That way the Arabs could continue to convince themselves they were the undisputed Islamic master race, even though that is probably not the official religious doctrine.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:12 am

United States of Conner wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Calling a cab to hell?

Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.


Legally questionable taxi service.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:14 am

United States of Conner wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Calling a cab to hell?

Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.


My bad, just watch out for the surge pricing, Satan does not reimburse for that
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:18 am

Immoren wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.

Legally questionable taxi service.

Running a legally questionable business is a proud capitalist tradition.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby United States of Conner » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:29 am

Immoren wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.


Legally questionable taxi service.

"legally questionable"
my point exactly.
Ethel mermania wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Call an Uber. Get with the hivemind.


My bad, just watch out for the surge pricing, Satan does not reimburse for that

Dammit, guess I have to wait for death rates to go down or something.
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