Atheists why do you all hate Christians?

[Blouman Empire]

And someone had the audacity to claim that it was impossible for an atheist and a theist to get along...

Our beliefs just aren't compatible we must hate each other.

*hates BE*

it's a hateful kiss

And this is a hateful hug



*Continues hating Dyakovo*

[KwunJin Corp]

wait, who says all atheists hate christians? that's not true at all!

[Dyakovo]

There are degrees of "truth" though.I mean its the difference between.
"Noah was a smart guy who built his house on a mountain cause he noticed that the river flooded once a year and was worried about it. His neighbours? not so smart (he may have kept some goats)"
and:
"Noah was the chosen of god, he built a massive boat (the engineering doesn't work out . . .shear stress cause by wave motion on the hulls would wreck a boat that size built of softwood in open waters) fit two of every species on the planet in and resettled the world after days and days of flooding (the genetics are weak too . . .so's the fossil record and tales of natural disasters are a pretty common denominator of "god(s)'s wrath across almost every religion out there)."


or;
"there was a jewish preacher who was a very nice and preached beliefs that wrre way ahead of his time. He had some friends. Unfortunately someone got worried and killed the guy before someone else saw the potential that this religion presented to unify roman conquests"
against
"the son of god was born from a virgin (where did the y chromasome come from???). Had all kinds of mystical experiences. Performed miracles . . .lots of miracles. And got killed by teh Ebil Sinners in order to save us. Oh then he resurrected and a few weeks later died again."

. . .these differences are important . . .very . . .very important.

Indeed. Also, as a note on Noah's ark, it wasn't two of every species... It was 7 of the "clean" animals and a pair of the "unclean"...

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

[Dyakovo]

wait, who says all atheists hate christians?

The OP... And apparently the bible

that's not true at all!

Indeed

[DaWoad]

There are degrees of "truth" though.I mean its the difference between.
"Noah was a smart guy who built his house on a mountain cause he noticed that the river flooded once a year and was worried about it. His neighbours? not so smart (he may have kept some goats)"
and:
"Noah was the chosen of god, he built a massive boat (the engineering doesn't work out . . .shear stress cause by wave motion on the hulls would wreck a boat that size built of softwood in open waters) fit two of every species on the planet in and resettled the world after days and days of flooding (the genetics are weak too . . .so's the fossil record and tales of natural disasters are a pretty common denominator of "god(s)'s wrath across almost every religion out there)."


or;
"there was a jewish preacher who was a very nice and preached beliefs that wrre way ahead of his time. He had some friends. Unfortunately someone got worried and killed the guy before someone else saw the potential that this religion presented to unify roman conquests"
against
"the son of god was born from a virgin (where did the y chromasome come from???). Had all kinds of mystical experiences. Performed miracles . . .lots of miracles. And got killed by teh Ebil Sinners in order to save us. Oh then he resurrected and a few weeks later died again."

. . .these differences are important . . .very . . .very important.

Indeed. Also, as a note on Noah's ark, it wasn't two of every species... It was 7 of the "clean" animals and a pair of the "unclean"...

And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

Oh man . . .thanks for the info Dyakovo. *grins* cool

[Wiztopia]

It doesn't really have to do with atheism considering that I'm not atheist. However, Christians love to push their own ideals onto people such as pro-life or anti-homosexuality. For instance with abortion. Instead of leaving it alone because it's none of their business they try to condemn it and block people from getting one if they want it.

And they don't even consider the quality of life that child would have. Especially if they live in a household where they are constantly reminded that they were not wanted.

Plus Conservative Christians don't consider the fact that even if abortions are illegal, they still will happen. It just will not be safe for the woman getting them.

That's another reason. Seriously. I want any Christian to actually find abortion mentioned in the Bible. It doesn't exist. So I don't see why they try to use the Bible against abortion.

They usually use the whole "it's murder" or "you're destroyin' a life" bologna. Some won't even abort retarded babies or babies with abnormalities. They're in fact condemning their children to a life of misery. Seriously what is quality of life in those cases?

Well that's slightly different. I'm thinking more along the lines of rape victims. A few years ago there was a Christian girl who was raped yet refused to get an abortion because of her Christian views. Now if her parents had instead of taken her to church at a young age and taught her different viewpoints of different religions/non religious then she would at least have considered it. My friend even said "all morals have exceptions" to that.

Eh. I don't limit my views for just rape victims. I'm soley for the "her body her choice". I don't know if I personally would get one but I'm not going to make others conform to my beliefs. If they want to keep it, they should keep it. If they don't, they should do what they want.

Neither do I. It is their choice. Christians should just allow women to make their own choice. I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of their line of thought. If somebody wants advice about it I don't tell them to get an abortion. I tell them that the three options they have are adoption, abortion, or to keep it. No particular order either.

[Dyakovo]

Oh man . . .thanks for the info Dyakovo. *grins* cool

It certainly didn't get any better did it?
And people wonder why I refer to the bible as a work of fiction.

[Zephie]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

Well, I hate Christians because they think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

You just put the whole Atheist argument into one sentence. Well done.

Anyway, we don't hate christians, we hate ALL religion, because it's bullshit.

[Wiztopia]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

Well, I hate Christians because they think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

You just put the whole Atheist argument into one sentence. Well done.

Anyway, we don't hate christians, we hate ALL religion, because it's bullshit.

Then what does that make me if I'm not atheist nor agnostic and think all religion is bullshit?

[Blitzkrenia]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

Well, I hate Christians because they think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

You just put the whole Atheist argument into one sentence. Well done.

Anyway, we don't hate christians, we hate ALL religion, because it's bullshit.

Then what does that make me if I'm not atheist nor agnostic and think all religion is bullshit?

A hypocrite?

More seriously though, if you believe in a supreme being but not an organized religion, you might be a deist.

[Tirovia]

So tell me why do you hate christians?

I'm not too keen on trolls, to be sure.

[Meridiani Planum]

I'm an atheist. Some of my dearest friends have been Christians. I can't think of any Christians off the top of my head that I hate, if that means to wish someone misfortune and unhappiness. I may disapprove of some Christians beliefs and values, but my disapproval is for those beliefs and values, not for the Christians as persons.

[Amor Pulchritudo]

So tell me why do you hate christians?

I don't hate Christians. I do, however, hate gross generalisations.

I dislike religion, full stop. I don't "hate" anyone who holds a certain religious belief.

[Tirovia]

Then what does that make me if I'm not atheist nor agnostic and think all religion is bullshit?

Irrational.

If you are not atheist, then you are not without gods ('atheist' means literally 'one who is without gods'). That means that you must have at least one god. (If you don't believe in god or gods then you're atheist by definition, whether you accept the term or not.)

If you are not agnostic, then you believe you know the answer to the question of whether or not God (or gods) exists, or at least that that answer can be known.

Your statement, therefore, suggests that you must believe not only in the possible existence of one or more gods, but in their actual existence.

So by your own argument you believe in the existence of deities. The question then is what you mean by 'religion' when you say you think it's 'all bullshit'.

The Roman meaning of the word 'religion' was 'obligation'. If you carried out your obligations to a god, in terms of prayer and ritual and sacrifice then you were religious. In those days, you could believe in the gods without being religious - although it seems unwise. The modern meaning, however, is more general: 'religion' in today's English now describes the belief itself. If you believe that the gods exist - or that a god exists; or that some spiritual dimension to the universe exists - then you are religious, also by definition.

Admittedly, there are those rather timid types who, cowed by the jeering of anti-religionists, seek to distance themselves from the word 'religion' - in its modern sense - by substituting synonyms like 'spirituality'. If you're one of these then I'd like to refer you to Ms. Capulet's comments about "a rose by any other name".

There are two other possibilities: you're using the word 'religion' in its ancient sense and trying to get out of it by arguing that you feel no obligation to the god(s) you believe in. That's playing at semantics, and doesn't carry any weight because that definition of the word has no currency today.

The other possibility is that you believe that the belief system you yourself hold to is bullshit. That's taking a dive straight into irrationality.

(There is one more possibility, for a total of four: if you made your comment above because you thought it'd be a good way to look fashionably enigmatic and subversively reject the labels of convention, don't bother: that sort of thing just ends up making you look all woolly.)

[Duroland]

Its not just you Christians, its all religions. Please consider the amount of witch hunts, exorcisms, cleansing, Jihads, suicide bombings, Disgusting acts of guilt tripping $$ out of the people that cant afford their next meal so a teleavangalist can buy his 3rd benz, Child sacrifices, mutulations, molestations, and Wars are committed in the name of God. This is a very short list of the really fucked up things that are done in the name of Faith.

How many people have been killed in the name of God. Name me an organization that is responsible for the deaths of more humans than Christianity. Jesus got on the cross for what (not that Jesus actually existed, but if he did it was all in vain).

Man would be better off without Religion!!

Hardly, many of the advances that made modern science possible would not have existed (at least not as early as they did) without religion. The anti-science tendencies of christianity (mainly evangelical christianity) are actually a fairly recent occcurence.

You completely missed the point, again name an organization that is responsible for more deaths than Christianity?

Christianity has always had sects and subsects?

What's your estimate for the number of deaths caused by Christianity, and could you source the number, please?

Then I'd be able to find some, most likely.

Actually yes, Christianity has always had sects and subsects. In fact, the word "catholic" means "universal" and that's the way the "winners" of the Concilium of Nicaea (in 325AD) called themselves and their creed, banning as "heretical" everything else (including, most importantly, the Arian "sept") and thus stressing the fact that THEY were the true ones (despite it, hundreds of sects already existed, continued to exist and started to exist afterwards).

[Risottia]

wait, who says all atheists hate christians?

The OP... And apparently the bible

that's not true at all!

Indeed

This shows that the Bible reports falsehoods.
By stating that, it's clear that I'm a Christian-hater.

Circular logic is... unsquare.

[Risottia]

The Roman meaning of the word 'religion' was 'obligation'. If you carried out your obligations to a god, in terms of prayer and ritual and sacrifice then you were religious. In those days, you could believe in the gods without being religious - although it seems unwise.

To be more accurate, in Latin religio means the rituals and public acts of belief, while pietas (see Virgil, Aeneidos, "pius Aeneas") means the more private part of belief and of virtue.

[Risottia]

Hardly, many of the advances that made modern science possible would not have existed (at least not as early as they did) without religion. The anti-science tendencies of christianity (mainly evangelical christianity) are actually a fairly recent occcurence.

...define "fairly recent".
Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei, anyone?

[The Alma Mater]

So tell me why do you hate christians?

I don't hate Christians. I do, however, hate gross generalisations.

I dislike religion, full stop. I don't "hate" anyone who holds a certain religious belief.

Ah yes, perhaps that is the problem ?

Maybe the OP meant: "atheists, why don't you all lick the feet of Catholics ?"
Or, more realistically: "atheists, why don't you (show) respect (for) Christianity".

[Kryozerkia]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

Well, I hate Christians because they think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

You just put the whole Atheist argument into one sentence. Well done.

Anyway, we don't hate christians, we hate ALL religion, because it's bullshit.

Then what does that make me if I'm not atheist nor agnostic and think all religion is bullshit?

You are most likely a Deist. Deism is the belief that there is a supreme/superior force in the universe while rejecting the notion that any divine intervention or miracles exists. It doesn't rely on faith or religion.

[Dunroaming]

I have a problem with the use of the word "hate". It is not just a dislike, but it is intense dislike or loathing. I, as an atheist may find Christian beliefs silly or childish or lacking in common sense, but no atheist would ever loathe christianty, unless the Christian had loathesome personal qualities---which would surely disqualify him/her as a Christian?

[Wiztopia]

They don't hate christians; they hate how christians think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

Well, I hate Christians because they think a single book of fiction counts as sufficient evidence to prove everything they believe in.

You just put the whole Atheist argument into one sentence. Well done.

Anyway, we don't hate christians, we hate ALL religion, because it's bullshit.

Then what does that make me if I'm not atheist nor agnostic and think all religion is bullshit?

You are most likely a Deist. Deism is the belief that there is a supreme/superior force in the universe while rejecting the notion that any divine intervention or miracles exists. It doesn't rely on faith or religion.

I just acknowledge God. I'm not spiritual at all. That's about it. God will always be lowest on my list of things to think about. Also I tend to agree with atheists more since they are actually logical and don't interpret things literally or make up their own bullshit. Like Christians who say anti-abortion messages are in the bible even though it is never mentioned.

[Dyakovo]

Hardly, many of the advances that made modern science possible would not have existed (at least not as early as they did) without religion. The anti-science tendencies of christianity (mainly evangelical christianity) are actually a fairly recent occcurence.

...define "fairly recent".
Giordano Bruno and Galileo Galilei, anyone?

Well, there's indications that Galileo got in trouble with the church as much because of the way he presented himself, and as to Bruno (I had to do some looking in his case as I'd never heard of him before) he was a pantheist, so its hard to say that his conviction on counts of heresy was because of his cosmological beliefs. And a final point here christianity ≠ religion.

[Dyakovo]

I have a problem with the use of the word "hate". It is not just a dislike, but it is intense dislike or loathing. I, as an atheist may find Christian beliefs silly or childish or lacking in common sense, but no atheist would ever loathe christianty, unless the Christian had loathesome personal qualities---which would surely disqualify him/her as a Christian?

A number of posts in this very thread put a lie to that statement.

[The Alma Mater]

I just acknowledge God. I'm not spiritual at all. That's about it. God will always be lowest on my list of things to think about. Also I tend to agree with atheists more since they are actually logical and don't interpret things literally or make up their own bullshit. Like Christians who say anti-abortion messages are in the bible even though it is never mentioned.

Oh, on the contrary. The Bible explicitly states that if one causes a woman to miscarry, the person responsible has to pay a compensation fine - and the husband can, if he chooses, demand additional punishment.

Add to that that the Bible mentions dozens of reasons one can kill potentially pregnant women (say: because they were raped in a city) without any regard for the unborn, and we can conclude that the value of an embryo/fetus/whatever is entirely determined by the value the husband of the pregnant woman ascribes to it.

The Bible is therefor pro-choice. Pro-choice of the husband, instead of the woman or the biological father (if different from the husband) - but pro-choice nevertheless.