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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:10 pm

Albia land of norns wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:What is acid'd?


Haveing acid thrown it your face for not dressing in what apears to be a circus tent. Done to many woman in the middle east due to religion.


And that's why we went to war? Also I knew full well what he meant I was having a dig at the term he used.
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Postby Grandais » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:27 pm

Albia land of norns wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote:From Wikipedia:
Though religious factors were not prominent (the event was ethnically motivated) the Human Rights Watch reported that a number of religious authorities, particularly Roman Catholic, in Rwanda failed to condemn the genocide.[18] Some in its religious hierarchy have been brought to trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and convicted.[17] Bishop Misago was accused of corruption and complicity in the genocide but was cleared of all charges in 2000.[19] The majority of Rwandans, and of Tutsis in particular, are Catholic.


And we all know that only smart people, not just any fool with a computer can edit wiki... :rofl:

People are still seriously using this argument? There's so much control going on at Wikipedia that I've seen edits reverted in seconds. They even have bots that do it, too.
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Postby Nordicus » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:31 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...
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Kma2 wrote:How else could it be that they are so uneducated regarding what is going on in America.

Same as anyone else; I slaughter gibbons and frolic in their blood. Or just, y'know, disagree with you.

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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:38 pm

Nordicus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...


:rofl:

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:47 pm

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Grave_n_idle wrote:Similarly, if you want to talk about the Second Kings (I believe) story of throwing a handful of salt into contaminated water to purify it, I can see how that could fit into a science class as a discussion point on molecular entanglement, coagulation, or charge attractions

Diffusion and its effect on cells would also be a good topic for that one.


Osmosis, maybe? There's a lot of potential for the text as a learning tool. The reason why I wouldn't necessarily advocate for it, however, is that there are a lot of people that are incapable of treating it as a mere text, and, instead, it becomes the fourth god in the Christian polytheism.
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Postby Nordicus » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:58 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...


:rofl:

Check the bloded

Oops. Well, it still isn't mentioned in regards to Christians, at least.
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H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Engineers hate biology, because it has very few right angles. Everything is all curves and bumps and the only penis-shaped items are actual penises.

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Kma2 wrote:How else could it be that they are so uneducated regarding what is going on in America.

Same as anyone else; I slaughter gibbons and frolic in their blood. Or just, y'know, disagree with you.

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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:03 pm

Nordicus wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...


:rofl:

Check the bloded

Oops. Well, it still isn't mentioned in regards to Christians, at least.


That's why he asked the question.

And the quote does seem to imply that it does "All people are like this, not just them"
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Postby Nordicus » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:55 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...


:rofl:

Check the bloded

Oops. Well, it still isn't mentioned in regards to Christians, at least.

That's why he asked the question.

And the quote does seem to imply that it does "All people are like this, not just them"

I read it more as, "I hate some Christians, but it's just because I hate all stupid/ignorant people."
Note: I am an atheist. If I say something supportive of a religion, it's because I try to be fair and even-handed, not because I am a follower of that religion.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII wrote:Engineers hate biology, because it has very few right angles. Everything is all curves and bumps and the only penis-shaped items are actual penises.

Dregruk wrote:
Kma2 wrote:How else could it be that they are so uneducated regarding what is going on in America.

Same as anyone else; I slaughter gibbons and frolic in their blood. Or just, y'know, disagree with you.

Tsaraine wrote:Somewhere in Philadelphia, one school administrator has just smacked another school administrator upside the head. "Damnit, Jenkins! I told you we should just have gone with chastity belts!"

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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:58 pm

Nordicus wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:
Nordicus wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
Courtsland wrote:So tell me why do you hate christians?


It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

"All" is not mentioned anywhere in the post you quoted...


:rofl:

Check the bloded

Oops. Well, it still isn't mentioned in regards to Christians, at least.

That's why he asked the question.

And the quote does seem to imply that it does "All people are like this, not just them"

I read it more as, "I hate some Christians, but it's just because I hate all stupid/ignorant people."


I don't know where you got that from.

What he pretty much said was "It's not just christians I hate but all stupid/ignorant people"
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Postby Intestinal fluids » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:23 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
I don't know where you got that from.

What he pretty much said was "It's not just christians I hate but all stupid/ignorant people"


Close but you have slightly missed the mark. The problem is that all humans are stupid. And i mean that in a very specific scene. I am of the opinion that there are no answers to "God" or our existence simply because our biology (our sences and our ability to interpret them) arnt designed to understand what the "real" answer is in the same way you cant teach a spider how to play chess. Its simply not biologically designed to do so no matter how hard you try. To a spiders perspective its sitting on a piece of wood. So what are we sitting on that we are incapable of understanding? Its a question we cant really ask in the same way a spider will never ask, am i sitting on a chess board?

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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:42 pm

Helgrin wrote:I also hate Christians because they can't answer this question: How do you know you're right?


How do you know you're right?
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:47 pm

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:Image


There's some sort of scientific discovery proving that God doesn't exist? Really? When did this happen? (sarcasm)
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Postby Felixis » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:48 pm

I'll try to be as objective as possible.

On the current topic of evolution:

The way I see it, evolution has no relation to atheism or creationism (using creationism as a term to include all religions). Evolution is an "effect", observations from the world. We see that bacteria change, we see that humans change in response to outside factors. Creationism is our way of trying to explain "why".

Atheists see evolution and think "that's it, evolution is all there is to the world and there's nothing else". Creationists see evolution and think "yeah evolution exists but why? How? Who's behind this evolution thing? Let's look at the bigger picture and try to find the causes behind the effects".

Of course, the above is a generalization (a lot of creationists don't believe evolution exists in the first place), but the fact that there are creationists out there who can reconcile the theory of Evolution (and it is a theory, not a fact), leads me to believe that evolution is not associated with atheism any more than it is with creationism. It has nothing to do with either.

On the larger subject of debate:

-I don't hate Christians. I don't hate any other religions. I don't hate atheists, or agnostics, or whatever. That would be unconditional discrimination and the educational system I grew up with has taught me that such discrimination is wrong. I can love one Christian to death and hate another one's guts, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they are Christian. If the first is kind, nice, cool or whatever, I love that person. If the second is a prick, a snob, and all around mean, then I hate that person. It has to do with the individual, not their religious affiliation.
-That said, I believe this applies to society as a whole. People who hate certain groups of people are a minority in this day and age (at least here in the US). Sure, everyone's biased to some point, but they usually don't let that dominate their way of living.
-Of course, that also means that the few people who do discriminate against groups of people stand out more since they're "unique". So you might probably remember those people more than you remember the people who don't care what your religion is but love (or hate) you unconditionally. Courtsland, you're wrong when you ask why all atheists hate Christians. Not all of them do, only some of them do, but you probably remember them more easily.
-Overall: Atheists, by default, come into conflict with all religions, not just Christians, simply because of what they [don't] believe. So it's easy to fall under the misconception that all atheists have to argue with creationists, and vice versa. But all it takes is just a little respect for another's beliefs. Our nation (the US) lasted for two hundred years based on (among others) the freedom of religion, and despite it not always working perfectly, the fact that we're still standing here today proves that a group of people living on the ideal that we should respect other people no matter which religion they practice (or don't), works.

So, to sum up:
No, not all atheists hate Christians, it's just that those few who do tend to get more attention than the majority who don't. Religious discrimination is not widespread, at least not here in the US. Respecting someone else despite their religion is more fun than arguing with every single person who doesn't share your faith.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:00 am

Greater Americania wrote:There's some sort of scientific discovery proving that God doesn't exist? Really? When did this happen? (sarcasm)


Yesterday. Around teatime.

Seriously though - the scientist fits hypotheses to the data. And if they cannot find an explanation, they simply say: "I do not know. Yet".
Christianity otoh makes a positive claim: God did it, in this and this way. NOT in the way those silly Hindus, Greeks, Celts, Egyptians, Scientologists etc claim.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:03 am

Felixis wrote:Atheists see evolution and think "that's it, evolution is all there is to the world and there's nothing else". Creationists see evolution and think "yeah evolution exists but why? How? Who's behind this evolution thing? Let's look at the bigger picture and try to find the causes behind the effects".


*snort*
You mixed up scientists and creationists there :p The theory of evolution through natural selection IS a look at the bigger picture and trying to find the causes and consequences of the fact of evolution.

Creationists say "godddidit" and then want tea.
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Postby Greater Americania » Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:06 am

The Alma Mater wrote:Yesterday. Around teatime.

Seriously though - the scientist fits hypotheses to the data. And if they cannot find an explanation, they simply say: "I do not know. Yet".
Christianity otoh makes a positive claim: God did it, in this and this way. NOT in the way those silly Hindus, Greeks, Celts, Egyptians, Scientologists etc claim.


My point is that it's contradictory to say that one hates Christians for not knowing how they're right while simultaneously being an Atheist, because Atheists don't know how they're right either. Neither side has concrete proof on the affair. Christians just cite the Bible and Atheists just cite the fact that Christians have no credible proof of their claims. Neither side has any evidence to say that God does or doesn't exist for a certainty.
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Postby Greater Americania » Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:18 am

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:Actually, not so much science as logic. There have been countless, countless debates on this, but Epicurus sums up one of the basic arguments:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Note that 'free will' is an epic fail of an argument; if 'free will' was an argument, then why are there natural disasters and pure coincidences? If 'free will' was important, then how about blinded men not becoming unblinded? How is that 'free will'?


None of this has anything to do with whether or not he exists or not. It just deals with the morality of God.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:08 am

Greater Americania wrote:
Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:Actually, not so much science as logic. There have been countless, countless debates on this, but Epicurus sums up one of the basic arguments:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Note that 'free will' is an epic fail of an argument; if 'free will' was an argument, then why are there natural disasters and pure coincidences? If 'free will' was important, then how about blinded men not becoming unblinded? How is that 'free will'?


None of this has anything to do with whether or not he exists or not. It just deals with the morality of God.


if an omnipotent interventionist god capable of exerting pressure on the physical realm without dwelling physically within it - existed, there would be evidence.

There would be parallel events, some of which conformed to physical laws, and some of which didn't - and those that didn't correspond would be the evidence of extra-physical intervention.

That second class of parallel events doesn't exist - thus it's reasonable to assume no interventionist god, exerting pressure in reality, while removed from it.
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Postby Yorkie Mundo » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:21 am

So then what is reality?

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Yorkie Mundo wrote:So then what is reality?


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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:28 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Yorkie Mundo wrote:So then what is reality?


A bit like Brie.

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Postby Meoton » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:39 am

Why do Christians hate Atheists?
Why do you force all that Christian Hoodoo and Voodoo down our throats?
Why do you force your beliefs into our schools?
Why do you try to force your agenda into our government?
Why do you try to force your religious tenets, most of which you can't even follow, into our law books?
Why do you try to enforce religious discrimination into our society? Discriminating against atheists, other religions, other denominations, and homosexuals.
Why do you make shit up to counter scientific proven fact? 6,000 year old earth, Great Flood, Age of the Universe, Dinosaurs died before humans evolved, Evolution, geology, physics, anthropology, sociology, archaeology, astronomy, biology, and any other scientific field that disagrees with Biblical Creationism.

So, Christians. Why do you hate everyone else?
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:42 am

Meoton wrote:Why do Christians hate Atheists?
Why do you force all that Christian Hoodoo and Voodoo down our throats?
Why do you force your beliefs into our schools?
Why do you try to force your agenda into our government?
Why do you try to force your religious tenets, most of which you can't even follow, into our law books?
Why do you try to enforce religious discrimination into our society? Discriminating against atheists, other religions, other denominations, and homosexuals.
Why do you make shit up to counter scientific proven fact? 6,000 year old earth, Great Flood, Age of the Universe, Dinosaurs died before humans evolved, Evolution, geology, physics, anthropology, sociology, archaeology, astronomy, biology, and any other scientific field that disagrees with Biblical Creationism.

So, Christians. Why do you hate everyone else?

I was going to respond to this line by line, but then decided fuck it, it's not worth the effort since the response was going to be the same for each one...

What makes you think that all christians do those things?
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Postby Harmless Ducklings » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:42 am

Religious discussions waste more man-hours than any other activity since the dawn of time.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:47 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Yorkie Mundo wrote:So then what is reality?


A bit like Brie.

Disgusting?


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