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Postby Grandais » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:57 pm

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Resolute Prime wrote:Also: So I make this absolutely clear: the nuke solution was intended a joke.

Nevertheless it would work.


Nukes makes everything better. :lol:

Except that we don't have anywhere near enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire human population. I actually have a diagram (saved somewhere on my HD) that shows how many we have and how many we need. A few well-placed strikes in religious centres might lower the amount of living believers, but it wouldn't help the problem.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Let me see. Dyakovo, you're an atheist, right? Do you hate all Christians?

Yes, I am and no I do not. I do hate some christians, but it isn't because they are christian, it is because they are annoying fuckwads.

:eyebrow: *nods* Right. And what prompts this? The defense of their faith, perhaps? Or is it your own arrogance in believing they are all stupid and blind to follow a "fictional" religion? Just saying...

I'm sure I provoke it on occasion, but mostly I was thinking of the fundies who want to make their beliefs law. Also, I don't think people are stupid for being religious, nor does the bible being a fictional account mean that christianity is not correct.

Why? It is our Holy Book. And if the Bible is false, then that would mean Christianity is false. And why not make it law? Christianity merits a few benefits...

Benefits such as denying anyone who believes otherwise a right to free speech, oppression of minorities such as homosexuals, teaching your false creation as science, denying rape victims a right to abortion, making euthanasia illegal, and decrying non-believers as heretics?

Techophiles wrote:Its not just you Christians, its all religions. Please consider the amount of witch hunts, exorcisms, cleansing, Jihads, suicide bombings, Disgusting acts of guilt tripping $$ out of the people that cant afford their next meal so a teleavangalist can buy his 3rd benz, Child sacrifices, mutulations, molestations, and Wars are committed in the name of God. This is a very short list of the really fucked up things that are done in the name of Faith.

How many people have been killed in the name of God. Name me an organization that is responsible for the deaths of more humans than Christianity. Jesus got on the cross for what (not that Jesus actually existed, but if he did it was all in vain).

Man would be better off without Religion!!

You haven't mentioned Judaism.

Dunroaming wrote:I have a problem with the use of the word "hate". It is not just a dislike, but it is intense dislike or loathing. I, as an atheist may find Christian beliefs silly or childish or lacking in common sense, but no atheist would ever loathe christianty, unless the Christian had loathesome personal qualities---which would surely disqualify him/her as a Christian?

Hmm, well those of us who do abhor Christianity each have our own personal reasons. There is a difference between hating Christianity and hating Christians. I also don't like the 'people who aren't nice aren't true Christians' argument. It just isn't cool when people put in 'oh but they weren't real Christians'. Erm, no. A Christian is someone who follows Christianity, it has nothing to do with their moral standing or personality...

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South Lorenya wrote:They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

It's not even a very good book.


Come now it has everything, love, relationships, deceit, revenge, action, war, drama.

Pretty much every genre is covered in it.

Especially fiction. :meh:


Science fiction even. They imagined TANKS.
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No, that's just an iron chariot. That's the same as my dad saying that the Bible invented UFOs because one of the prophets was taken up in a 'chariot of fire' :palm:

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Dyakovo wrote:Not all religious charities require you to listen to their sermons or convert. The Salvation Army is an example of one that does not.


Threatening to close all the soup kitchens if legislation would be passed requiring organisations working with civil authorities to recognise domestic partnerships, including those of gays, is indeed not a cnversionhook in any way.


Your thinking of the Catholic Church. the Salvation Army made no such threat. in fact it condemned the threat.

My grandmother is Corporal btw

This intrigues me, can I get a source on this? (news article?)

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Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:The Holocaust.

lol qui?
The killing of the Jews are not religion-based, they are race-based.


The idea that Jews are a seperate race can easily be said to be religious.
In addition, religious does not need to mean Christian. I daresay Hitler loved certain paganistic rituals.


That may be so, but he was still Christian. (If you'd like to argue this, I have plenty of evidence.) And here comes *honk honk* Godwin's Law! Congratulations, we've gone 46 pages without mention of it. Well done!

Mollux wrote:As a former atheist, I attest that I did not hate Christians when I was an atheist. I'm sure, though, after a thousand posts, someone has pointed out the OP's flamebaiting.

When I first became an atheist, I went for a couple of weeks as a utilitarian, accepting all people's right to their own beliefs and not discriminating against anybody. Then I did the research and now I am an atheist misanthrope.
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Postby Tokos » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:39 am

That may be so, but he was still Christian. (If you'd like to argue this, I have plenty of evidence.)


The Grandfather of Bolshevism indeed. :roll:

And here comes *honk honk* Godwin's Law! Congratulations, we've gone 46 pages without mention of it. Well done!


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Postby Indoslavokia » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:41 am

Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school. The latter, of which, is 100% unprovable and the former would collapse if uniformitarianism is found untrue.

As for me, I hate anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit that their own theory could quite possibly be wrong. Arrogance at its best.

“Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles” - James D Watson

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:49 am

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Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.
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Postby Indoslavokia » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:52 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.


Yes, because evolution was announced as an exact science, just like the Big Bang theory. Oh wait.

Would anyone have a problem if the Bible was brought in to the classroom to teach history classes? Or, even, science?
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Postby South Norwega » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:56 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
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Indoslavokia wrote:
Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.


Yes, because evolution was announced as an exact science, just like the Big Bang theory. Oh wait..


Religious Theories aren't science, and thus belong in religious classes. Evolution shouldn't be taught in Religious studies, Creationism shouldn't be taught in Science. Both can be mentioned as alternatives in either, but detailed descriptions are no.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:58 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
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Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.


Yes, because evolution was announced as an exact science, just like the Big Bang theory. Oh wait..


I'm sorry... where did I say 'exact'?

You've heard of Heisenberg, I assume? You're aware of the Uncertainty Principle? You are, therefore, aware that - among those who really KNOW science, it is common knowledge that 'exact science' isn't an exact science?

You are comparing Creationism to Evolution. One of these is scientific, and the other is Creationism. It bears the same resemblence to science, that kangaroos do to jam.
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Postby Grandais » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:58 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school. The latter, of which, is 100% unprovable and the former would collapse if uniformitarianism is found untrue.

As for me, I hate anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit that their own theory could quite possibly be wrong. Arrogance at its best.

“Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles” - James D Watson

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/ ... 5223.shtml


There is proof for evolution. There is no proof for 'intelligent design'. I have read Creationist magazines which took evidence for evolution and passed it off as 'intelligent design' :palm:
Christianity is based on faith, not facts. Faith is based on disregarding evidence and just keep on believing in what you believe in.
Science is based on fact and changes its theories when new evidence comes to light.

Evolution IS a theory, and it has its detractors. The idea of a theory is that it is an idea, and is improved on when.

Could you please explain what 'uniformitarianism' is?

The Big Bang IS provable. By studying quantum mechanics and the stars, we can understand what happened before our time.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:01 am

Indoslavokia wrote:Would anyone have a problem if the Bible was brought in to the classroom to teach history classes? Or, even, science?


That would rather depend on how it was used.

If the Bible was used as an EXAMPLE of a source, I have no problems with it being presented in a history class (personally). On the other hand, if some crackpot wants to teach classes on it, based on the idea that it's in the Bible so it must be TRUE? No - that's not going to fly.

Similarly, if you want to talk about the Second Kings (I believe) story of throwing a handful of salt into contaminated water to purify it, I can see how that could fit into a science class as a discussion point on molecular entanglement, coagulation, or charge attractions - but if you want to teach Biblical stories as though they were scientific principles? Again - not going to fly.
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Postby Indoslavokia » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:12 am

Would anyone have a problem if the Bible was brought in to the classroom to teach history classes? Or, even, science?


BAM! The stupidity, it huuuuuuurts.

Yes: anyone with a rational mind would oppose that. Maybe because it's about as reliable as a book on North Korea by Kim Jong Il.[/quote]

And this is exactly why I hate most atheists: rational arguments and debates are set aside to belittle theists. By the way, did you know many of the the Bible stories have been proven to have happened? Yes, archaeology can be a bitch, can't it?

There is proof for evolution. There is no proof for 'intelligent design'. I have read Creationist magazines which took evidence for evolution and passed it off as 'intelligent design' :palm:
Christianity is based on faith, not facts. Faith is based on disregarding evidence and just keep on believing in what you believe in.
Science is based on fact and changes its theories when new evidence comes to light.
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Evolution is based on faith, as well. Everything I have seen has proven it to be false. In fact, without uniformitarianism, evolution falls flat on its face.

Evolution IS a theory, and it has its detractors. The idea of a theory is that it is an idea, and is improved on when.


It is a theory. Why is it taught as fact?

Could you please explain what 'uniformitarianism' is?


*sugh* I thought Creationists and Christians were supposed to be the ones ignorant of science. Uniformitarianism is the idea that the way we see things today is the way the world has always been. In the case of evolution, long, slow, gradual processes. Therefore, one hole in uniformitarianism would be the death of evolution completely.

The Big Bang IS provable. By studying quantum mechanics and the stars, we can understand what happened before our time.


Yes. Do explain to me how entire galaxies are spinning the opposite way from others. Let me guess... "smaller galaxies collided with the larger one to make it spin backwards". It's the chicken and egg argument. Which came first boys and girls, the smaller galaxy spinning the opposite way, or the larger one? I won't even go into planets spinning the opposite way.

I love science, which is why I hate such theories being taught as if they were fact, and not just 'theories'.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:19 am

Indoslavokia wrote:By the way, did you know many of the the Bible stories have been proven to have happened?


None.

Indoslavokia wrote:It is a theory. Why is it taught as fact?


You, yourself, claim to have an appreciation for science - and then you ask a question like this, which shows you really don't understand it, at all.
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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:24 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Indoslavokia wrote:
Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.


Yes, because evolution was announced as an exact science, just like the Big Bang theory. Oh wait.

I don't understand your point, here.

Evolution IS fact, and it IS a sound scientific theory, and there IS more evidence (by volume) to support the modern theory of evolution than there is evidence to support the Big Bang Theory.

Was this supposed to be an argument against evolutionary theory?

Indoslavokia wrote:Would anyone have a problem if the Bible was brought in to the classroom to teach history classes? Or, even, science?

Of course, just like they'd have a problem if the Torah or the Qu'ran or the Egyptian Book Of The Dead were brought in. Those texts are irrelevant to the subject matter.

Plus, most parents would object to having their children taught that Pi equals 3, bats are birds, and that photosynthetic plants existed before there was a Sun.
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Bottle wrote:
Indoslavokia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Indoslavokia wrote:
Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school.


False. Teaching science in Science lessons is not 'forcing' anything into the classroom, unless you're also going to whine about mathematicians 'forcing' algebra into math classes, and linguists 'forcing' words into English class.


Yes, because evolution was announced as an exact science, just like the Big Bang theory. Oh wait.

I don't understand your point, here.

Evolution IS fact, and it IS a sound scientific theory, and there IS more evidence (by volume) to support the modern theory of evolution than there is evidence to support the Big Bang Theory.

Was this supposed to be an argument against evolutionary theory?

Indoslavokia wrote:Would anyone have a problem if the Bible was brought in to the classroom to teach history classes? Or, even, science?

Of course, just like they'd have a problem if the Torah or the Qu'ran or the Egyptian Book Of The Dead were brought in. Those texts are irrelevant to the subject matter.

Plus, most parents would object to having their children taught that Pi equals 3, bats are birds, and that photosynthetic plants existed before there was a Sun.


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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:30 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
Evolution IS a theory, and it has its detractors. The idea of a theory is that it is an idea, and is improved on when.


It is a theory. Why is it taught as fact?

Because evolution IS a fact.

Seriously, you are living proof of how badly we NEED high school education in this area, because this is disgraceful.

Evolution, the phenomenon, exists. It is fact. There is no doubt, whatsoever, that evolution takes place.

The "Theory Of Evolution" actually refers to The Theory Of Evolution Via Natural Selection. That is, it is a theory about HOW evolution occurs.

The fact that evolution occurs is not in debate, except by people who are completely and utterly ignorant of science and also totally divorced from reality. Denying that evolution takes place is like denying that gravity exists. It's that stupid.

What is debated, and critiqued, and studied at great length (by SCIENTISTS!) is how evolution occurs. What are the many forces involved, what elements are required, and by what processes does it proceed? That is the "theory."

The current theory, that evolution occurs via natural selection, is the single most well-supported theory in the history of modern science.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:31 am

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:
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Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:The Dark Ages.

Not a war, also not really religion’s fault.


Shiiit, I put that in the wrong category? Sue me then.


At least you're admitting you're list has bs in it.

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:Slavery.

Not religion’s fault (more to do with economic benefits).


You mean

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


isn't in the bible?


The very nature of these passages imply that there was slavery before the bible was written. This is not proof that people held slaves because of religion.

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:The Rwandan Genocide.

Ethnically motivated, not religiously motivated.


Is "saw Mary on Mount Kibeho, she gave me a vision to kill all the Tutsis" 'ethinic'?

Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:The Iraq War.

Oil =/= religion...


Thus only a bit responsible. Speaking of which, how about the aftermath? Schoolgirls getting acid'd?


What is acid'd? Don't think that's a word. And the Iraq war wasn't because of religion.
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Parivrtta Niraamaya wrote:But people who disagree with me are usually irrational or hallucinating. *awaits ad-hominem-intolerance-brick*


No the people who disagree with you are usualy just calling out your bullshit.
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Postby Kori to Mizu to Joki » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:38 am

Indoslavokia wrote:
Rejistania wrote:I hate Christians if they try to push creationism into classrooms.


And yet, Atheists are allowed to push Evolution and the Big Bang theory in school. The latter, of which, is 100% unprovable and the former would collapse if uniformitarianism is found untrue.

As for me, I hate anyone who doesn't have the humility to admit that their own theory could quite possibly be wrong. Arrogance at its best.

“Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence to religious principles” - James D Watson

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/ ... 5223.shtml


I suggest you read more material on Evolution and the Big Bang theory.
Because the theory of evolution IS a fact much like erosion.
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Postby Tokos » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:45 am

I don't know how it is in America, but in science classes here (at a technically Christian school) evolution was not pushed as some kind of "secular religion"; any holes or gaps in the broader "how it all fits together" hypotheses and theories were demonstrated, for example. Perhaps this is why there is very little opposition here; would the opposition in America be because of a worse approach to teaching, or because Americans like going on weird political crusades almost as much as the French do?
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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:48 am

Tokos wrote:I don't know how it is in America, but in science classes here (at a technically Christian school) evolution was not pushed as some kind of "secular religion"; any holes or gaps in the broader "how it all fits together" hypotheses and theories were demonstrated, for example. Perhaps this is why there is very little opposition here; would the opposition in America be because of a worse approach to teaching, or because Americans like going on weird political crusades almost as much as the French do?

It's not a problem with how it's taught, it's a problem with American culture. Anti-intellectualism is an entrenched part of American Christianity.
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Postby Grandais » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:50 am

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And this is exactly why I hate most atheists: rational arguments and debates are set aside to belittle theists. By the way, did you know many of the the Bible stories have been proven to have happened? Yes, archaeology can be a bitch, can't it?

None sure is many. In fact, many of them have been DISproven.

And, yeah, we are belittling you, but it's because you're being silly, incredibly biased, and haven't done the research.
Indoslavokia wrote:Evolution is based on faith, as well. Everything I have seen has proven it to be false. In fact, without uniformitarianism, evolution falls flat on its face.

No, it isn't. Where are you getting this information from?

Indoslavokia wrote:*sugh* I thought Creationists and Christians were supposed to be the ones ignorant of science. Uniformitarianism is the idea that the way we see things today is the way the world has always been. In the case of evolution, long, slow, gradual processes. Therefore, one hole in uniformitarianism would be the death of evolution completely.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this, you haven't really explained it properly and have, in fact, contradicted yourself.

And asking for you to explain one thing makes me ignorant of science?

Indoslavokia wrote:Yes. Do explain to me how entire galaxies are spinning the opposite way from others. Let me guess... "smaller galaxies collided with the larger one to make it spin backwards". It's the chicken and egg argument. Which came first boys and girls, the smaller galaxy spinning the opposite way, or the larger one? I won't even go into planets spinning the opposite way.

I love science, which is why I hate such theories being taught as if they were fact, and not just 'theories'.

:palm:
That has nothing to do with what 'came first'


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Postby Xandia Swift » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:05 am

I'm an atheist but I don't understand why religious people are blind to facts, after all evolution can be explained as "god's will" and the big bang theory as"god's plan". I think those are terms religious people understand and can live with while at the same time accept facts. Couldn't those two facts be the result of "intelligent design"?

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Postby Bottle » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:12 am

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Indoslavokia wrote:Evolution is based on faith, as well. Everything I have seen has proven it to be false. In fact, without uniformitarianism, evolution falls flat on its face.

No, it isn't. Where are you getting this information from?

No no, his argument is brilliant.

See, he's arguing that we can't assume "uniformitarianism," which is basically the assumption that natural laws (like physics) exist and have existed for at least as long as evolution has been going on.

He's saying that evolution falls flat on its face because it's wrong to assume that forces like gravity have been around for as long as life has been around on this planet.

Seriously.

That's his argument.

He's literally arguing against gravity.
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The Regency of Stars
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Postby The Regency of Stars » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:18 am

Silence Infidels, Gravity does not exist, it is mere force of will that I do not fall into the ceiling, and I Will SHOW YOU- okay... maybe I won't. But it's not because I'm physically dragged towards the ground by the devil when I try to fly into the ceiling, it's merely I lack a camera.

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In all seriousness

Evolution> Creationism.

I mean, we can almost simulate Creationism from scratch. I prefer to think a Omnipotent being or group of them(agnostic here, not atheist) stimulated the world and we developed as a result of their meddling in the Primordial world, as opposed to God, super-genetic Scientist, creates humans from their constitutant atoms. I mean, which sounds like it is something a diety might actually do. Create us, or slowly sculpt the world until we appear?
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Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If whales had laser eyes the Japanese would stop hunting them in short order.


No they wouldn't.

They would use the eyes in their giant robots.

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Albia land of norns
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Postby Albia land of norns » Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:25 am

Blouman Empire wrote:What is acid'd?


Haveing acid thrown it your face for not dressing in what apears to be a circus tent. Done to many woman in the middle east due to religion.

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