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Onukara wrote:American schools teach that we lost the war in Vietnam. It was a crushing defeat, since this big world superpower got it's ass kicked by such a tiny and poor nation. We lost, big time.


Yeah, I heard what I said from one of my high school teachers, so I'm assuming the likelihood of that being true is not that high. :p
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The Wolven League wrote:As a one-time event, this is most certainly not proof of the flawed American education system, as some have probably leapt to stating. Although I'm definitely not saying that the American education system isn't flawed.


It's just that one teacher, I know, but American educational system leans towards America bias, since they think Vietnam War is actually a tie between the U.S. and Vietnam.

Leans? It's flat-out indoctrination. In school, every other year, social studies is entirely focused on American history; we spend a month each on other cultures and then a good five years on every little detail of America. Not to mention the Pledge of Alleigance. That is fucking brainwashing.
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This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...
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It's just that one teacher, I know, but American educational system leans towards America bias, since they think Vietnam War is actually a tie between the U.S. and Vietnam.

Leans? It's flat-out indoctrination. In school, every other year, social studies is entirely focused on American history; we spend a month on other cultures and then a good five years on every little detail of America. Not to mention the Pledge of Alleigance. That is fucking brainwashing.


I mean, the fact that they are focusing on teaching their students the history of their own nation is not that biased. Every student in America should be able to know their history. It's about cultural and national representation, but teaching them false information is indoctrination.
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Onukara wrote:American schools teach that we lost the war in Vietnam. It was a crushing defeat, since this big world superpower got it's ass kicked by such a tiny and poor nation. We lost, big time.

Definitely, but this is getting off-topic.
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Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...

One teacher makes a kid say god isn't real=oppression.

Christians are being oppressed my ass.
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Postby The Wolven League » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:18 pm

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The Wolven League wrote:Leans? It's flat-out indoctrination. In school, every other year, social studies is entirely focused on American history; we spend a month on other cultures and then a good five years on every little detail of America. Not to mention the Pledge of Alleigance. That is fucking brainwashing.


I mean, the fact that they are focusing on teaching their students the history of their own nation is not that biased. Every student in America should be able to know their history. It's about cultural and national representation, but teaching them false information is indoctrination.

Yeah, but every other year? And the same thing each year?
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:19 pm

Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...


Christians are trained to enjoy oppression and even persecution, so they'll fare well, and, in the end, they will be rewarded for their passive resistance and fortitude.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:19 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...

One teacher makes a kid say god isn't real=oppression.

Christians are being oppressed my ass.


As has been repeatedly shown throughout the thread that isn't even what happened, a bunch of idiots just blew this out of proportion like usual.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:20 pm

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The Wolven League wrote:Leans? It's flat-out indoctrination. In school, every other year, social studies is entirely focused on American history; we spend a month on other cultures and then a good five years on every little detail of America. Not to mention the Pledge of Alleigance. That is fucking brainwashing.


I mean, the fact that they are focusing on teaching their students the history of their own nation is not that biased. Every student in America should be able to know their history. It's about cultural and national representation, but teaching them false information is indoctrination.


They don't really do a great job of teaching US history, though, even after all the time they spend on it. You can tell by all the Confederate apologists who think the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:21 pm

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Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...

One teacher makes a kid say god isn't real=oppression.


The teacher didn't even do that.
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:21 pm

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I mean, the fact that they are focusing on teaching their students the history of their own nation is not that biased. Every student in America should be able to know their history. It's about cultural and national representation, but teaching them false information is indoctrination.


They don't really do a great job of teaching US history, though, even after all the time they spend on it. You can tell by all the Confederate apologists who think the Civil War wasn't about slavery.


Then, that's indoctrination, if not fabrication.
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Postby The Wolven League » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:22 pm

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Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...


Christians are trained to enjoy oppression and even persecution, so they'll fare well, and, in the end, they will be rewarded for their passive resistance and fortitude.

This seems very subservient to say for someone who is themselves Christian.

And I myself am sort of Muslim, but really? Tolerating oppression-which is miniscule in the US in comparison to Christians oppressing other religions-out of belief that you'll be rewarded when you die? Seriously? You'd let your life be shit and just hope you'll go to an afterlife which you can't prove 100% exists?
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:23 pm

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Christians are trained to enjoy oppression and even persecution, so they'll fare well, and, in the end, they will be rewarded for their passive resistance and fortitude.

This seems very subservient to say for someone who is themselves Christian.

And I myself am sort of Muslim, but really? Tolerating oppression-which is miniscule in the US in comparison to Christians oppressing other religions-out of belief that you'll be rewarded when you die? Seriously? You'd let your life be shit and just hope you'll go to an afterlife which you can't prove 100% exists?


I'm not supporting oppression for the Christians. I'm just saying that they have the willpower to overcome it, if they are faced with one. Also, the magnitude of oppression is normally not that high, considering coping with everyday stress can be considered mental oppression.
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Postby The Wolven League » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:24 pm

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The Wolven League wrote:This seems very subservient to say for someone who is themselves Christian.

And I myself am sort of Muslim, but really? Tolerating oppression-which is miniscule in the US in comparison to Christians oppressing other religions-out of belief that you'll be rewarded when you die? Seriously? You'd let your life be shit and just hope you'll go to an afterlife which you can't prove 100% exists?


I'm not supporting oppression for the Christians. I'm just saying that they have the willpower to overcome it, if they are faced with one. Also, the magnitude of oppression is normally not that high, considering coping with everyday stress can be considered mental oppression.

Yes, because your average Muslim, Sikh, or Hindu definitely is going to receive a warm welcome by the Bible belt of America.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:26 pm

Onukara wrote:Teachers should not force religious beliefs on students, no matter what those beliefs are.

A Christian teacher should not force Christianity. An atheist teacher should not force atheism.

What does this have to do with the story?
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Postby Othelos » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:26 pm

Gim wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:This seems very subservient to say for someone who is themselves Christian.

And I myself am sort of Muslim, but really? Tolerating oppression-which is miniscule in the US in comparison to Christians oppressing other religions-out of belief that you'll be rewarded when you die? Seriously? You'd let your life be shit and just hope you'll go to an afterlife which you can't prove 100% exists?


I'm not supporting oppression for the Christians. I'm just saying that they have the willpower to overcome it, if they are faced with one. Also, the magnitude of oppression is normally not that high, considering coping with everyday stress can be considered mental oppression.

Christians aren't oppressed in the US. Many of them just feel entitled to the point where it's offensive to them that society and facts won't warp to their views.
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Onukara wrote:Teachers should not force religious beliefs on students, no matter what those beliefs are.

A Christian teacher should not force Christianity. An atheist teacher should not force atheism.

What does this have to do with the story?

"Told to write that God is fake" is probably all he read when he posted that. Though I admit it is someone related to the story.
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Postby Gim » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:27 pm

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I'm not supporting oppression for the Christians. I'm just saying that they have the willpower to overcome it, if they are faced with one. Also, the magnitude of oppression is normally not that high, considering coping with everyday stress can be considered mental oppression.

Christians aren't oppressed in the US. Many of them just feel entitled to the point where it's offensive to them that society and facts won't warp to their views.


No, there are actually atheists and cults that oppress them physically and mentally, hence the incident in the OP.
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That didn't happen.


According to the snopes article, it did.

You clearly read a different snopes article.
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I'm not supporting oppression for the Christians. I'm just saying that they have the willpower to overcome it, if they are faced with one. Also, the magnitude of oppression is normally not that high, considering coping with everyday stress can be considered mental oppression.

Christians aren't oppressed in the US. Many of them just feel entitled to the point where it's offensive to them that society and facts won't warp to their views.

Yep, this 100%. Saying Christians are oppressed in a dominantly Christian society is laughable.
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That didn't happen.


According to the snopes article, it did.


No, you're misreading it.
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Othelos wrote:Christians aren't oppressed in the US. Many of them just feel entitled to the point where it's offensive to them that society and facts won't warp to their views.


No, there are actually atheists and cults that oppress them physically and mentally, hence the incident in the OP.

atheists and cults are like 3% of the population, christians are 70%. please.
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Gim wrote:
Othelos wrote:Christians aren't oppressed in the US. Many of them just feel entitled to the point where it's offensive to them that society and facts won't warp to their views.


No, there are actually atheists and cults that oppress them physically and mentally, hence the incident in the OP.

Which, again, is miniscule in comparison to the shit eastern religions receive from Christians.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:29 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Kauthar wrote:This is continued proof that Christians are being oppressed in America...

One teacher makes a kid say god isn't real=oppression.

Didn't happen.
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