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Should Assad be ousted

Yes, because Washington says so
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2%
Yes, because he fought a violent opposition, and legitimate governments don't do that
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10%
Yes, because ideals
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9%
Yes, because he might oppose democracy in the future, and foreigners should decide the government of other peoples
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2%
Yes, other (specify)
9
10%
Not if he has democratic support
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23%
I like dictatorship
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5%
he seems a good man for the job
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28%
No, other (specify)
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12%
 
Total votes : 94

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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:47 am

Actually, the said sondage was targeted at French people, and the 72% are the number of French who are in support of Assad, not 72% of the Syrian.
And, even if he is indeed largely supported by the religious minority and moderate sunnis, Assad is far from having such a good popular support.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:47 am

Hey guys the good old US of As knew from the outset the opposition mostly consisted of takfiri (http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-a ... -14-812-2/)

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Postby Uxupox » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:48 am

I suspect that 100% of North Koreans support Kim Jong Un.
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Postby Geanna » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:49 am

Slakonian wrote:
Kwa-Zulustan wrote:That poll also comes from RT, which is very pro-Russia and hence pro-Assad. (It's the equivalent of saying most North Koreans support Km Jong-Un according to North Korean State TV ) Therefore i ask for a source that might be a little more reliable.

meaning you want CNN or CBS, the pro-US channels. typical


RT is Russian trash, CNN is liberal trash, Fox is conservative trash and they all need a good bankruptcy. I'd rather not.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:49 am

Grand Britannia wrote:Is this France's way of surrendering to Russia and Syria?

I suppose that people not agreeing with the U.S in everything is too hard to understand for someone who have been brainwashed by Bush's propaganda.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:51 am

Geanna wrote:
Slakonian wrote:meaning you want CNN or CBS, the pro-US channels. typical


RT is Russian trash, CNN is liberal trash, Fox is conservative trash and they all need a good bankruptcy. I'd rather not.


I already posted a news source which seems reliable a few posts above from UK. Channel 4.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:51 am

OP, did you actually look at the poll that you cite in your completely misleading thread title? Or are you just taking the word of the idiots at Russia Today?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:53 am

Aelex wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Is this France's way of surrendering to Russia and Syria?

I suppose that people not agreeing with the U.S in everything is too hard to understand for someone who have been brainwashed by Bush's propaganda.


I'll take that as a yes.
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Postby Slakonian » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:54 am

Geanna wrote:
Slakonian wrote:meaning you want CNN or CBS, the pro-US channels. typical


RT is Russian trash, CNN is liberal trash, Fox is conservative trash and they all need a good bankruptcy. I'd rather not.

True, true I won't deny that :lol:

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Postby Provaskola » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:58 am

The way I see it, if the United States were to oust this man from power, it will only cause a lot of backlash in the long run. America has had a bad history of removing leaders of foreign countries, some of them democratically elected. I'm not praising Assad, nor am I condeming him. All I'm saying is that the people of Syria should be the ones deciding the fate of their leader. America has no right to make that decision, and they certainly have no right to talk of freedom and democracy, when they themselves have been guilty of ousting democratically elected leaders and replacing them with tyrannical rulers in foreign lands. Please understand that I do not hold hatred towards the United States as a whole, I'm just very against the government and it's policies regarding both foreign and domestic issues.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:58 am

Here's the "article" RT linked to.

As I'm sure you can see, there's not actually an article there, nor anything saying that it's actually Syrians, nor anything strongly suggesting support for Assad—just that a bunch of people who may or may not actually be Syrians think world powers should let Syria sort it out on its own.

Good to see RT still holds itself to its high journalistic standards.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:58 am

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Russo-Byzantine Empire wrote:Assad should be removed and replaced with the Jordanian monarchy. You might be a Republican, but Abdullah II never gassed his own people.

I'm going to have to err on the side of gassing ISIS. Most of the opposition joined ISIS.

Once ISIS is disposed of, then remove Assad.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:59 am

Daburuetchi wrote:Hey guys the good old US of As knew from the outset the opposition mostly consisted of takfiri (http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-a ... -14-812-2/)

Judicial Watch? Oh, I remember those. I remember them as one of the groups that keeps complaining about how Benghazi was a cover-up.
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Postby Aelex » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:00 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I'll take that as a yes.

Take rather that as a "grow up and open an history book".
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:02 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:Hey guys the good old US of As knew from the outset the opposition mostly consisted of takfiri (http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-a ... -14-812-2/)

Judicial Watch? Oh, I remember those. I remember them as one of the groups that keeps complaining about how Benghazi was a cover-up.


Yeah cept the doc they requested was from the US gov which explicty states the opposition is mostly Al Qaeda
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Postby Ainin » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:02 pm

Just to sum up.

- This was an Internet poll on the website of what is essentially the French equivalent of the Daily Fail.
- An Internet poll is easy to manipulate, and there's a good chance RT just rigged it so they would have a clickbait headline. Russia Today often resorts to clickbait headlines to compensate for the garbage they churn out.
- The average demographic of a person that votes in this poll is either a white, conservative French guy or one of the famed Kremlin Internet trolls.

- OP thinks it shows that the Syrian people support Assad.

Does not follow.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:04 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Wei Yang wrote:I'm going to have to err on the side of gassing ISIS. Most of the opposition joined ISIS.

Once ISIS is disposed of, then remove Assad.


Maybe the United States should i dont know respect international law and not execute Arab leaderships or subvert their internal affairs?

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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:10 pm

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Postby Ikania » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:13 pm

I think Assad has committed some reprehensible war crimes and should step down. However, because it would almost certainly further destabilize the region, I'm opposed to forcible removal. Bar an actual resignation, I think the best outcome would be Assad agreeing to conditions that weaken his power and all the things necessary to create a lasting peace, even though it's unlikely. If he would stop being such a dick-tator, maybe he could be seen in a better light.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:15 pm

Aelex wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I'll take that as a yes.

Take rather that as a "grow up and open an history book".


Take it easy m8 no need for salt.
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Postby Noraika » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:19 pm

Assad may be seen to be a dictator, but that does not mean that he is not better than the 'so-called' moderate opposition. At the very least his government has been a secular one, which has provided safety and stability to the Syrian Arab Republic for over a decade, which is more than can be said for many of the 'so-called' democracies that arose out of the Arab Spring, or many democracies that existed previous to it around the world.

Regardless, Western nations have no right to intervene in the internal affairs of Syria, or to demand the departure of Assad's government. Russia has business there are an ally to the Syrian Arab Republic, but the rest of the Europeans do not.
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Postby Halfblakistan » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:20 pm

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like this particular tinpot dictator is leaving anytime soon. So the best solution is for the Ba'ath Party to devolve some power and allow free and fair elections so that the opposition is included in the decision making process. Truth and reconciliation commissions should be formed in order to rectify the most egregious crimes of the regime. Then the whole Syrian population can fight against the biggest threat, which is ISIS.

Of course, Assad would never agree to this, so it's a moot point. This war is going to continue indefinitely, probably for another 15-20 years.

On another note, Obamer is sending in ground troops to Syria, which could easily lead to a shooting war between NATO and Russia. Can anyone say "mission creep?"
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Postby The Rurn » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:22 pm

Ikania wrote:I think Assad has committed some reprehensible war crimes and should step down. However, because it would almost certainly further destabilize the region, I'm opposed to forcible removal. Bar an actual resignation, I think the best outcome would be Assad agreeing to conditions that weaken his power and all the things necessary to create a lasting peace, even though it's unlikely. If he would stop being such a dick-tator, maybe he could be seen in a better light.


There is no way he'd step down willingly, trust me. Well, unless his last stronghold was about to be sieged, but even then many would still want him dead. I think the US needs to establish a no fly-zone. True it'll give ISIS and other radicals an advantage along with the non-radicals like the FSA, but it would stop Assad's forces from bombing civilians, hospitals, and schools.

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Postby Litorea » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:24 pm

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Ikania wrote:I think Assad has committed some reprehensible war crimes and should step down. However, because it would almost certainly further destabilize the region, I'm opposed to forcible removal. Bar an actual resignation, I think the best outcome would be Assad agreeing to conditions that weaken his power and all the things necessary to create a lasting peace, even though it's unlikely. If he would stop being such a dick-tator, maybe he could be seen in a better light.


There is no way he'd step down willingly, trust me. Well, unless his last stronghold was about to be sieged, but even then many would still want him dead. I think the US needs to establish a no fly-zone. True it'll give ISIS and other radicals an advantage along with the non-radicals like the FSA, but it would stop Assad's forces from bombing civilians, hospitals, and schools.

Establishing a no-fly zone in an area with Russian aerial combat operations?

That's some seriously risky business, unless the Western powers can get UN approval - which is unlikely.

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Postby New Benian Republic » Sat Oct 31, 2015 12:26 pm

No foreign nation should get in the way of what the native population wants. Assad may not be the best person but he's better than opposition and the "moderate" rebels. Oh and I like his anti-Israeli stance.
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