Atheists why do you all hate Christians?

[Dyakovo]

That's not a war, though. The original post specified "[...] in the wars that religion has triggered."

Eeehm.. I daresay killing all humans save one family of collaborators can be interpreted as a declaration of war... albeit a war that is over quickly.

So... would you say that humanity wiping out smallpox and a few other diseases was a declaration of war?

Hmm. Was the smallpox composed of self aware beings ?

But yes. If we can have a war on terror, we can have a war on smallpox

Calling something a war does not make it one.

[The Alma Mater]

How does a war on small pox relate to Christianity collaboration?

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

[The Alma Mater]

Calling something a war does not make it one.

Fair enough.
Let us pretend we are living 200 years from now. Humanity has several colonies in the solar system, including 2 million people on mars.
One day, a far more advanced alien race (let us call them the antarans) enters the solar system. They demand that humanity act only as they deem right.
Humanity does not. The Antarans then fire their stellar converter on Mars, destroying it and everyone on it.

Should humanity interpret this as an act of war, and should we consider the humans siding with the Antarans collaborators ?
If so, why is the same not true for Christians ?

[Dyakovo]

Calling something a war does not make it one.

Fair enough.
Let us pretend we are living 200 years from now. Humanity has several colonies in the solar system, including 2 million people on mars.
One day, a far more advanced alien race (let us call them the antarans) enters the solar system. They demand that humanity act only as they deem right.
Humanity does not. The Antarans then fire their stellar converter on Mars, destroying it and everyone on it.

Should humanity interpret this as an act of war, and should we consider the humans siding with the Antarans collaborators ?
If so, why is the same not true for Christians ?

That would be an act of war. Also, I find your example highly amusing since it has something very important in common with the story of Noah's Ark... Neither one of them have happened.

[Exsoth]

Reasons to hate Christians.

10. Knock. Knock. "Have you heard about Jesus?"
9. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/ Evolution in Kansas.
8. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html Kill the Gays
7. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html Doctor Shot
6. http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192 Obama the antiChrist
5. http://creationmuseum.org/ Everybody ride the dinosaur
4. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877352,00.html Faith Healing
3. http://www.openeducation.net/2009/01/05/abstinence-only-sex-education-statistics-final-nail-in-the-coffin/ Abstinence only
2. http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl5.htm Why even try?
1. http://www.allaboutworldview.org/christianity-vs-science.htm Arrogant bastards.

There are even some who go as far as hosting them book burnings against anything that has say fantasy elements, science books or anything that discredits a supposed god basically

[F1-Insanity]

Silly Nordie, F-1 isn't going to let that stop him from making up reasons to hate religion...

How exactly is pointing out that religion in general (and christianity and islam in particular) has left stacks of bodies behind (all in the name of their favorite made-up sky-person) 'making up reasons'?

I don't need to make up anything. The facts are clear. Just read the books those two religions push as their manifestos. The general message in those religions is 'if you do not do as we do you are inferior and shall be tortured in a place called hell forever and ever'. Books that gloat about killing scores of folks don' get no respect from me.

[The Alma Mater]

Calling something a war does not make it one.

Fair enough.
Let us pretend we are living 200 years from now. Humanity has several colonies in the solar system, including 2 million people on mars.
One day, a far more advanced alien race (let us call them the antarans) enters the solar system. They demand that humanity act only as they deem right.
Humanity does not. The Antarans then fire their stellar converter on Mars, destroying it and everyone on it.

Should humanity interpret this as an act of war, and should we consider the humans siding with the Antarans collaborators ?
If so, why is the same not true for Christians ?

That would be an act of war. Also, I find your example highly amusing since it has something very important in common with the story of Noah's Ark... Neither one of them have happened.

I know As analogies go, it is quite good.
It would have been even better if the Antarans left and humanity would have been divided in factions with different ideologies... but now I am starting to reference too many 4X games.

[Manahakatouki]

I'd say because we hate you, but I'm not an Atheist...I'm an "I don't give a Damn!" believer.

[Dyakovo]

Reasons to hate Christians.

10. Knock. Knock. "Have you heard about Jesus?"
9. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/ Evolution in Kansas.
8. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html Kill the Gays
7. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html Doctor Shot
6. http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192 Obama the antiChrist
5. http://creationmuseum.org/ Everybody ride the dinosaur
4. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877352,00.html Faith Healing
3. http://www.openeducation.net/2009/01/05/abstinence-only-sex-education-statistics-final-nail-in-the-coffin/ Abstinence only
2. http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl5.htm Why even try?
1. http://www.allaboutworldview.org/christianity-vs-science.htm Arrogant bastards.

There are even some who go as far as hosting them book burnings against anything that has say fantasy elements, science books or anything that discredits a supposed god basically

And when all christians do that I'll acknowledge it as a valid reason to hate all christians, until then you are being as much of an intolerant bigot as those you hate.

[Risottia]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

Anyway, differences between God exterminating humans and humans exterminating smallpox.

Humans are people. Therefore carriers of right. Smallpox viruses (the two Variola) are viruses, that is non people. Not even sentient. They have no rights whatsoever.
If non-people inflict suffering on people, eradication of said non-people is legitimate - it eliminates suffering.
While, instead, drowning millions of people (sentient, sapient and with personhood) means creating suffering. In the case of the Flood, btw, clearly an omnipotent being had other options to stop "sin" (even admitting that its will to stop "sin" had been legitimate), instead of pure and simple genocide. So, it was unnecessary violence: that is, cruel, too.

[Dyakovo]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

Actually, you don't know that, all that is clear from the story is that the only people he succeeded in saving were his family.

[Exsoth]

Reasons to hate Christians.

10. Knock. Knock. "Have you heard about Jesus?"
9. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/ Evolution in Kansas.
8. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html Kill the Gays
7. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html Doctor Shot
6. http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192 Obama the antiChrist
5. http://creationmuseum.org/ Everybody ride the dinosaur
4. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877352,00.html Faith Healing
3. http://www.openeducation.net/2009/01/05/abstinence-only-sex-education-statistics-final-nail-in-the-coffin/ Abstinence only
2. http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl5.htm Why even try?
1. http://www.allaboutworldview.org/christianity-vs-science.htm Arrogant bastards.

There are even some who go as far as hosting them book burnings against anything that has say fantasy elements, science books or anything that discredits a supposed god basically

And when all christians do that I'll acknowledge it as a valid reason to hate all christians, until then you are being as much of an intolerant bigot as those you hate.

I didnt say i hat them for doing such just that they do so

[Dyakovo]

Reasons to hate Christians.

10. Knock. Knock. "Have you heard about Jesus?"
9. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/ Evolution in Kansas.
8. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html Kill the Gays
7. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html Doctor Shot
6. http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192 Obama the antiChrist
5. http://creationmuseum.org/ Everybody ride the dinosaur
4. http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1877352,00.html Faith Healing
3. http://www.openeducation.net/2009/01/05/abstinence-only-sex-education-statistics-final-nail-in-the-coffin/ Abstinence only
2. http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl5.htm Why even try?
1. http://www.allaboutworldview.org/christianity-vs-science.htm Arrogant bastards.

There are even some who go as far as hosting them book burnings against anything that has say fantasy elements, science books or anything that discredits a supposed god basically

And when all christians do that I'll acknowledge it as a valid reason to hate all christians, until then you are being as much of an intolerant bigot as those you hate.

I didnt say i hat them for doing such just that they do so

Sorry, I assumed that you did since you seemed to be agreeing with Meoton who was listing reasons why he hates all christians.

[The Alma Mater]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

So... are we still at war, or did we make peace when God gave us his son to kill ?
Almost all humanity vs 1 son, now we are even sort-of-thing ?

[Exsoth]

Its my fault I should have clarified it in the first place as to what I was implying

[Dyakovo]

I've given this a lot of thought, and compiled a list of things that religion is either completely or mostly responsible for, put in wonderful capitals.

The Dark Ages.

The Dark Ages were not the fault of religion. The Dark Ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire. (A lot of other inaccuracies in your post but decided to just stick with this one.)

[Zeppy]

The Holocaust.

lol qui?
The killing of the Jews are not religion-based, they are race-based.

[The Alma Mater]

The Holocaust.

lol qui?
The killing of the Jews are not religion-based, they are race-based.

The idea that Jews are a seperate race can easily be said to be religious.
In addition, religious does not need to mean Christian. I daresay Hitler loved certain paganistic rituals.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Of course. I consider atheism as much a matter of faith as belief in deity. There is no substantive proof that deity exists and there is no proof that deity does not exist. Both sides become dogmatic as Hell and both sides annoy the Hell out of me. I've come down on the atheist side (barely) because I've heard slightly more rational discussion supporting disbelief than I've heard supporting belief in deity, but I'm open to all sides of the discussion. But, just as belief in deity does not guarantee a spiritual life, disbelief in deity does not negate a spiritual life: just as dogmatic belief in a particular religion almost guarantees stunted spiritual growth.

Ah yes, the golden mean fallacy, because the truth is always exactly in the middle of two positions.

[Dyakovo]

Of course. I consider atheism as much a matter of faith as belief in deity. There is no substantive proof that deity exists and there is no proof that deity does not exist. Both sides become dogmatic as Hell and both sides annoy the Hell out of me. I've come down on the atheist side (barely) because I've heard slightly more rational discussion supporting disbelief than I've heard supporting belief in deity, but I'm open to all sides of the discussion. But, just as belief in deity does not guarantee a spiritual life, disbelief in deity does not negate a spiritual life: just as dogmatic belief in a particular religion almost guarantees stunted spiritual growth.

Ah yes, the golden mean fallacy, because the truth is always exactly in the middle of two positions.

Yeah, that's what she said...

[Risottia]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

So... are we still at war, or did we make peace when God gave us his son to kill ?
Almost all humanity vs 1 son, now we are even sort-of-thing ?

No.
I didn't get my Jesus to kill.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Yeah, that's what she said...

Oh no, that's not what she said, but that was really the underlying logic behind it. That's really the underlying logic between a lot of "moderation," the idea that the truth is always a 50/50 compromise between the two extremes.

[Risottia]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

Actually, you don't know that, all that is clear from the story is that the only people he succeeded in saving were his family.

Genesis VI doesn't report anything that could suggest that Noah tried to warn other people. So if we take the Bible as truthful testimony, well, he didn't.

[Dyakovo]

Debate question 1. Can Gods action that killed off all humanity save Noah c.s. be interpreted as an act of war ?
Debate question 2. Was Noahs a collaborator ?

Currently question 1 is being "debated" by comparing humans exterminating smallpox to God exterminating humanity, and asking if the word war is justified in this context.

Clear ?

Mh.
1.Killing off all humanity is genocide. So, definitely an act of war.
2.Well... yes. He didn't try to save other people than his own closer relatives.

Actually, you don't know that, all that is clear from the story is that the only people he succeeded in saving were his family.

Genesis VI doesn't report anything that could suggest that Noah tried to warn other people. So if we take the Bible as truthful testimony, well, he didn't.

It also does not report anything to suggest that he didn't.

[Shepherdton]

I've given this a lot of thought, and compiled a list of things that religion is either completely or mostly responsible for, put in wonderful capitals.

And here's a list of why. Mind you, this doesn't extend all the way back to Mayan times, it's just what I can find off the top of my head. It's very incomplete.

An Incomplete List of Atrocities

Wars

The Crusades.
The Dark Ages.
Every Jihad Ever.
The Troubles.

Persecutions

The Persecution of the Protestants.
The Persecution of the Catholics.
The Persecution of Atheists.
The Persecution of the Jews.
The Persecution of the Muslims.
The Persecution of the Homosexuals.
The Persecution of the Blacks.
Slavery.
The Pogroms.

Needless Death

The Numerous Martyrdoms.
9-11.

Abuse of the Vulnerable

The Indoctrination of the Child.
The Harmful Repression of Sexuality.
The Various Abuses of Children by Clergy, ranging from rape to beating to a thousand others.

Horrifying Organizations

The Lord's Resistance Army.
Al Qaeda.
The Interahamwe.
Aleph.
The Ku Klux Klan.
Abu Sayyaf.
Egyptian Islamic Jihad.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
The Sons of Freedom.
The National Liberation Front of Tripura.
The Army of God.

Genocides

The Rwandan Genocide.
The Holocaust.

Terrible Practices

Circumcision of Infants (w/o anaesthetic)
Human Sacrifice

Half-related to:

The Exploitation of Mesoamerica.
The Murder of the Natives.
The British Empire.
The Iraq War.

Alot of that is people using religion as an excuse, or to rationalize what they've done

and half of your list doesn't have anything to do with religion at all