Are Facts really Opinions?

[Contamenesia]

So that is your opinion then?

That's a fact.

So this indeed in your opinion a fact?

In my opinion this will continue to loop forever. In my opinion, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether my opinion is right or wrong, but rather the exploration of whether or not there is indeed a right or wrong at all. of course, again, this is just my opinion.

[Sun Wukong]

That's a fact.

So this indeed in your opinion a fact?

In my opinion this will continue to loop forever. In myopinion, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether my opoinion is right or wrong, but rather the exploration of whether or not there is indeed a right or wrong at all. of course, again, this is just my opinion.

Since you seem to be stuck on a loop of narcissistic pseudo-intellectual rubbish, and all fact is merely opinion, I encourage you to always exit whatever building you're in through the highest available window.

After all, you don't know it's not the better option.

[Sinophia]

It is also logically impossible for the statement 'All Fact is Opinion' to be true.

1. All fact is opinion gives us an absolute statement about the nature of truth.
2. Facts are intended to be absolute statements about what is true, such as 'This toast is hot to me' or 'This cat is biting me'
3. Therefore this statement, making an absolute statement intended to be true of all facts being opinions, is inconsistent - by dint of making a statement that makes all fact opinion, the fact of the statement is negated and it ceases to be absolute - because it is a statement of fact and all fact must, by definition, be opinion.
4. Therefore no circumstance exists where facts and opinions are synonymous using the wording of the statement.

I've only been doing philosophy for a half-term so criticism is welcome...

[The Grim Reaper]

It is also logically impossible for the statement 'All Fact is Opinion' to be true.

1. All fact is opinion gives us an absolute statement about the nature of truth.
2. Facts are intended to be absolute statements about what is true, such as 'This toast is hot to me' or 'This cat is biting me'
3. Therefore this statement, making an absolute statement intended to be true of all facts being opinions, is inconsistent - by dint of making a statement that makes all fact opinion, the fact of the statement is negated and it ceases to be absolute - because it is a statement of fact and all fact must, by definition, be opinion.
4. Therefore no circumstance exists where facts and opinions are synonymous using the wording of the statement.

I've only been doing philosophy for a half-term so criticism is welcome...

This is a good way of discussing /why/ OP is pseudo-intellectual rubbish, but it doesn't really pose a resolution to the question in the opening post - i.e. definitions of 'fact' and 'opinion'.

That being said, the question in the opening post was tangential to the OP trying to spam up their post count with what seems to be the same post over and over again.

[Geanna]

Are all facts actually only opinions that we accept to be true? Are Facts simply Opinions that we can convince others of via opiniated proof? If so, then is there any actual such thing as Proof? Where is the line between Fact and Opinion? Are all Truths lies or are all lies Truth? What if there are no truths and no lies? If the only reality you can count as real is your own, why are others in it?

With this thread i invite you to think outside of the box, and simply question and discuss these things. Here we question all things around us and ourselves. You may begin.

This is dependent on the situation, really. Mathematically speaking, 1+1=2 is a fact. Whereas, having x event happen, with y amount of people, and asked to give the facts of x event, will result in different stories due to personal perception.

[Contamenesia]

It is also logically impossible for the statement 'All Fact is Opinion' to be true.

1. All fact is opinion gives us an absolute statement about the nature of truth.
2. Facts are intended to be absolute statements about what is true, such as 'This toast is hot to me' or 'This cat is biting me'
3. Therefore this statement, making an absolute statement intended to be true of all facts being opinions, is inconsistent - by dint of making a statement that makes all fact opinion, the fact of the statement is negated and it ceases to be absolute - because it is a statement of fact and all fact must, by definition, be opinion.
4. Therefore no circumstance exists where facts and opinions are synonymous using the wording of the statement.

I've only been doing philosophy for a half-term so criticism is welcome...

But then again, in my opinion, Logic is from a belief of fact. in my opinion, i do not say that you are wrong, but rather is there right ot wrong at all.

So this indeed in your opinion a fact?

In my opinion this will continue to loop forever. In myopinion, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether my opoinion is right or wrong, but rather the exploration of whether or not there is indeed a right or wrong at all. of course, again, this is just my opinion.

Since you seem to be stuck on a loop of narcissistic pseudo-intellectual rubbish, and all fact is merely opinion, I encourage you to always exit whatever building you're in through the highest available window.

After all, you don't know it's not the better option.

You are, in my opinion, welcome to your own opinion. in my opinion you still seem to think this a question of what is right or wrong, when that is not, in my opinion, what is being questioned.

[Kar-Esseria]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

Really.

[Sinophia]

Language is ambiguous. Seeking an absolute definition of any concept is probably hopeless. Who could ever absolutely and precisely define love? Who would ever want to?

[Contamenesia]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

Really.

you are welcome to your opinion, at least in my opinion. ^^

[Sun Wukong]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

Really.

If it'll cheer you up, here's a nine minute beat poem on why this is dumb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W7Jbc_Vhw

[Sinophia]

You cannot be wrong about whether an argument is logically persuasive or not. Attack my argument, rather than the foundations of logic, or do nothing at all. If my argument is still consistent and reaches a sound conclusion, you cannot be right. You can't just throw up your arms, say 'But Logic derives from a belief in truth!' and congratulate yourself. Logic is a millennia-old method of testing the consistency of our universe, and I doubt one NS poster could undermine it. If you cannot show logic to show your opinion - even if it is logically absurd - to be true, then what you are saying cannot be the case, philosophically speaking. You would, to use the french term, be talking out of your arse.

Taurus excreta cerebrum vincit.

[Contamenesia]

You cannot be wrong about whether an argument is logically persuasive or not. Attack my argument, rather than the foundations of logic, or do nothing at all. If my argument is still consistent and reaches a sound conclusion, you cannot be right. You can't just throw up your arms, say 'But Logic derives from a belief in truth!' and congratulate yourself. Logic is a millennia-old method of testing the consistency of our universe, and I doubt one NS poster could undermine it. If you cannot show logic to show your opinion - even if it is logically absurd - to be true, then what you are saying cannot be the case, philosophically speaking. You would, to use the french term, be talking out of your arse.

Taurus excreta cerebrum vincit.

What a great opinion. but what do say to the Mad?

[Kar-Esseria]

This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.

Really.

you are welcome to your opinion, at least in my opinion. ^^

Even if it is an opinion, this is still a dumb thread.

You're trying to argue two opposites are the same thing. You might as well be arguing if France is really England.

[Stuffed stuffing]

It's your opinion that facts are opinions. It's everyone elses' opinions that facts are facts, and opinions are opinions.

End of story. Can we go back to causing drama with ill-conceived, provocative threads about current issues now?

[Sinophia]

I say to the mad that by their own admission their impression of 'reality' is wrong. Whilst insanity is of course subjective and it is of course a condition of degrees and many stripes, I would feel confident that a man who believes the universe to be made of condensed piss is probably wrong when the majority of scientists - using fact and logic to establish truths, you know the 'Scientific Method'? - have a different opinion. Madness is not a philosophical defence unless you are a sort of 'Ho ho ho I read some Nietzche, look at how thorough my understanding of philosophy is, it's not like the continental philosophers are insufficiently rigorous and should be read as novelists or anything'. And to be fair Nietzche was a lad, had some interesting ideas. It's just philosophy ain't just about Nihilism. Nihilism is philosophy for emos.

[Contamenesia]

you are welcome to your opinion, at least in my opinion. ^^

Even if it is an opinion, this is still a dumb thread.

You're trying to argue two opposites are the same thing. You might as well be arguing if France is really England.

Intersting opinion. Perhaps France really is England. What defines them as different? what defines them as the same? What defines what is and what is not? What do we allow to define these things? Does right or wrong really exist?

[Divitaen]

I see, this is one of those subjectivity, post-modernist kind of threads. To be fair I've always personally believed that all facts in the world are merely opinions re-packaged and re-organised. So in a way, yeah, facts don't really exist objectively.

[Contamenesia]

I say to the mad that by their own admission their impression of 'reality' is wrong. Whilst insanity is of course subjective and it is of course a condition of degrees and many stripes, I would feel confident that a man who believes the universe to be made of condensed piss is probably wrong when the majority of scientists - using fact and logic to establish truths, you know the 'Scientific Method'? - have a different opinion. Madness is not a philosophical defence unless you are a sort of 'Ho ho ho I read some Nietzche, look at how thorough my understanding of philosophy is, it's not like the continental philosophers are insufficiently rigorous and should be read as novelists or anything'. And to be fair Nietzche was a lad, had some interesting ideas. It's just philosophy ain't just about Nihilism. Nihilism is philosophy for emos.

So in your opinion, if people share opinion, it must be fact? Interesting opinion. So in your opinion, the the amount of agreeing opinions alters the validity of opinions? Interesting in my opinion.

[The Hook Islands]

Opinions are like arseholes; everyone has one and they all stink.

[Divitaen]

I say to the mad that by their own admission their impression of 'reality' is wrong. Whilst insanity is of course subjective and it is of course a condition of degrees and many stripes, I would feel confident that a man who believes the universe to be made of condensed piss is probably wrong when the majority of scientists - using fact and logic to establish truths, you know the 'Scientific Method'? - have a different opinion. Madness is not a philosophical defence unless you are a sort of 'Ho ho ho I read some Nietzche, look at how thorough my understanding of philosophy is, it's not like the continental philosophers are insufficiently rigorous and should be read as novelists or anything'. And to be fair Nietzche was a lad, had some interesting ideas. It's just philosophy ain't just about Nihilism. Nihilism is philosophy for emos.

This is ridiculous. Just because subjectivity feels circular doesn't mean it can't be true. It just means some people are brave enough to admit they can't really know anything because life is just too damn complicated.

[Wisconsin9]

I see, this is one of those subjectivity, post-modernist kind of threads.

No, it's masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual nonsense, created so that the OP can have a tautological one-man circle jerk by dismissing all other arguments as, "Hrm drm well there's no real facts so that's just an opinion."

And you know what, that may be my opinion, but I'd bet money it's also a fact.

[Dyakovo]

Are all facts actually only opinions that we accept to be true? Are Facts simply Opinions that we can convince others of via opiniated proof? If so, then is there any actual such thing as Proof? Where is the line between Fact and Opinion? Are all Truths lies or are all lies Truth? What if there are no truths and no lies? If the only reality you can count as real is your own, why are others in it?

With this thread i invite you to think outside of the box, and simply question and discuss these things. Here we question all things around us and ourselves. This thread is only for fun, just to get you thinking. You may begin.

No.

[Contamenesia]

I see, this is one of those subjectivity, post-modernist kind of threads.

No, it's masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual nonsense, created so that the OP can have a tautological one-man circle jerk by dismissing all other arguments as, "Hrm drm well there's no real facts so that's just an opinion."

And you know what, that may be my opinion, but I'd bet money it's also a fact.

In my opinion, you are very offensive to women like me, but regardless, you are welcome to your opinion.

[L Ron Cupboard]

All the people born three hundred years ago are dead. Anyone have a different opinion?

[Wisconsin9]

No, it's masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual nonsense, created so that the OP can have a tautological one-man circle jerk by dismissing all other arguments as, "Hrm drm well there's no real facts so that's just an opinion."

And you know what, that may be my opinion, but I'd bet money it's also a fact.

In my opinion, you are very offensive to women like me, but regardless, you are welcome to your opinion.

And now I'm apparently sexist. The prosecution rests, Your Honor.