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Postby TERF » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:27 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???


The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:28 pm

TERF wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.

Maybe we should have guards in prisons or something. :roll:
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:29 pm

TERF wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


You apparently still don't understand that rape stats show parity between the genders. Or you do understand, and dont' care.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:29 pm

TERF wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


Pretty sure that men are capable of doing things other than raping women.
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Postby TERF » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
TERF wrote:
I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.

Maybe we should have guards in prisons or something. :roll:


According MRAs and the likes there's a lot of male-on-male rape within prisons.
I guess it would be worse, far worse, if such rapists would have women with them, within prisons.
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Postby East Catalina » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:30 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
TERF wrote:
I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???


The women are criminals too.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:
The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.

Male and female criminals in prisons for their own genders rape each other all the time. It would just change the gender of the victims, maybe a little bit. Instead of each one being 100% victims being the same gender as their attackers, perhaps it would be only 50% of the time that such occurs.
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Postby Valystria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:32 pm

TERF wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The women are criminals too.


I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.

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Postby Val Halla » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:34 pm

Valystria wrote:
TERF wrote:
I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.

She supports death penalty for rapists and guilty until proven innocent for them. Soooo...
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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:35 pm

Valystria wrote:
TERF wrote:
I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


It's Chess, I honestly wouldn't bother, you'd have better luck arguing against a door knob. As far as the woman, regardless if people don't believe Trans exists or not, the risk for rape or some form of sexual assault will be quite higher with her. Something needs to be done to remedy the issue.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:36 pm

Valystria wrote:
TERF wrote:
I know.
But women who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison AND being raped all days.
And men who are criminals deserve to be punished spending time within a prison, NOT being punished spending time within a prison BUT enjoying raping women all days.


Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


When did feminism stop being about the fight for gender equality and instead turn into people screaming about how if a man looks at a woman for a fraction of a second he's raped her?
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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


When did feminism stop being about the fight for gender equality and instead turn into people screaming about how if a man looks at a woman for a fraction of a second he's raped her?


The Feminist Movement in the last five years... Or well, the rise of the RadFems. Glares at Social Media
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Postby Valystria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:40 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.

She supports death penalty for rapists and guilty until proven innocent for them. Soooo...

She's already made it clear she views presumption of innocence as an inconvenient obstacle to her utopia of kangaroo courts run by panels of racially diverse female magistrates.

Geanna wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


It's Chess, I honestly wouldn't bother, you'd have better luck arguing against a door knob.

Door knobs don't constantly promote rape scaremongering and sexism.

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Postby Valystria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


When did feminism stop being about the fight for gender equality and instead turn into people screaming about how if a man looks at a woman for a fraction of a second he's raped her?

It's always been like that.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Rangila wrote:And?


You think it's OK to put prisoners in an institution where they are going to suffer physical abuse and possibly homicide because of a factor beyond their control?


You think that prisoners don't attack and kill each other already? How big is the rock you're living under?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Valystria wrote:
Do you ever stop rape scaremongering?

Women rape women. Men rape men.

Criminals don't deserve to be punished. They deserve to be rehabilitated. It's clear you have no interest in rehabilitation or preventing rape. All you care for is making sure sexism remains the pillar of state policies.


When did feminism stop being about the fight for gender equality and instead turn into people screaming about how if a man looks at a woman for a fraction of a second he's raped her?


It's never been about gender equality.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:42 pm

Geanna wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
When did feminism stop being about the fight for gender equality and instead turn into people screaming about how if a man looks at a woman for a fraction of a second he's raped her?


The Feminist Movement in the last five years... Or well, the rise of the RadFems. Glares at Social Media


Social Media / "Fourth Wave" feminism isn't the same as conventional RadFem though. RadFem just advocates for the need for radical change to bring about gender equality. Not the "kill all men" misandry you see on tumblr.
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Postby The Texan Union » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:42 pm

My God, they sent a criminal to prison! What is wrong with them? :o

In all seriousness, they should of kept her in a separate cell until they found a better way to deal with the situation. If physical harm occurs, the officer in charge should be charged. This was a press field-day just waiting to happen.
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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:43 pm

Valystria wrote:
Val Halla wrote:She supports death penalty for rapists and guilty until proven innocent for them. Soooo...

She's already made it clear she views presumption of innocence as an inconvenient obstacle to her utopia of kangaroo courts run by panels of racially diverse female magistrates.

Geanna wrote:
It's Chess, I honestly wouldn't bother, you'd have better luck arguing against a door knob.

Door knobs don't constantly promote rape scaremongering and sexism.


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Postby Val Halla » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:44 pm

Valystria wrote:
Val Halla wrote:She supports death penalty for rapists and guilty until proven innocent for them. Soooo...

She's already made it clear she views presumption of innocence as an inconvenient obstacle to her utopia of kangaroo courts run by panels of racially diverse female magistrates.

Geanna wrote:
It's Chess, I honestly wouldn't bother, you'd have better luck arguing against a door knob.

Door knobs don't constantly promote rape scaremongering and sexism.

I could just accuse someone of rape and they'd be killed. It's an awful system.

But the thread, this lady is in great gender.
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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Geanna wrote:
The Feminist Movement in the last five years... Or well, the rise of the RadFems. Glares at Social Media


Social Media / "Fourth Wave" feminism isn't the same as conventional RadFem though. RadFem just advocates for the need for radical change to bring about gender equality. Not the "kill all men" misandry you see on tumblr.


On the one hand, Social Media is amazing because it gives people a voice. On the other hand, Social Media is awful because it gives people a voice.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:46 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Harisistan wrote:it's like tumblr 2.0... except less suicidal teenagers... and crazy otherkins and headmates.

Personally I am disappointed by NSG's lack of furry porn.

Agreed. Moar yiffing!
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Postby The Texan Union » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:46 pm

Geanna wrote:On the one hand, Social Media is amazing because it gives people a voice. On the other hand, Social Media is awful because it gives people a voice.


Social Media only gives certain people a voice, others just get drowned out by the masses.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:47 pm

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Liriena wrote:Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

I think if a person was born with a penis, he is a male, if a person was born with a vagina, she is a female.

That's usually the case, but not always. There's exceptions. Namely, transgender people and certain rare chromosome combinations.
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Postby Valystria » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:47 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Geanna wrote:
The Feminist Movement in the last five years... Or well, the rise of the RadFems. Glares at Social Media


Social Media / "Fourth Wave" feminism isn't the same as conventional RadFem though. RadFem just advocates for the need for radical change to bring about gender equality. Not the "kill all men" wizardry you see on tumblr.

No, it's more like "hunt down all transwomen and make sure men's inequalities are forever ignored."

Geanna wrote:
Valystria wrote:She's already made it clear she views presumption of innocence as an inconvenient obstacle to her utopia of kangaroo courts run by panels of racially diverse female magistrates.


Door knobs don't constantly promote rape scaremongering and sexism.


Then you understood me.

Indeed, and it's why when someone like Chessmistress spreads counterproductive beliefs it's perhaps important that it doesn't go unopposed. There are too many people who are of the same mindset as her.

The Texan Union wrote:My God, they sent a criminal to prison! What is wrong with them? :o

In all seriousness, they should of kept her in a separate cell until they found a better way to deal with the situation. If physical harm occurs, the officer in charge should be charged. This was a press field-day just waiting to happen.

No, they shouldn't have sent her to a men's prison at all.

The court used a malicious technicality to sent her to the men's prison. It appears she had all her documents in order with the gender updated but the passport had been the lone document not yet updated. That is what the court pounced on.

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Postby Geanna » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:49 pm

The Texan Union wrote:
Geanna wrote:On the one hand, Social Media is amazing because it gives people a voice. On the other hand, Social Media is awful because it gives people a voice.


Social Media only gives certain people a voice, others just get drowned out by the masses.


The exposure you gain from posting up your opinion online is exceptionally higher than real life. So it really depends, though I digress, we're off-topic now :P
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