Atheists why do you all hate Christians?

[Bottle]

What is acid'd?

Haveing acid thrown it your face for not dressing in what apears to be a circus tent. Done to many woman in the middle east due to religion.

Yeah, in the USA we just rape women who aren't dressed right. Much more civilized.

[Ifreann]

Evolution is based on faith, as well. Everything I have seen has proven it to be false. In fact, without uniformitarianism, evolution falls flat on its face.

No, it isn't. Where are you getting this information from?

No no, his argument is brilliant.

See, he's arguing that we can't assume "uniformitarianism," which is basically the assumption that natural laws (like physics) exist and have existed for at least as long as evolution has been going on.

He's saying that evolution falls flat on its face because it's wrong to assume that forces like gravity have been around for as long as life has been around on this planet.

Seriously.

That's his argument.

He's literally arguing against gravity.

[The Tofu Islands]

Shiiit, I put that in the wrong category? Sue me then.

*Sues.*

You mean

:snip:

isn't in the bible?

That’s not what I said. I said that slavery was practised for economic reasons, even if some of the justifications were religious. Also remember that (at least some of) the notable abolitionists were also religious.

Is "saw Mary on Mount Kibeho, she gave me a vision to kill all the Tutsis" 'ethinic'?

From Wikipedia:

Though religious factors were not prominent (the event was ethnically motivated) the Human Rights Watch reported that a number of religious authorities, particularly Roman Catholic, in Rwanda failed to condemn the genocide.[18] Some in its religious hierarchy have been brought to trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and convicted.[17] Bishop Misago was accused of corruption and complicity in the genocide but was cleared of all charges in 2000.[19] The majority of Rwandans, and of Tutsis in particular, are Catholic.

But people who disagree with me are usually irrational or hallucinating. *awaits ad-hominem-intolerance-brick*

Cute.


Also, I noticed you failed to address the main point, which is that these do not give reasons to hate religion in general, any more then Stalin’s actions give reason to hate atheists in general.

[The Tofu Islands]

Oh, you did remember it.

Plus, for all of these and other similar arguments:
These do not give a reason to hate Nazis in general.
Things like this may give reasons to dislike specific groups (like hitler-followers) or individuals (like hitler), but not the religion as a whole.

The difference is that belief in racial superiority, racial purity, and such are all parts of Nazism.

[The Alma Mater]

He's literally arguing against gravity.

You mean space-time curvature ?
Gravity is merely an illusion

[Adauchi]

He's literally arguing against gravity.

You mean space-time curvature ?
Gravity is merely an illusion

Tell that to the bleeting lamb above.

[Tokos]

Yeah, in the USA we just rape women who aren't dressed right. Much more civilized.

If you're seriously comparing a rapist's clumsy courtroom excuse to real and frequent goings-on in crazy countries, often sanctioned by the local families, you need to think again.

[The Alma Mater]

Yeah, in the USA we just rape women who aren't dressed right. Much more civilized.

If you're seriously comparing a rapist's clumsy courtroom excuse to real and frequent goings-on in crazy countries, often sanctioned by the local families, you need to think again.

Did 60% or so of UK women not believe that a woman getting raped was asking for it ?
Seems some societies do support the "clumsy courtroom excuse".

[Tokos]

56% of women said that in certain situations the woman can be partly responsible, which is quite a long way from punishment rape no matter how you spin it. I'm fairly sure that "was not in modest dress" was not one of the reasons generally given by the women.

If you want to find punishment rapes, go to the backwoods of Pakistan.

[Tzorsland]

Because evolution IS a fact.

Seriously, you are living proof of how badly we NEED high school education in this area, because this is disgraceful.

Evolution, the phenomenon, exists. It is fact. There is no doubt, whatsoever, that evolution takes place.

The "Theory Of Evolution" actually refers to The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection. That is, it is a theory about HOW evolution occurs.

The fact that evolution occurs is not in debate, except by people who are completely and utterly ignorant of science and also totally divorced from reality. Denying that evolution takes place is like denying that gravity exists. It's that stupid.

What is debated, and critiqued, and studied at great length (by SCIENTISTS!) is how evolution occurs. What are the many forces involved, what elements are required, and by what processes does it proceed? That is the "theory."

The current theory, that evolution occurs via natural selection, is the single most well-supported theory in the history of modern science.

Actually, it’s not a fact. It’s more like its close enough for all practical purposes, but it is not in and of itself a fact. Natural selection does occur but is only one factor among many including plain old dumb luck. More importantly, it is not a factor whatsoever Darwin’s original argument, the “origin” of species. (Of course the whole notion of “species” in Darwin’s time was a vague notion then and it is a vague notion now. Wiki lists over a dozen different types of species each with its own definition.)

The current theory on the origin of species involves isolationism more than natural selection. Long term non breeding with each other produces variations that are irreconcilable and thus creates two new species. Neither species has to be the best for their particular environment and natural selection only imparts efficiency to organisms up to the point of breeding and no farther. (This is why middle aged humans have so many damn problems in life.)

Applying Darwin’s theories on gradual linear creation of species produces holes in the general evolutionary theory argument (because the origin of species is neither gradual nor linear) that creationists use to self justify their non science.

After all, Newtonian Physics is a fact right? Well not really, but unless you are really close to a very large object or going close to the speed of light it is close enough for all practical measurements.

[The Alma Mater]

Actually, it’s not a fact. It’s more like its close enough for all practical purposes, but it is not in and of itself a fact. Natural selection does occur but is only one factor among many including plain old dumb luck.

Eeehm.. read again. *Evolution* is a fact. *Natural selection* and some of the consequences of evolution posited by the theory of evolution through natural selection are the theory part.

[Albia land of norns]

From Wikipedia:

Though religious factors were not prominent (the event was ethnically motivated) the Human Rights Watch reported that a number of religious authorities, particularly Roman Catholic, in Rwanda failed to condemn the genocide.[18] Some in its religious hierarchy have been brought to trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and convicted.[17] Bishop Misago was accused of corruption and complicity in the genocide but was cleared of all charges in 2000.[19] The majority of Rwandans, and of Tutsis in particular, are Catholic.

And we all know that only smart people, not just any fool with a computer can edit wiki...

[Farnhamia]

From Wikipedia:

Though religious factors were not prominent (the event was ethnically motivated) the Human Rights Watch reported that a number of religious authorities, particularly Roman Catholic, in Rwanda failed to condemn the genocide.[18] Some in its religious hierarchy have been brought to trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and convicted.[17] Bishop Misago was accused of corruption and complicity in the genocide but was cleared of all charges in 2000.[19] The majority of Rwandans, and of Tutsis in particular, are Catholic.

And we all know that only smart people, not just any fool with a computer can edit wiki...

The days of any fool with a computer being able to just waltz in and edit Wikipedia are long over. You might create an account there and run amok for a little while, but they have people watching for that sort of thing and vandalism is dealt with fairly quickly. Read and learn.

[Nordicus]

Similarly, if you want to talk about the Second Kings (I believe) story of throwing a handful of salt into contaminated water to purify it, I can see how that could fit into a science class as a discussion point on molecular entanglement, coagulation, or charge attractions

Diffusion and its effect on cells would also be a good topic for that one.

[Tokos]

This is stupid. The Rwandan genocide was your average African affair egged on (earlier) by the colonial Belgians. No need to go dragging religion into it.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

From Wikipedia:

Though religious factors were not prominent (the event was ethnically motivated) the Human Rights Watch reported that a number of religious authorities, particularly Roman Catholic, in Rwanda failed to condemn the genocide.[18] Some in its religious hierarchy have been brought to trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda and convicted.[17] Bishop Misago was accused of corruption and complicity in the genocide but was cleared of all charges in 2000.[19] The majority of Rwandans, and of Tutsis in particular, are Catholic.

And we all know that only smart people, not just any fool with a computer can edit wiki...

The days of any fool with a computer being able to just waltz in and edit Wikipedia are long over. You might create an account there and run amok for a little while, but they have people watching for that sort of thing and vandalism is dealt with fairly quickly. Read and learn.

Though it's still easy to change little details. They go unnoticed quite a lot of the time.

[Dyakovo]

Slavery.

Not religion’s fault (more to do with economic benefits).

You mean

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

isn't in the bible?

Actually Slavery being mentioned in the bible just proves you wrong, as it demonstrates that slavery existed before christianity.

[Dyakovo]

I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.

And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school. The latter, of which, is 100% unprovable and the former would collapse if uniformitarianism is found untrue.

As for me, I hate anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit that their own theory could quite possibly be wrong. Arrogance at its best.

“Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles” - James D Watson

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/ ... 5223.shtml

I suggest you read more material on Evolution and the Big Bang theory.
Because the theory of evolution IS a fact much like erosion.

More accurately evolution is fact, the only question lies in how evolution works, the current preferred theory is it happens through natural selection.

[Person012345]

I don't hate christians. I don't hate christianity. I hate god, or rather I would if I believed he existed. Which you do I'm guessing. Making a generalisation like that is stupid.

[Bottle]

Actually, it’s not a fact. It’s more like its close enough for all practical purposes, but it is not in and of itself a fact.

Sorry, this is just wrong.

Evolution is fact. It's directly observable. I've personally observed evolution at least a dozen times in the last year, and I don't even work in a lab that specializes in that field.

Evolution is as much a fact as any other phenomenon in biology.

[Nimzonia]

So tell me why do you hate christians?

It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

[Dyakovo]

So tell me why do you hate christians?

It's not just christians. It extends to all people who perpetuate stupidity and ignorance.

Are you trying to suggest that all christians perpetuate stupidity and ignorance?

[Gift-of-god]

I think I'm simply going to bookmark this page:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

[Bottle]

I think I'm simply going to bookmark this page:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.

If this paragraph was the only thing they taught in freshman science classes, it still would be better than most public school science programs I've encountered.

[The Tofu Islands]

And we all know that only smart people, not just any fool with a computer can edit wiki...

Sure, wiki isn’t perfect, but it is pretty good for most stuff, and mistakes tend to be removed when they are spotted. Sourcing helps on the reliability front.

And a bit more on that one, while there were religious people who supported the killing, there were also ones who opposed it, even at the cost of their own lives.