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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:05 am

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Ethel mermania wrote:No it doesnt, God or the lack thereof does not belong in a public school lesson.

...we can't teach about the existence of religion in school now? That's going to leave some big fucking gaps in world history.

Difference between the existence of religion and teaching about the nonexistence of God.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:06 am

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Dyakovo wrote:That isn't what the teacher did.

I was under the impression that it was for a grade. Either way, it was wrong and should never have been a lesson.

She was teaching them critical thinking. Which is arguably more important than most things taught in schools. There is no reason why this should be wrong or never should have been a lesson.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:06 am

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Actually, yes, it does. That's exactly what it means. That's the point.

No it doesnt, God or the lack thereof does not belong in a public school lesson.

Agreed.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:06 am

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Dyakovo wrote:That isn't what the teacher did.

I was under the impression that it was for a grade. Either way, it was wrong and should never have been a lesson.

We shouldn't teach children the difference between facts and opinions? Sounds pretty Texas.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:08 am

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...we can't teach about the existence of religion in school now? That's going to leave some big fucking gaps in world history.

Difference between the existence of religion and teaching about the nonexistence of God.

But what does this have to do with the teacher's critical thinking exercise? What, exactly, is objectionable about it?
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:08 am

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Jamzmania wrote:I was under the impression that it was for a grade. Either way, it was wrong and should never have been a lesson.

Unsurprisingly, you were under a false impression.

It was not wrong. It was an objectively true statement. There was nothing inappropriate about this exercise.

Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:08 am

I still maintain that most of you reacting to this with outrage wouldn't be singing from the same hymn sheet of the teacher had been "forcing" and "coercing" them to state that God is real.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:09 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Unsurprisingly, you were under a false impression.

It was not wrong. It was an objectively true statement. There was nothing inappropriate about this exercise.

Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.

I'm not sure who in the hell said that, but it is an objectively true statement to say that the concept of God is a myth.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:10 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.

I'm not sure who in the hell said that, but it is an objectively true statement to say that the concept of God is a myth.

The teacher said that.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:10 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:That isn't what the teacher did.

I was under the impression that it was for a grade. Either way, it was wrong and should never have been a lesson.

Whether or not it was graded is completely irrelevant to my statement.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:12 am

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I'm not sure who in the hell said that, but it is an objectively true statement to say that the concept of God is a myth.

The teacher said that.


A reading teacher passed out a critical thinking worksheet in class. Students were instructed to pick if something was fact, opinion or common assertion
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Katy ISD says the teacher explained that a commonplace assertion exists when there is room for debate.

Doesn't sound like it to me.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:12 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I'm not sure who in the hell said that, but it is an objectively true statement to say that the concept of God is a myth.

The teacher said that.

The teacher said "fact or opinion would be wrong?" When? And in what circumstance? What are you even talking about?
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:12 am

Vassenor wrote:I still maintain that most of you reacting to this with outrage wouldn't be singing from the same hymn sheet of the teacher had been "forcing" and "coercing" them to state that God is real.

I mean, this teacher did nothing wrong, so...

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Unsurprisingly, you were under a false impression.

It was not wrong. It was an objectively true statement. There was nothing inappropriate about this exercise.

Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.

God is objectively a myth. Myths are neither true nor false.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:13 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:I was under the impression that it was for a grade. Either way, it was wrong and should never have been a lesson.

Whether or not it was graded is completely irrelevant to my statement.

Everyone understands myths to be untrue. No one speaks of myths as if they actually believe them. To say that God is a myth would heavily imply, if not outright state, that God is not real.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:13 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Unsurprisingly, you were under a false impression.

It was not wrong. It was an objectively true statement. There was nothing inappropriate about this exercise.

Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.

No, it isn't. Well, okay, "opinion" would also be an accurate answer...
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Postby TestIsland » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:14 am

Meh. I've been forced to write much worse shit by a lot of teachers, a lot of which was demonstrably incorrect.

I think I can remember some bad offenders:

"With love and respect"--in a letter to a politician the teacher supported.
"Masturbation causes STDs"--Health teacher
"Antarctica is a continent floats in the Antarctic ocean"--Substitute geography teacher

Yes, these were things that I knew to be false, that were also strongly against my beliefs. They were also absolutely, undeniably false. Yet, I was forced to write them down.

God being or not being fake is not empirically demonstrable. Whatever way the emotions run, I have no problems with the teacher teaching as she felt correct in this regard.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:14 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Whether or not it was graded is completely irrelevant to my statement.

Everyone understands myths to be untrue. No one speaks of myths as if they actually believe them. To say that God is a myth would heavily imply, if not outright state, that God is not real.

Nope.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:15 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:The teacher said that.

The teacher said "fact or opinion would be wrong?" When? And in what circumstance? What are you even talking about?

It's in the article. The student told the board that that was what the teacher said.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:15 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Whether or not it was graded is completely irrelevant to my statement.

Everyone understands myths to be untrue.

Only if you haven't looked up the definitions of the word before.

Jamzmania wrote: No one speaks of myths as if they actually believe them. To say that God is a myth would heavily imply, if not outright state, that God is not real.

No, it only implies and states that it's a myth. Whether it refers to one definition or the other depends upon context. That's how language works.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:16 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:The teacher said "fact or opinion would be wrong?" When? And in what circumstance? What are you even talking about?

It's in the article. The student told the board that that was what the teacher said.

No, the teacher said that "God" was a commonplace assertion, or myth. Which is true. It's a critical thinking exercise that covered a wide range of topics, and was explained in detail by the teacher.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:17 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Condescending shittalking aside, it was not an objectively true statement to say that fact or opinion would be wrong.

No, it isn't. Well, okay, "opinion" would also be an accurate answer...

Unless you can prove that God is not real, it would not be demonstrably incorrect to say that God is real.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:17 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Whether or not it was graded is completely irrelevant to my statement.

Everyone understands myths to be untrue. No one speaks of myths as if they actually believe them. To say that God is a myth would heavily imply, if not outright state, that God is not real.

If you don't know what "myth" means, maybe. Perhaps you should call this teacher for a lesson on it?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:17 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:The teacher said "fact or opinion would be wrong?" When? And in what circumstance? What are you even talking about?

It's in the article. The student told the board that that was what the teacher said.


The article that has repeatedly been shown here to be factually inaccurate?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:18 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No, it isn't. Well, okay, "opinion" would also be an accurate answer...

Unless you can prove that God is not real, it would not be demonstrably incorrect to say that God is real.

No, it would just be an unsupported opinion based on a commonplace assertion/myth.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:18 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No, it isn't. Well, okay, "opinion" would also be an accurate answer...

Unless you can prove that God is not real, it would not be demonstrably incorrect to say that God is real.


"This is right because you can't prove it wrong" is not how logic works.
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