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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:54 pm

Republic of Wreptzle wrote:I'm not sure why you think the RT article was a lie. I can agree that the girl's statement was heavily biased and one sided (as can be expected). I think we can also both agree that the news blew the story way out of proportion (as can be expected). But to say that the entire story was made up? Now that's different. No amount of news exaggeration or 12-year-old sass changes the fact that the assignment in question was objectionable and that the teacher was wrong to have given it to the class, credit or no credit.

How the fuck do you get off saying the teacher was in the wrong giving her pupils a basic critical thinking exercise?
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Republic of Wreptzle wrote:I'm not sure why you think the RT article was a lie.


...we are talking about the same RT here, right?
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Australian Republic wrote:I'm appalled from the reaction of everybody in this thread. How would you react if this had happenwd to a religion that was not Christianity? But ten again, who I was I to expect fairness to Christians from the left wing?

I'm 100% okay with people being taught critical thinking regardless of what their religion is.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:55 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Yes, we do. The scientific definition of "theory" is very different than the mainstream version. A scientific theory has evidence behind it. You can literally type in "evolution" on Google and find hundreds, if not thousands of research papers and other articles providing evidence for evolution.


There are still ways to falsify evolution, though.

Do so then.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:55 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Yes, we do.

Evolution is neither. It's a phenomenon.

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Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.

Not sure if this is the answer for what you're asking, but a simple response is adaption. A deer lives in a warm climate and has thin fur, but food runs out so it and its family move north. Since it's colder, over the years the coat of fur grows thicker.

The deer has gone through some evolution.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:56 pm

Australian Republic wrote:I'm appalled from the reaction of everybody in this thread. How would you react if this had happenwd to a religion that was not Christianity? But ten again, who I was I to expect fairness to Christians from the left wing?


I'm okay with holding every religion to the same ground as my own.

Yes, I, as a Christian, see no issues with my belief in God being just that, a belief. Shocking ain't it?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:56 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Yes, we do. The scientific definition of "theory" is very different than the mainstream version. A scientific theory has evidence behind it. You can literally type in "evolution" on Google and find hundreds, if not thousands of research papers and other articles providing evidence for evolution.


There are still ways to falsify evolution, though.

Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.

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There are still ways to falsify evolution, though.

Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.


So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 pm

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Italios wrote:Same with religion.


Doesn't make the theory of evolution true in all senses.

The Theory of Evolution via Natural Selection is true.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.


So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p


The question you have not answered is, how would anyone go about falsifying evolution?
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 pm

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Soldati senza confini wrote:
Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.

Not sure if this is the answer for what you're asking, but a simple response is adaption. A deer lives in a warm climate and has thin fur, but food runs out so it and its family move north. Since it's colder, over the years the coat of fur grows thicker.

The deer has gone through some evolution.


Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.

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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 pm

Australian Republic wrote:I'm appalled from the reaction of everybody in this thread. How would you react if this had happenwd to a religion that was not Christianity? But ten again, who I was I to expect fairness to Christians from the left wing?

So when you argue your point it's okay.

When we do, it's unfair.

We're trying to stay unbiased here, but since a lot of you anti-evolution people seem oblivious to reality, we're trying to explain it. Sorry if we're not God's Poster Child of Goodness.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.

Yes, there are scientists skeptical about natural selection's ability to mold adaptations from mutations of certain traits.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:58 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.

So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

Pretty cocky there, aren't ya? Go ahead then. Do it. Falsify evolution. Prove thousands of highly-educated scientists and over a century's worth of documented evidence wrong.
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Postby Republic of Wreptzle » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.


The specific theorize behind evolution do see a fair amount of change over time as we learn more about genetics, nature, etc, but the general concept of Evolution has remained mostly the same since darwin.

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Postby Godular » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:58 pm

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Italios wrote:Same with religion.


Doesn't make the theory of evolution true in all senses.


Please, present evidence that runs contrary to the theory of evolution, using independently verifiable observations, and keeping all prior observations in mind. Do this thing and I'll attend your nobel award speech.

Falsifiable just means that there are ways to prove an assertion incorrect. Such does not mean: IS FALSE.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:59 pm

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Italios wrote:Not sure if this is the answer for what you're asking, but a simple response is adaption. A deer lives in a warm climate and has thin fur, but food runs out so it and its family move north. Since it's colder, over the years the coat of fur grows thicker.

The deer has gone through some evolution.


Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.


It is if you've only been taught the Lamarckian model of genetics.
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The Orson Empire wrote:Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.


So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

What the everloving fuck does that phrase even mean?
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:59 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p


The question you have not answered is, how would anyone go about falsifying evolution?


Sorry, I thought this was pretty obvious.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:59 pm

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Seriously?

"District officials [said] that the 12-year-old girl's story is not the same one that other students told officials. They also say that the other students claim this reading teacher did not say there was not a God during an assignment in class. The district said they interviewed eight of the 22 students who were in that same classroom.

A reading teacher passed out a critical thinking worksheet in class. Students were instructed to pick if something was fact, opinion or common assertion. One of the statements on the worksheet read, "There is a God."

Jordan Wooley, 12, and her mother Chantel spoke in front of the Katy ISD school board to complain that the teacher told students that God is a myth and questioned his existence.

Katy ISD Superintendent Alton Frailey said, "In the investigation those assertions were not corroborated by the other students. Was the activity graded? It was not graded. Was it 40 percent of their grade? Were the students told they had to deny God? No one corroborated that, at all."

Do you need us to bold the parts where this shows the original article a lie for you?


I'm not sure why you think the RT article was a lie. I can agree that the girl's statement was heavily biased and one sided (as can be expected). I think we can also both agree that the news blew the story way out of proportion (as can be expected). But to say that the entire story was made up? Now that's different. No amount of news exaggeration or 12-year-old sass changes the fact that the assignment in question was objectionable and that the teacher was wrong to have given it to the class, credit or no credit.


I agree the assignment should not have been given, but that is because questions about gods existence do not belong in a public school.

The article is a lie because the statements that the girl was told to renounce god or fail the test, are a lie. This was no issue of atheists verse god. The teacher is a christisn. RT has an agenda, and the story was written to fit the agenda of a godless america.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:59 pm

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Italios wrote:Not sure if this is the answer for what you're asking, but a simple response is adaption. A deer lives in a warm climate and has thin fur, but food runs out so it and its family move north. Since it's colder, over the years the coat of fur grows thicker.

The deer has gone through some evolution.


Nope. Not how evolution works.

Evolution is natural selection acting upon the variations within a species.

:blush: I need to read more on evolution. Since I'm no master scientist, I can't explain how every littler thing in the world works, so I guess I'm wrong. American history is my home ground.

But I'm assuming since you explained it you believe in evolution?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:00 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Yes, we do.

Evolution is neither. It's a phenomenon.

Image

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Wait, I need to ask. We know evolution happens, but does anyone within the scientific community has qualms about how the theory of evolution explains how evolution actually happens?

This is just personal curiosity, of course, that just came to my head. Not to hurt your argument or anything.

Natural Selection, influence by the environment encourages certain traits as advantageous, eventually resulting in a split into a separate species.

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Postby Hirota » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:00 pm

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Republic of Wreptzle wrote:I'm not sure why you think the RT article was a lie.


...we are talking about the same RT here, right?
Lets not get wound up over the specific source. Plenty of western media has said the exact same information. The fact that same information is incorrect on RT and western media is more important.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:01 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:Dude, seriously....please educate yourself about evolution, rather than just remaining willfully ignorant. Go search up an actual research paper and see for yourself why it is true.


So, you're saying there isn't a way to falsify evolution? Really, man? :p

You can't falsify something that is already true.
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Postby Italios » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:02 pm

Gim wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
The question you have not answered is, how would anyone go about falsifying evolution?


Sorry, I thought this was pretty obvious.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Falsifiabi ... _evolution

Search "religion is wrong/false/fake/made up/unreliable/any other variation". Go ahead, I dare you.
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