The Christian Discussion Thread VI

[Luminesa]

...That's Christianity in general...QUIZ TIME!

1.) Founder of modern monasticism?

2.) What was the Catholic Reformation?

3.) Who was St. Augustine?

4.) Who was St. Thomas Aquinas?

5.) Name 5 religious orders.

6.) What is "transubstantiation" and who came up with the term?

7.) What pope came up with the term "New Evangelization"?

8.) What Saint popularized the Rosary?

9.) What is the purpose of the Rosary?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and what does it mean?

1) Either St. Benedict or St. Anthony, depending on what you mean by modern.
2) The counter-reformation.
3) The theologian whose work laid the groundwork for much of medieval theology.
4) The medieval theologian who, building on the groundwork of Augustine, defined much of Catholic theology.
5) Society of Jesus, Order of Preachers, Franciscans, Theatines, Benedictines.
6) Transubstantiation is the Catholic view of the real presence. It's fairly complicated. Not sure who named it, but Thomas Aquinas described it.
7) Benedict XVI
Trick question. It was popularized by Blessed Alanus de Rupe, who, as can be inferred from his name, was not a saint.
9) It's a Marian devotion on the life of Jesus.
10) It's the Greek word for universal. Considering it shew up in the Nicene creed, I'm going to say they used it?

1.) Correct.
2.) Correct.
3.) Yup.
4.) Yup.
5.) Correct (Ooh, Theatines, I've never heard of them!)
6.) Yup.
7.) JPII.
8.) I thought it was Dominic.
9.) Boom! Yes.
10.) It was first used in the 1st century in a letter by...St. Irenaeus of Antioch (I think.)

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I'm fairly confident in my views on Christianity, maybe an 8 or 9 out of 10.

But how confident are you that you understand Christian doctrine? Dat, my friend, is the question. *Holds the skull of Justinian, as a Shakespearian prop.*

I don't have as much confidence in my own knowledge of Christianity, but I have near full confidence in the veracity of Catholicism as a whole, or at least Apostolic Christianity

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

5.) Name 5 religious orders.
Knight's Templar
Witchhunters
Inquisition
Vatican Astronomers
Panj Piares

Tsk. You should know better. The Holy Orders of the Emperor's Inquisition, as the name implies, are not a single order, but rather the overarching organization that includes the 3 Ordo Majoris - Ordo Malleus ("Daemonhunters"), Ordo Hereticus ("Witchhunters"), and Ordo Xenos ("Deathwatch") - alongside innumerable Ordo Minoris.

This has been a public service announcement of the Adeptus Ministorum. Hail the Immortal Emperor of Mankind!

[for those who don't get the repeated references to the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe that seem to crop up on every page of this thread, click here for the main backstory; or if you want a quick rundown, the basic outline goes like this: it is the year 40,000, human beings have created an almost comically oppressive galaxy-spanning theocracy, but compared to the literal demons and other monsters they are fighting, they still count as the "good guys"]

I'm a fairly casual Warhammer 40k player, I have a 2000ish point Space Marines army

I've read a bit about it on the wiki as well, I recall there was a book or something in the extended universe in which the Emperor of Mankind went to have a debate with the last (implied) Christian priest in the universe, after wiping out almost all religion in the galaxy, and he couldn't win the debate, and so he let the priest be. I liked the concept of that story, literal God Emperor got rekt by the kickass space priest

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tsk. You should know better. The Holy Orders of the Emperor's Inquisition, as the name implies, are not a single order, but rather the overarching organization that includes the 3 Ordo Majoris - Ordo Malleus ("Daemonhunters"), Ordo Hereticus ("Witchhunters"), and Ordo Xenos ("Deathwatch") - alongside innumerable Ordo Minoris.

This has been a public service announcement of the Adeptus Ministorum. Hail the Immortal Emperor of Mankind!

[for those who don't get the repeated references to the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe that seem to crop up on every page of this thread, click here for the main backstory; or if you want a quick rundown, the basic outline goes like this: it is the year 40,000, human beings have created an almost comically oppressive galaxy-spanning theocracy, but compared to the literal demons and other monsters they are fighting, they still count as the "good guys"]

I'm a fairly casual Warhammer 40k player, I have a 2000ish point Space Marines army

I've read a bit about it on the wiki as well, I recall there was a book or something in the extended universe in which the Emperor of Mankind went to have a debate with the last (implied) Christian priest in the universe, after wiping out almost all religion in the galaxy, and he couldn't win the debate, and so he let the priest be. I liked the concept of that story, literal God Emperor got rekt by the kickass space priest

Not quite, Big E (in disguise) went to talk with the priest about why he so desperately clung to faith. The priest explains the foundations of his religion (Church of the Lightning Stone) and how it was founded by a man who was blind, deaf and mute who regained his ability to hear, see and speak after the stone he was sleeping under was struck by lightning. Big E replies with some cold science and the fact that simply believing something doesn't make it true. The priest does eventually accept that his god was false but is proud of all the good work he did by helping his parishioners. The priest refuses to join with the Emperor (who has revealed himself), wishes him the best, warns him that his followers might come to see him as a god at some point and returns to the church as Imperial forces destroy it and kill him in the process.

It wasn't all that bad of a story actually.

[The Archregimancy]

10.) It was first used in the 1st century in a letter by...St. Irenaeus of Antioch (I think.)

I think you may be confusing St Ignatius of Antioch with St Irenaeus of Lyons.

It's in Ignatius' Epistle to the Smyrnaeans that the Greek term καθολικός first appears, though the letter most likely dates to the first or second decade of the second century.

Though the Ignatian Epistles are always a minor problem for Roman Catholics since they help demonstrate - certainly when compared to the near-contemporary 1 Clement - that the concept of monarchical episcopacy within a catholic Christin Church developed in Antioch before it developed in Rome.

For one, if you read the full Ignatian Epistles (and they're collected in the Penguin Classics edition of Early Christian Writings), it's the only church community that the bishop-obsessed Ignatius wrote to during his journey to Rome where he doesn't mention the local bishop; an apparently odd oversight given that his Epistle to the Romans seems to be written to introduce Ignatius (who describes himself as Bishop of Syria in that letter) to the Roman Christian community.

[The Archregimancy]

...That's Christianity in general...QUIZ TIME!

1.) Founder of modern monasticism?

2.) What was the Catholic Reformation?

3.) Who was St. Augustine?

4.) Who was St. Thomas Aquinas?

5.) Name 5 religious orders.

6.) What is "transubstantiation" and who came up with the term?

7.) What pope came up with the term "New Evangelization"?

8.) What Saint popularized the Rosary?

9.) What is the purpose of the Rosary?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and what does it mean?

It's a very Roman Catholic quiz, isn't it?


Here's a potential Orthodox version, with only two questions held over (though both edited):

1.) Who was the founder of monasticism?

2.) What was the Confession of Cyril Lucaris about?

3.) Who were the Cappadocian Fathers?

4.) Who was St. Gregory Palamas?

5.) Name 5 autocephalous churches other than the original members of the Pentarchy.

6.) What is "Hesychasm"?

7.) What heresy was denounced by the Seventh Ecumenical Council?

8.) What is a yurodivy?

9.) What is the purpose of a Prayer Rope (κομποσκοίνι or чётки)?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and by whom?

[Luminesa]

...That's Christianity in general...QUIZ TIME!

1.) Founder of modern monasticism?

2.) What was the Catholic Reformation?

3.) Who was St. Augustine?

4.) Who was St. Thomas Aquinas?

5.) Name 5 religious orders.

6.) What is "transubstantiation" and who came up with the term?

7.) What pope came up with the term "New Evangelization"?

8.) What Saint popularized the Rosary?

9.) What is the purpose of the Rosary?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and what does it mean?

It's a very Roman Catholic quiz, isn't it?


Here's a potential Orthodox version, with only two questions held over (though both edited):

1.) Who was the founder of monasticism?

2.) What was the Confession of Cyril Lucaris about?

3.) Who were the Cappadocian Fathers?

4.) Who was St. Gregory Palamas?

5.) Name 5 autocephalous churches other than the original members of the Pentarchy.

6.) What is "Hesychasm"?

7.) What heresy was denounced by the Seventh Ecumenical Council?

8.) What is a yurodivy?

9.) What is the purpose of a Prayer Rope (κομποσκοίνι or чётки)?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and by whom?

I was questioning his knowledge of Catholicism, dat's why.

Ho boy...

1.) St. Anthony the Great

2.) His spiritual journey?

3.) A group of spiritual writers and theologians from the region of Cappadocia?

4.) Not sure...

5.) Nope. I have no idea.

6.) "Chasm"...some sort of spiritual darkness?

7.) Ummmm...something about icons?

8.) No idea.

9.) Kinda like a rosary, you pray on it, and you pray straight to Jesus?

10.) First century, St. Irenaeus of Antioch?

I'm gonna admit I know very little about the Orthodox Church...

[The Princes of the Universe]

While the 5th of November's central premise - the ritual burning at the stake of the effigy of a Roman Catholic - is no doubt deeply offensive to our Catholic cousins, I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to refer to Guy Fawkes as a 'hero'.
The Gunpowder Plot did, after all, involve planning for the blowing up of the Houses of Parliament and the consequent murder of several hundred people during the State Opening of Parliament with explosives hidden in a cellar. While I'm hesitant to use a modern analogy for an early 17th-century historical act, there's a strong whiff of religious terrorism there.
Furthermore, the Plot was actively counterproductive. James I/VI was relatively tolerant of Catholics, and had several Catholic advisors; but the Plot led to increased persecution of Catholics in England. Without the Plot, Catholic Emancipation might well have come considerably sooner; and had the Plot succeeded, the subsequent attempted rebellion would have almost certainly failed given the lack of internal or external support for the plotters, leading to an even more severe backlash against Catholics in Great Britain.

He was part of a plot that that sought to murder many people, kidnap a young child, and force her to change her religion. Not one of them deserves the epithet of hero.

[Luminesa]

10.) It was first used in the 1st century in a letter by...St. Irenaeus of Antioch (I think.)

I think you may be confusing St Ignatius of Antioch with St Irenaeus of Lyons.

It's in Ignatius' Epistle to the Smyrnaeans that the Greek term καθολικός first appears, though the letter most likely dates to the first or second decade of the second century.

Though the Ignatian Epistles are always a minor problem for Roman Catholics since they help demonstrate - certainly when compared to the near-contemporary 1 Clement - that the concept of monarchical episcopacy within a catholic Christin Church developed in Antioch before it developed in Rome.

For one, if you read the full Ignatian Epistles (and they're collected in the Penguin Classics edition of Early Christian Writings), it's the only church community that the bishop-obsessed Ignatius wrote to during his journey to Rome where he doesn't mention the local bishop; an apparently odd oversight given that his Epistle to the Romans seems to be written to introduce Ignatius (who describes himself as Bishop of Syria in that letter) to the Roman Christian community.

Dah! I always get them mixed up! I wasn't sure if it was an Ignatius or an Irenaeus.

It's Ignatius of Antioch. My bad.

[Ithqington]

What is Oldest Christian Nation?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What is Oldest Christian Nation?

I'd say Rome, but it depends on what you mean

[Talvezout]

What is Oldest Christian Nation?

Armenia converted to Christianity pretty early on, if that counts.

[The Archregimancy]

What is Oldest Christian Nation?

Armenia is traditionally held to be the first nation to convert to Christianity as the national religion.

Tiridates III of the Classical-era Kingdom of Armenia declared Christianity to be the state religion of his country in 301 AD at the behest of St Gregory the Illuminator.

On a more localised level, as per Acts 11:26, Antioch is traditionally believed to be the first city where Christians were referred to as 'Christians'.

[The Archregimancy]

I'm gonna admit I know very little about the Orthodox Church...

You're to be commended for not cheating and using Google.

I'll wait to see if anyone else tries to answer before giving you the answers, but the only one you didn't know that - as a Catholic - you might have reason to be slightly embarrassed by was question 3 (the Cappadocian Fathers).

[Czechanada]

What is Oldest Christian Nation?

Armenia is traditionally held to be the first nation to convert to Christianity as the national religion.

Tiridates III of the Classical-era Kingdom of Armenia declared Christianity to be the state religion of his country in 301 AD at the behest of St Gregory the Illuminator.

On a more localised level, as per Acts 11:26, Antioch is traditionally believed to be the first city where Christians were referred to as 'Christians'.

Couldn't Ethiopia be put up there as well?

[The Archregimancy]

Armenia is traditionally held to be the first nation to convert to Christianity as the national religion.

Tiridates III of the Classical-era Kingdom of Armenia declared Christianity to be the state religion of his country in 301 AD at the behest of St Gregory the Illuminator.

On a more localised level, as per Acts 11:26, Antioch is traditionally believed to be the first city where Christians were referred to as 'Christians'.

Couldn't Ethiopia be put up there as well?

Yes, but after Armenia.

Traditionally, Ethiopia - more accurately Axum - converted to Christianity under King Ezana, who was converted by Saint Frumentius at some point after 328 AD but before 356 AD.

[Luminesa]

I'm gonna admit I know very little about the Orthodox Church...

You're to be commended for not cheating and using Google.

I'll wait to see if anyone else tries to answer before giving you the answers, but the only one you didn't know that - as a Catholic - you might have reason to be slightly embarrassed by was question 3 (the Cappadocian Fathers).

The term sounds familiar, but...hmmm...

[Mishpat and Tzedek]

It's a very Roman Catholic quiz, isn't it?


Here's a potential Orthodox version, with only two questions held over (though both edited):

1.) Who was the founder of monasticism?

2.) What was the Confession of Cyril Lucaris about?

3.) Who were the Cappadocian Fathers?

4.) Who was St. Gregory Palamas?

5.) Name 5 autocephalous churches other than the original members of the Pentarchy.

6.) What is "Hesychasm"?

7.) What heresy was denounced by the Seventh Ecumenical Council?

8.) What is a yurodivy?

9.) What is the purpose of a Prayer Rope (κομποσκοίνι or чётки)?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and by whom?

Okay, I've read through the thread a bit and one piqued my interest and made me look at Wikipedia a bit, but I'll answer the questions influenced by that as if it didn't happen.

Here goes nothing........

1.) Who was the founder of monasticism?
I'm not sure. The desert fathers are probably the oldest type of Christian asceticism that I know about.

2.) What was the Confession of Cyril Lucaris about?
No clue.

3.) Who were the Cappadocian Fathers?
Gregory of Nazianze
Basil something
One of these had a brother that's also a Cappadocian Father.

But yeah, their work presents a major contribution to the development of the Trinitarian and Christological dogma's. These guys are very important for (virtually) every type of Christian, whether Orthodox, Roman-Catholic or Protestant. So I should also be ashamed I can't even remember their names.

4.) Who was St. Gregory Palamas?
Some saint from the Eastern tradition. I think he had something to do with the idea of theosis?

5.) Name 5 autocephalous churches other than the original members of the Pentarchy.
Okay, I went wikipedia with this one before, but without that I would have guessed Bulgaria and Ukraine I think. Maybe if I thought about it a bit longer I would have said Romania too

6.) What is "Hesychasm"?
No clue.

7.) What heresy was denounced by the Seventh Ecumenical Council?
Wasn't this the 787 one against Iconoclasm?

8.) What is a yurodivy?
I have no idea.

9.) What is the purpose of a Prayer Rope (κομποσκοίνι or чётки)?
I don't know...... it rings a bell somewhere very very vaguely. Maybe I heard of it before in Dostoevsky or something?

10.) When was the term "Catholic" first used and by whom?
Well, it's been mentioned previously in this thread, but without that I wouldn't have known and would've ventured a silly guess.

Okay, so in conclusion, I should be ashamed too.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I'm a fairly casual Warhammer 40k player, I have a 2000ish point Space Marines army

I've read a bit about it on the wiki as well, I recall there was a book or something in the extended universe in which the Emperor of Mankind went to have a debate with the last (implied) Christian priest in the universe, after wiping out almost all religion in the galaxy, and he couldn't win the debate, and so he let the priest be. I liked the concept of that story, literal God Emperor got rekt by the kickass space priest

Not quite, Big E (in disguise) went to talk with the priest about why he so desperately clung to faith. The priest explains the foundations of his religion (Church of the Lightning Stone) and how it was founded by a man who was blind, deaf and mute who regained his ability to hear, see and speak after the stone he was sleeping under was struck by lightning. Big E replies with some cold science and the fact that simply believing something doesn't make it true. The priest does eventually accept that his god was false but is proud of all the good work he did by helping his parishioners. The priest refuses to join with the Emperor (who has revealed himself), wishes him the best, warns him that his followers might come to see him as a god at some point and returns to the church as Imperial forces destroy it and kill him in the process.

It wasn't all that bad of a story actually.

wow, I was really... off XD

It was many years ago that I read about it though, and I think it was from a second hand source

[Conscentia]

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[Al-Hibala]

Infidels, Muhummud is the REAL prophet! Accept Allah

[Czechanada]

Infidels, Muhummud is the REAL prophet! Accept Allah

Well, Islam really is just Iconoclast Arian Coptic Christianity with the church structure of Protestantism.

[Grave_n_idle]

Infidels, Muhummud is the REAL prophet! Accept Allah

A bit off-topic.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Infidels, Muhummud is the REAL prophet! Accept Allah

All Christian accept Allah. We don't however accept what we believe to be a false prophet.

[Czechanada]

Infidels, Muhummud is the REAL prophet! Accept Allah

A bit off-topic.

Well, we were discussing the demographic eclipsing of Orthodox Christianity.