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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:02 pm

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So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

You can't falsify something that is already true.


It's not the truth; everything is based upon relativism. Is there conclusive evidence that evolution is the truth, when there are ways the theory can be falsified? I mean, it's widely known to be correct, but that does not make it the absolute truth.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:03 pm

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Gim wrote:Sorry, I thought this was pretty obvious.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Falsifiabi ... _evolution

Search "religion is wrong/false/fake/made up/unreliable/any other variation". Go ahead, I dare you.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:03 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.

Yes, there are scientists skeptical about natural selection's ability to mold adaptations from mutations of certain traits.


Republic of Wreptzle wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.


The specific theorize behind evolution do see a fair amount of change over time as we learn more about genetics, nature, etc, but the general concept of Evolution has remained mostly the same since darwin.


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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:04 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Italios wrote:Search "religion is wrong/false/fake/made up/unreliable/any other variation". Go ahead, I dare you.

Now, now, let's not advocate self harm.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:05 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:You can't falsify something that is already true.

It's not the truth; everything is based upon relativism. Is there conclusive evidence that evolution is the truth, when there are ways the theory can be falsified? I mean, it's widely known to be correct, but that does not make it the absolute truth.

It is the truth. The fuck does that mean. There is, and there are not. It's widely known that way because it's true, and it is anyway.
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:05 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Now, now, let's not advocate self harm.

I do my best, but sometimes my naughty side gets the better of me. :blush:


I can, but, most likely, the site is from an unreliable source. Can you handle that? :p
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:06 pm

Australian Republic wrote:I'm appalled from the reaction of everybody in this thread. How would you react if this had happenwd to a religion that was not Christianity? But ten again, who I was I to expect fairness to Christians from the left wing?

I bet if it was an atheist kid who was forced to write a paper saying that a Christian God exists and is the only true thing, you would be perfectly alright with it. But of course, that's nothing new coming from bigoted and intolerant Christians. *sigh*
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:06 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.


So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

If another theory comes along that disapproves evolution, can be tested via the scientific method, and has an incredible amount of evidence behind it, then maybe. However, I doubt this will happen.

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Postby Republic of Wreptzle » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:07 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:I agree the assignment should not have been given, but that is because questions about gods existence do not belong in a public school.

The article is a lie because the statements that the girl was told to renounce god or fail the test, are a lie. This was no issue of atheists verse god. The teacher is a christisn. RT has an agenda, and the story was written to fit the agenda of a godless america.


RT having a biased agenda? Tell me it ain't so! :p

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:08 pm

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Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.


It is if you've only been taught the Lamarckian model of genetics.


The Lamarckian model has been discredited. We Lamarck to thank for coining the term "biology", however

Italios wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.

:blush: I need to read more on evolution. Since I'm no master scientist, I can't explain how every littler thing in the world works, so I guess I'm wrong. American history is my home ground.

But I'm assuming since you explained it you believe in evolution?


I don't believe in it so much as I view it as the most logical and empirically-backed explanation for the creation of species.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:08 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:I do my best, but sometimes my naughty side gets the better of me. :blush:


I can, but, most likely, the site is from an unreliable source. Can you handle that? :p


RationalWiki, while entertaining and it is quite compelling, is also an unreliable source.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:08 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:I do my best, but sometimes my naughty side gets the better of me. :blush:


I can, but, most likely, the site is from an unreliable source. Can you handle that? :p

There are pages upon pages of proof. One of them has to be reliable.

Seriously, you're just stalling. Soon enough you'll come across a Harvard Professor or mainstream newspaper (thanks, Chessy, for the idea! :p ) who says religion is completely fake and evolution is right. Until then, godspeed, Gim.
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:08 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
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So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

If another theory comes along that disapproves evolution, can be tested via the scientific method, and has an incredible amount of evidence behind it, then maybe. However, I doubt this will happen.


Disproves*

Also, I'm not saying, because there may be a way to falsify evolution, the theory is not likely to dissolve from being a widespread theory. The falsification methods, however, are even in books about evolution. Perhaps, they added it, since they know evolution cannot be easily refuted.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:09 pm

Italios wrote:
Eastern Equestria wrote:
Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.

:blush: I need to read more on evolution. Since I'm no master scientist, I can't explain how every littler thing in the world works, so I guess I'm wrong. American history is my home ground.

But I'm assuming since you explained it you believe in evolution?


I don't believe in it so much as I view it as the most logical and empirically-backed explanation for the creation of species.[/quote]
Misworded, apologies.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:09 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:I'm appalled from the reaction of everybody in this thread. How would you react if this had happenwd to a religion that was not Christianity? But ten again, who I was I to expect fairness to Christians from the left wing?

I bet if it was an atheist kid who was forced to write a paper saying that a Christian God exists and is the only true thing, you would be perfectly alright with it. But of course, that's not new coming from bigoted and intolerant Christians. *sigh*

These kinds of people never cease to anger me. I myself am a pretty tolerant Christian, but it angers me to see people who claim to follow Christ, but act in a manner that He would be opposed to (such as by being intolerant).

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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:10 pm

Italios wrote:
Gim wrote:
I can, but, most likely, the site is from an unreliable source. Can you handle that? :p

There are pages upon pages of proof. One of them has to be reliable.

Seriously, you're just stalling. Soon enough you'll come across a Harvard Professor or mainstream newspaper (thanks, Chessy, for the idea! :p ) who says religion is completely fake and evolution is right. Until then, godspeed, Gim.


Stalling? I don't believe you, but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, so okay. :)
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:10 pm

Republic of Wreptzle wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I agree the assignment should not have been given, but that is because questions about gods existence do not belong in a public school.

The article is a lie because the statements that the girl was told to renounce god or fail the test, are a lie. This was no issue of atheists verse god. The teacher is a christisn. RT has an agenda, and the story was written to fit the agenda of a godless america.


RT having a biased agenda? Tell me it ain't so! :p

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Are we just going to keep whining about evolution while we ignore the real crime here? Just look at the image of the assignment!
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Anyone who uses Comic Sans should be burned at the stake!


As someone who wears glasses I have to say #8 is most definitely a fact :p

Nah, I kid.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:13 pm

The Texan Union wrote:Dear Atheists, Christians, and Agnostics about to argue below:

It doesn't matter whether or not God is real. This is not about God. This is about a teacher forcing their religious views upon impressionable children. They should be fired, and never allowed to teach again.

Before the ignorant people come to me saying "Oh, but Atheism isn't a religion!". Yes it is.


Stopped reading right here.
Whomever wrote this shit is either completely and blissfully ignorant about the meaning of words, or is lying through his or her teeth.

Either way, his or her words on the subject have absolutely no meaning.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:14 pm

Gim wrote:
Italios wrote:There are pages upon pages of proof. One of them has to be reliable.

Seriously, you're just stalling. Soon enough you'll come across a Harvard Professor or mainstream newspaper (thanks, Chessy, for the idea! :p ) who says religion is completely fake and evolution is right. Until then, godspeed, Gim.


Stalling? I don't believe you, but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, so okay. :)

Yeah, stalling. Should I say it any louder? There are 10 pages of links on the phrase I searched. Click on one. A website doesn't need to be glitzy and shiny to be reliable.
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Postby Brandenbourg-Anhalt » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:14 pm

Gim wrote:Stalling? I don't believe you, but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, so okay. :)

Yes they are but they are not entitled to degrade all those who are non-theist, like The Texan Union does in his OP to this thread :mad:
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:14 pm

Risottia wrote:
The Texan Union wrote:Dear Atheists, Christians, and Agnostics about to argue below:

It doesn't matter whether or not God is real. This is not about God. This is about a teacher forcing their religious views upon impressionable children. They should be fired, and never allowed to teach again.

Before the ignorant people come to me saying "Oh, but Atheism isn't a religion!". Yes it is.

Stopped reading right here.
Whomever wrote this shit is either completely and blissfully ignorant about the meaning of words, or is lying through his or her teeth.

Either way, his or her words on the subject have absolutely no meaning.

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:15 pm

Republic of Wreptzle wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I agree the assignment should not have been given, but that is because questions about gods existence do not belong in a public school.

The article is a lie because the statements that the girl was told to renounce god or fail the test, are a lie. This was no issue of atheists verse god. The teacher is a christisn. RT has an agenda, and the story was written to fit the agenda of a godless america.


RT having a biased agenda? Tell me it ain't so! :p

------------ -------------- ------------

Are we just going to keep whining about evolution while we ignore the real crime here? Just look at the image of the assignment!
Image

Image

Anyone who uses Comic Sans should be burned at the stake!


While I'd agree that public schools shouldn't be proselytizing one way or another when it comes to religion, I don't see the problem with that assignment. It's teaching kids to think critically.

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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:15 pm

Risottia wrote:
The Texan Union wrote:Dear Atheists, Christians, and Agnostics about to argue below:

It doesn't matter whether or not God is real. This is not about God. This is about a teacher forcing their religious views upon impressionable children. They should be fired, and never allowed to teach again.

Before the ignorant people come to me saying "Oh, but Atheism isn't a religion!". Yes it is.


Stopped reading right here.
Whomever wrote this shit is either completely and blissfully ignorant about the meaning of words, or is lying through his or her teeth.

Either way, his or her words on the subject have absolutely no meaning.

I thought atheism wasn't a religion because the whole point was atheists don't want to be part of one?! I thought they were simply a set of beliefs, as one believes the Mets are better than the Royals.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:17 pm

Italios wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Stopped reading right here.
Whomever wrote this shit is either completely and blissfully ignorant about the meaning of words, or is lying through his or her teeth.

Either way, his or her words on the subject have absolutely no meaning.

I thought atheism wasn't a religion because the whole point was atheists don't want to be part of one?! I thought they were simply a set of beliefs, as one believes the Mets are better than the Royals.

I'm pretty sure atheism is the lack of belief in any deity. Atheists don't "believe" in anything.

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:17 pm

Brandenbourg-Anhalt wrote:
Gim wrote:Stalling? I don't believe you, but everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, so okay. :)

Yes they are but they are not entitled to degrade all those who are non-theist, like The Texan Union does in his OP to this thread :mad:


While yes he is biased I didn't find a speck of degrading of non-theists.
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