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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:57 pm

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Eastern Equestria wrote:Actually, "agnosticism" denotes that one is unsure whether or not God(s) exist. It has nothing to do with belief.

I think the word you're looking for is apatheism.

Agnosticism and apatheism is not the same thing.

I feel like this is a good time to bring up ignosticism.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:02 pm

Gim wrote:
Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:Agnosticism and apatheism is not the same thing.


Exactly the point he was trying to make.

I see that now. Sorry :)
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:03 pm

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Gim wrote:
Exactly the point he was trying to make.

I see that now. Sorry :)


No worries. Mistakes come and go. We're all human. :)
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:05 pm

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Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:I see that now. Sorry :)


No worries. Mistakes come and go. We're all human. :)

They do. Like you believing that God is the universal truth :p
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:06 pm

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No worries. Mistakes come and go. We're all human. :)

They do. Like you believing that God is the universal truth :p


Well,...I did not expect you to say that...:P

but, I'm just stating God is the truth, based on my opinion. I discuss, but I don't try to coerce people into believing that is the case. :p
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:11 pm

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Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:They do. Like you believing that God is the universal truth :p


Well,...I did not expect you to say that...:P

but, I'm just stating God is the truth, based on my opinion. I discuss, but I don't try to coerce people into believing that is the case. :p

Good. As you said yourself, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect yours and hopefully people will respect mine :)
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:12 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Gim wrote:
Well,...I did not expect you to say that...:P

but, I'm just stating God is the truth, based on my opinion. I discuss, but I don't try to coerce people into believing that is the case. :p

Good. As you said yourself, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect yours and hopefully people will respect mine :)


I never disrespected yours. If I tried to contradict your statement through discussion, that was to prove my point, not to prove that your opinion is worthy of disrespect.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:14 pm

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:Agnosticism and apatheism is not the same thing.

I didn't say they were...

I see that now. I refer to my previous post :p
Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Gim wrote:
Exactly the point he was trying to make.

I see that now. Sorry :)
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:16 pm

Gim wrote:
Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:Good. As you said yourself, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect yours and hopefully people will respect mine :)


I never disrespected yours. If I tried to contradict your statement through discussion, that was to prove my point, not to prove that your opinion is worthy of disrespect.

I didn't say you were disrespecting me or my opinion. It wasn't meant like that ;)
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Postby U n i t y » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:16 pm

I am an agnostic. But I feel that the teacher has no right to impress their own religious views on that student. Have you ever heard of the Freedom of the Religion?

But may I ask why you are reading RT? RT is a welfare program for crackpot journalists, failures called reporters, and anchor oddities.

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:16 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Gim wrote:
I never disrespected yours. If I tried to contradict your statement through discussion, that was to prove my point, not to prove that your opinion is worthy of disrespect.

I didn't say you were disrespecting me or my opinion. It wasn't meant like that ;)


Oh, okay. My apologies. Hopefully, others respect your opinion. :)
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:17 pm

Gim wrote:
Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:I didn't say you were disrespecting me or my opinion. It wasn't meant like that ;)


Oh, okay. My apologies. Hopefully, others respect your opinion. :)

And I hope people will respect yours too. Peace brother/sister :)
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:19 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Gim wrote:
Oh, okay. My apologies. Hopefully, others respect your opinion. :)

And I hope people will respect yours too. Peace brother/sister :)


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Postby AlezSalmond » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:51 pm

So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:53 pm

AlezSalmond wrote:So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.


No need to swear, but I agree that the concept of positive freedom exists. Parents are more than welcome to inculcate their children about religion, as long as they give the child a choice to venture the world by which the child can learn about the different views present in his or her life, after a few years.
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Postby Newel Swabia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:55 pm

Atheism is outsmarting common sense

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Postby Jute » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:56 pm

Not sure if it's been posted before, but apparently this is the paper in question.

AlezSalmond wrote:So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.

What exactly is forcing a religion on their child?`Punishing them for not believing, or just exposing them to it, like taking it to church and talking about God? If it's the latter, than non-religious people still "force" their non-religious views on the child.
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Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:56 pm

AlezSalmond wrote:So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.


???

Children are minors. The Constitution has limited effect on them until they are adults, or can be considered old enough to fend for themselves (If I remember it correctly). As such, parents can take them to church whether they like it or not.

Who are you to say whether or not they should do that? Besides, that isn't even what's being discussed here.

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:56 pm

Newel Swabia wrote:Atheism is outsmarting common sense


Humans tend to agree to it more than any other belief, that's why. :p
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Postby AlezSalmond » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:58 pm

Jute wrote:Not sure if it's been posted before, but apparently this is the paper in question.

AlezSalmond wrote:So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.

What exactly is forcing a religion on their child?`Punishing them for not believing, or just exposing them to it, like taking it to church and talking about God? If it's the latter, than non-religious people still "force" their non-religious views on the child.


Children are forced to go to church, against their will, from a young age. Generally, when they grow up they begin to explore and a large chunk of religious parents punish this. Which is abuse and a violation of the 1st Amendment. The majority of abusive households are religious anyways so your argument kind of bites itself

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Postby The Wolven League » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:58 pm

U n i t y wrote:I am an agnostic. But I feel that the teacher has no right to impress their own religious views on that student. Have you ever heard of the Freedom of the Religion?

But may I ask why you are reading RT? RT is a welfare program for crackpot journalists, failures called reporters, and anchor oddities.

The religion?

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Postby AlezSalmond » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:59 pm

Cybraxia wrote:
AlezSalmond wrote:So if the parents force their religion on their child, which is a violation of their religious freedom, it's perfectly okay? Glad to see their are so many pro-child abuse dipshits out there.


???

Children are minors. The Constitution has limited effect on them until they are adults, or can be considered old enough to fend for themselves (If I remember it correctly). As such, parents can take them to church whether they like it or not.

Who are you to say whether or not they should do that? Besides, that isn't even what's being discussed here.


Umm, no. Child abuse is not sanctioned by the Constitution. Try again.

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Postby Cybraxia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:02 pm

AlezSalmond wrote:
Jute wrote:Not sure if it's been posted before, but apparently this is the paper in question.


What exactly is forcing a religion on their child?`Punishing them for not believing, or just exposing them to it, like taking it to church and talking about God? If it's the latter, than non-religious people still "force" their non-religious views on the child.


Children are forced to go to church, against their will, from a young age. Generally, when they grow up they begin to explore and a large chunk of religious parents punish this. Which is abuse and a violation of the 1st Amendment. The majority of abusive households are religious anyways so your argument kind of bites itself


Alright, first off:

The majority of abusive households are religious anyways so your argument kind of bites itself


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Children are forced to go to church, against their will, from a young age.


Who can determine if it is against their will or not? Besides, Parents are their legal caretakers.

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Postby Jute » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:03 pm

AlezSalmond wrote:
Jute wrote:Not sure if it's been posted before, but apparently this is the paper in question.


What exactly is forcing a religion on their child?`Punishing them for not believing, or just exposing them to it, like taking it to church and talking about God? If it's the latter, than non-religious people still "force" their non-religious views on the child.


Children are forced to go to church, against their will, from a young age. Generally, when they grow up they begin to explore and a large chunk of religious parents punish this. Which is abuse and a violation of the 1st Amendment. The majority of abusive households are religious anyways so your argument kind of bites itself

Making someone go to church is neither abuse nor a violation of the 1st amendment (which deals only with the separation of church and state, and says nothing about families).
If you argue like that, any kind of upbringing is a "forcing" of your views on your child, isn't it.
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...The notion that science
and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
"A rejection of all philosophy is in itself philosophy."

Check out the Jutean language! Talk to me about anything. Avian air force flag (Source) Definition of atheism Is Religion Dangerous?

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Postby The Wolven League » Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:04 pm

Jute wrote:
AlezSalmond wrote:
Children are forced to go to church, against their will, from a young age. Generally, when they grow up they begin to explore and a large chunk of religious parents punish this. Which is abuse and a violation of the 1st Amendment. The majority of abusive households are religious anyways so your argument kind of bites itself

Making someone go to church is neither abuse nor a violation of the 1st amendment (which deals only with the separation of church and state, and says nothing about families).
If you argue like that, any kind of upbringing is a "forcing" of your views on your child, isn't it.

Teaching kids how to speak is abuse *nod*
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