Atheists why do you all hate Christians?

[Techophiles]

The story of Jesus Christ is an old tale... This Video does not lie and all of the "Gods" mentioned were once worshiped in past cultures. Please research for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFB ... re=related

[DaWoad]

No, there isn't. There isn't a single bit of geological evidence supporting the flood.

How are fossils formed?

In general?
Minerals fill the cellular spaces and crystallize. The shape of the original plant or animal is preserved as rock. Sometimes the original material is dissolved away leaving the form and structure but none of the organic material remains.

Now, how much time exactly does this take?

More than your book says. It's not in the thousands, baby.

No, not exactly. But for good, decent fossils to be formed the organism must undergo a quick burial. Correct?

incorrect . . .oh I just realized that this person left ages ago . . . .hmmm.
but just for fun:
I suspect the argument that this person was trying to make was that all the fossils all happened at one time when the great flood came (something along those lines)
evidence to the contrary:
-Fossilized bones found intact (not hwta you expect from bones that had been dragged along by a dirty great flood)
-bones need to be stationary for a period of time in order to fossilize (again not good for the flood theory)
-many creatures found together in ways that suggest predator/prey relationships (it'd be kinda wierd if the Utah raptor was still hunting the Spinosauridae while floating)
-carbon dating put the fossils at a WIDE variety of different time periods. (yes carbon dating is a proven technique with an established margine of error)

[Allbeama]

Let me see. Dyakovo, you're an atheist, right? Do you hate all Christians?

Nanatsu is back?

[Allbeama]

Let me see. Dyakovo, you're an atheist, right? Do you hate all Christians?

Yes, I am and no I do not. I do hate some christians, but it isn't because they are christian, it is because they are annoying fuckwads.

*nods* Right. And what prompts this? The defense of their faith, perhaps? Or is it your own arrogance in believing they are all stupid and blind to follow a "fictional" religion? Just saying...

Because the Christians are never arrogant self-righteous moralizing hypocrites, right? No they are just such damn good people always. They never torture, murder, rape or commit genocide in the name of their loving and good God. They never decide they know what's right and force their worldview on other cultures. They don't ever show bigotry, prejudice or hatred either.

[Blouman Empire]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

It's not even a very good book.

Come now it has everything, love, relationships, deceit, revenge, action, war, drama.

Pretty much every genre is covered in it.

But badly. And the plot is garbage.

Whih book are we talking about here?

[Blouman Empire]

Pretty sure Dyakovo was having a joke with me, the fact you took it serious is funny too.

Yes, yes, I was and yes, yes it is.

This is the old NSG I remember having a laugh in threads both with people (you) and at people (Albia).

It's all because Nana-chan stopped by...

Ah that explains it.

Does this mean we will soon derail the thread and everyone will start flirting with each other for the next 10 pages? quite enjoyed that too.

[Blouman Empire]

Coming from an Agonstic who was forced into a Christian school...
I don't hate Christians, in fact I really don't hate anyone in general, but like many non-Christians, I don't like the Christians that force their opinions on others or say that we will burn in hell if we don't go their way, same with any religion really.

That tends to happen when you go to a christian school you tend to get bombarded with that faith. Same as if you went to an Islamic school or a Jewish school you would get bombarded with those faiths too.

[Blouman Empire]

Why? It is our Holy Book. And if the Bible is false, then that would mean Christianity is false. And why not make it law? Christianity merits a few benefits...

Get over it, the bible is a work of fiction (at least in part). For example: the flood didn't happen (at least not as presented), there is not enough water in the world. As to why not make it law, simple, not everyone is a christian. I don't give a fuck what your magical sky faerie has to say about anything, nor should I have to care he's your magical sky faerie, not mine. And no, christianity doesn't merit any special benefits, it is simply one religion out of many.

*laughs* But there's so much geological evidence supporting the flood!

No, there isn't. There isn't a single bit of geological evidence supporting the flood.

I know WWIIHG is going to go off on a different tangent, but I do remember reading a book on something (can't remember what it was now think it was Archeology) and talking about Babylonian buildings that had been unearthed where due to the water line it could be seen that there had been a large flood. Now it may not have been the world (as you say not as described) of course the world to Noah (He may have had a different name) may have just been his town and a few others and thus the story was passed down (and changed as these things tend to happen) till it was recorded. No I can't provide the source I have left the book at my parents place but it was some food for thought. And of course that flood may not have been Noah's flood anyway.

[DaWoad]

Coming from an Agonstic who was forced into a Christian school...
I don't hate Christians, in fact I really don't hate anyone in general, but like many non-Christians, I don't like the Christians that force their opinions on others or say that we will burn in hell if we don't go their way, same with any religion really.

That tends to happen when you go to a christian school you tend to get bombarded with that faith. Same as if you went to an Islamic school or a Jewish school you would get bombarded with those faiths too.

Far to true. I'm a really big fan of separation of church and state. (my schooling, for example, was as secular as you could get. No one tried to indoctrinate anyone into anything (religion/lack thereof) until about grade ten when genetics was introduced and even then it was a "Look I realize your religion may not support this view but its kind of central so you have to learn it anyway."

[Blouman Empire]

I'm a Christian, and personally, I think that other Christians who try to force their beliefs onto others are wrong. I myself try to get to know people for a long period before I even bring up religion. Don't shove it on their faces, or it'll never work. They'll hate you for it. Which brings us to this topic.
I don't think Atheists hate Christians. They just hate their beliefs. I have some good friends who are Atheists. It's like asking why Muslims hate Zionists. Their beliefs collide. They are incompatible.

Now don't you quote me and start an argument with me, I'm tired and going to bed as soon as I click 'Submit'.

Well I am going to quote you and start an argument with you. This is NSG!!!!

First of all just because one disagrees with a belief doesn't mean you hate that belief.

[Dyakovo]

Let me see. Dyakovo, you're an atheist, right? Do you hate all Christians?

Nanatsu is back?

She's doing a drive-by...

[Blouman Empire]

Its not just you Christians, its all religions. Please consider the amount of witch hunts, exorcisms, cleansing, Jihads, suicide bombings, Disgusting acts of guilt tripping $$ out of the people that cant afford their next meal so a teleavangalist can buy his 3rd benz, Child sacrifices, mutulations, molestations, and Wars are committed in the name of God. This is a very short list of the really fucked up things that are done in the name of Faith.

How many people have been killed in the name of God. Name me an organization that is responsible for the deaths of more humans than Christianity. Jesus got on the cross for what (not that Jesus actually existed, but if he did it was all in vain).

Man would be better off without Religion!!

Ah the whole we would live in peace and harmony and there would be no wars if there were no religion.

Sir, you are delusional.

The wars where God has been used is not always (read: mostly) the underlying reason for that war.

[Dyakovo]

Pretty sure Dyakovo was having a joke with me, the fact you took it serious is funny too.

Yes, yes, I was and yes, yes it is.

This is the old NSG I remember having a laugh in threads both with people (you) and at people (Albia).

It's all because Nana-chan stopped by...

Ah that explains it.

Does this mean we will soon derail the thread and everyone will start flirting with each other for the next 10 pages? quite enjoyed that too.

Well, love is in the air big boy...

[Blouman Empire]

Its not just you Christians, its all religions. Please consider the amount of witch hunts, exorcisms, cleansing, Jihads, suicide bombings, Disgusting acts of guilt tripping $$ out of the people that cant afford their next meal so a teleavangalist can buy his 3rd benz, Child sacrifices, mutulations, molestations, and Wars are committed in the name of God. This is a very short list of the really fucked up things that are done in the name of Faith.

How many people have been killed in the name of God. Name me an organization that is responsible for the deaths of more humans than Christianity. Jesus got on the cross for what (not that Jesus actually existed, but if he did it was all in vain).

Man would be better off without Religion!!

Hardly, many of the advances that made modern science possible would not have existed (at least not as early as they did) without religion. The anti-science tendencies of christianity (mainly evangelical christianity) are actually a fairly recent occcurence.

You completely missed the point, again name an organization that is responsible for more deaths than Christianity?

Roman Empire?

[DaWoad]

Its not just you Christians, its all religions. Please consider the amount of witch hunts, exorcisms, cleansing, Jihads, suicide bombings, Disgusting acts of guilt tripping $$ out of the people that cant afford their next meal so a teleavangalist can buy his 3rd benz, Child sacrifices, mutulations, molestations, and Wars are committed in the name of God. This is a very short list of the really fucked up things that are done in the name of Faith.

How many people have been killed in the name of God. Name me an organization that is responsible for the deaths of more humans than Christianity. Jesus got on the cross for what (not that Jesus actually existed, but if he did it was all in vain).

Man would be better off without Religion!!

Hardly, many of the advances that made modern science possible would not have existed (at least not as early as they did) without religion. The anti-science tendencies of christianity (mainly evangelical christianity) are actually a fairly recent occcurence.

You completely missed the point, again name an organization that is responsible for more deaths than Christianity?

Roman Empire?

originally based on one religion and then switched to christianity about halfway through at which point they started killing people for religious reasons . . . and even then its not even close. But again, if religion wasn't out there something else would take its place.

[Blouman Empire]

Coming from an Agonstic who was forced into a Christian school...
I don't hate Christians, in fact I really don't hate anyone in general, but like many non-Christians, I don't like the Christians that force their opinions on others or say that we will burn in hell if we don't go their way, same with any religion really.

That tends to happen when you go to a christian school you tend to get bombarded with that faith. Same as if you went to an Islamic school or a Jewish school you would get bombarded with those faiths too.

Far to true. I'm a really big fan of separation of church and state. (my schooling, for example, was as secular as you could get. No one tried to indoctrinate anyone into anything (religion/lack thereof) until about grade ten when genetics was introduced and even then it was a "Look I realize your religion may not support this view but its kind of central so you have to learn it anyway."

Wel that's pretty secular

[Dyakovo]

Why? It is our Holy Book. And if the Bible is false, then that would mean Christianity is false. And why not make it law? Christianity merits a few benefits...

Get over it, the bible is a work of fiction (at least in part). For example: the flood didn't happen (at least not as presented), there is not enough water in the world. As to why not make it law, simple, not everyone is a christian. I don't give a fuck what your magical sky faerie has to say about anything, nor should I have to care he's your magical sky faerie, not mine. And no, christianity doesn't merit any special benefits, it is simply one religion out of many.

*laughs* But there's so much geological evidence supporting the flood!

No, there isn't. There isn't a single bit of geological evidence supporting the flood.

I know WWIIHG is going to go off on a different tangent, but I do remember reading a book on something (can't remember what it was now think it was Archeology) and talking about Babylonian buildings that had been unearthed where due to the water line it could be seen that there had been a large flood. Now it may not have been the world (as you say not as described) of course the world to Noah (He may have had a different name) may have just been his town and a few others and thus the story was passed down (and changed as these things tend to happen) till it was recorded. No I can't provide the source I have left the book at my parents place but it was some food for thought. And of course that flood may not have been Noah's flood anyway.

Which is why I put in the disclaimer of "not as described". Many modern christians interpret the "world-wide flood" as actually being world-wide without realizing that what was being described was undoubtedly of much much smaller scale. I have no doubts that many of the tales in the bible have a basis in truth.

[Blouman Empire]

Pretty sure Dyakovo was having a joke with me, the fact you took it serious is funny too.

Yes, yes, I was and yes, yes it is.

This is the old NSG I remember having a laugh in threads both with people (you) and at people (Albia).

It's all because Nana-chan stopped by...

Ah that explains it.

Does this mean we will soon derail the thread and everyone will start flirting with each other for the next 10 pages? quite enjoyed that too.

Well, love is in the air big boy...

Are you coming onto me Mr. Dyakovo?

[Dyakovo]

Pretty sure Dyakovo was having a joke with me, the fact you took it serious is funny too.

Yes, yes, I was and yes, yes it is.

This is the old NSG I remember having a laugh in threads both with people (you) and at people (Albia).

It's all because Nana-chan stopped by...

Ah that explains it.

Does this mean we will soon derail the thread and everyone will start flirting with each other for the next 10 pages? quite enjoyed that too.

Well, love is in the air big boy...

Are you coming onto me Mr. Dyakovo?

Yuppers

[Blouman Empire]

Why? It is our Holy Book. And if the Bible is false, then that would mean Christianity is false. And why not make it law? Christianity merits a few benefits...

Get over it, the bible is a work of fiction (at least in part). For example: the flood didn't happen (at least not as presented), there is not enough water in the world. As to why not make it law, simple, not everyone is a christian. I don't give a fuck what your magical sky faerie has to say about anything, nor should I have to care he's your magical sky faerie, not mine. And no, christianity doesn't merit any special benefits, it is simply one religion out of many.

*laughs* But there's so much geological evidence supporting the flood!

No, there isn't. There isn't a single bit of geological evidence supporting the flood.

I know WWIIHG is going to go off on a different tangent, but I do remember reading a book on something (can't remember what it was now think it was Archeology) and talking about Babylonian buildings that had been unearthed where due to the water line it could be seen that there had been a large flood. Now it may not have been the world (as you say not as described) of course the world to Noah (He may have had a different name) may have just been his town and a few others and thus the story was passed down (and changed as these things tend to happen) till it was recorded. No I can't provide the source I have left the book at my parents place but it was some food for thought. And of course that flood may not have been Noah's flood anyway.

Which is why I put in the disclaimer of "not as described". Many modern christians interpret the "world-wide flood" as actually being world-wide without realizing that what was being described was undoubtedly of much much smaller scale. I have no doubts that many of the tales in the bible have a basis in truth.

Oh I know I just wanted to through that out there. And your last sentence is the way I read the bible too in regards to events.

[Blouman Empire]

Pretty sure Dyakovo was having a joke with me, the fact you took it serious is funny too.

Yes, yes, I was and yes, yes it is.

This is the old NSG I remember having a laugh in threads both with people (you) and at people (Albia).

It's all because Nana-chan stopped by...

Ah that explains it.

Does this mean we will soon derail the thread and everyone will start flirting with each other for the next 10 pages? quite enjoyed that too.

Well, love is in the air big boy...

Are you coming onto me Mr. Dyakovo?

Yuppers

Well I'm not the type of guy to kiss on the first date.

Ah who am I kidding I can't resist

[Dyakovo]

Why? It is our Holy Book. And if the Bible is false, then that would mean Christianity is false. And why not make it law? Christianity merits a few benefits...

Get over it, the bible is a work of fiction (at least in part). For example: the flood didn't happen (at least not as presented), there is not enough water in the world. As to why not make it law, simple, not everyone is a christian. I don't give a fuck what your magical sky faerie has to say about anything, nor should I have to care he's your magical sky faerie, not mine. And no, christianity doesn't merit any special benefits, it is simply one religion out of many.

*laughs* But there's so much geological evidence supporting the flood!

No, there isn't. There isn't a single bit of geological evidence supporting the flood.

I know WWIIHG is going to go off on a different tangent, but I do remember reading a book on something (can't remember what it was now think it was Archeology) and talking about Babylonian buildings that had been unearthed where due to the water line it could be seen that there had been a large flood. Now it may not have been the world (as you say not as described) of course the world to Noah (He may have had a different name) may have just been his town and a few others and thus the story was passed down (and changed as these things tend to happen) till it was recorded. No I can't provide the source I have left the book at my parents place but it was some food for thought. And of course that flood may not have been Noah's flood anyway.

Which is why I put in the disclaimer of "not as described". Many modern christians interpret the "world-wide flood" as actually being world-wide without realizing that what was being described was undoubtedly of much much smaller scale. I have no doubts that many of the tales in the bible have a basis in truth.

Oh I know I just wanted to through that out there. And your last sentence is the way I read the bible too in regards to events.

And someone had the audacity to claim that it was impossible for an atheist and a theist to get along...

[Blouman Empire]

And someone had the audacity to claim that it was impossible for an atheist and a theist to get along...

Our beliefs just aren't compatible we must hate each other.

[Dyakovo]

And someone had the audacity to claim that it was impossible for an atheist and a theist to get along...

Our beliefs just aren't compatible we must hate each other.

*hates BE*

it's a hateful kiss

[DaWoad]

There are degrees of "truth" though.I mean its the difference between.
"Noah was a smart guy who built his house on a mountain cause he noticed that the river flooded once a year and was worried about it. His neighbours? not so smart (he may have kept some goats)"
and:
"Noah was the chosen of god, he built a massive boat (the engineering doesn't work out . . .shear stress cause by wave motion on the hulls would wreck a boat that size built of softwood in open waters) fit two of every species on the planet in and resettled the world after days and days of flooding (the genetics are weak too . . .so's the fossil record and tales of natural disasters are a pretty common denominator of "god(s)'s wrath across almost every religion out there)."


or;
"there was a jewish preacher who was a very nice and preached beliefs that wrre way ahead of his time. He had some friends. Unfortunately someone got worried and killed the guy before someone else saw the potential that this religion presented to unify roman conquests"
against
"the son of god was born from a virgin (where did the y chromasome come from???). Had all kinds of mystical experiences. Performed miracles . . .lots of miracles. And got killed by teh Ebil Sinners in order to save us. Oh then he resurrected and a few weeks later died again."

. . .these differences are important . . .very . . .very important.