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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
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Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.


Because people have it in their heads that whatever hardware you shipped with should dictate your entire life, regardless of what the software actually says.
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Postby Harisistan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:58 pm

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Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.


Huhh what? There's a dude stapled between her legs? How'd he get there?!

dude, he has a well, he's so dick a
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:59 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.

What if it's a trans man called Richard?

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:59 pm

Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.

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Postby Val Halla » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Huhh what? There's a dude stapled between her legs? How'd he get there?!

dude, he has a well, he's so dick a

You do realise that deliberate misgendering is against the rules, I hope...
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Postby Harisistan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.

What if it's a trans man called Richard?

Liriena wrote:Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...

I have nothing against gay, lesbians or bisexuals. Just trans people. I don't understand how you can feel like you're not what you are.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:00 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dude, so he's a dick.

What if it's a trans man called Richard?

Liriena wrote:Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...


*insert spiel about vocal homophobia being an indicator for closet homosexuality here*
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:03 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:What if it's a trans man called Richard?


Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...

I have nothing against gay, lesbians or bisexuals. Just trans people. I don't understand how you can feel like you're not what you are.


Simple. I am a woman. I don't "feel" like one.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.

Penises are inherently funny, but I don't think that's it, somehow.
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Postby Harisistan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:03 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Harisistan wrote:dude, he has a well, he's so dick a

You do realise that deliberate misgendering is against the rules, I hope...

it's like tumblr 2.0... except less suicidal teenagers... and crazy otherkins and headmates.
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Postby Val Halla » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:04 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:What if it's a trans man called Richard?


Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...

I have nothing against gay, lesbians or bisexuals. Just trans people. I don't understand how you can feel like you're not what you are.

No no no. I don't look like what I am.

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Val Halla wrote:You do realise that deliberate misgendering is against the rules, I hope...

it's like tumblr 2.0... except less suicidal teenagers... and crazy otherkins and headmates.

Personally I am disappointed by NSG's lack of furry porn.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Harisistan wrote:I have nothing against gay, lesbians or bisexuals. Just trans people. I don't understand how you can feel like you're not what you are.


Simple. I am a woman. I don't "feel" like one.

*Feels* You feel like one to me though
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:You do realise that deliberate misgendering is against the rules, I hope...

it's like tumblr 2.0... except less suicidal teenagers... and crazy otherkins and headmates.


So being expected to treat other users as human beings makes us a tumblr clone?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:Penises are inherently funny, but I don't think that's it, somehow.


It's true. Penises are inherently funny.




I showed mine to a girl last week, she couldn't stop laughing :p
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Postby Mairland » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Mairland wrote:I am not a transphobic.

It is called orderly government.

And exactly what purpose does the government being so unflinchingly orderly serve here? Who benefits from having someone who medical professionals consider a woman in an all-male prison?

HM Prison Service clearly did not have the time or authority to redo all of the woman's papers to make her actually be a woman in the eyes of the law (passport, etc).
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:12 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Penises are inherently funny, but I don't think that's it, somehow.


It's true. Penises are inherently funny.




I showed mine to a girl last week, she couldn't stop laughing :p

And who can blame her? :P
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Postby TERF » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:17 pm

Faehig wrote:I thought the real problem was making distinctions between gender in the first place. End the fascistic practice of all-male prisons!


This is the worst idea I have ever read.
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Postby Talvezout » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:18 pm

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Faehig wrote:I thought the real problem was making distinctions between gender in the first place. End the fascistic practice of all-male prisons!


This is the worst idea I have ever read.


I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:18 pm

TERF wrote:
Faehig wrote:I thought the real problem was making distinctions between gender in the first place. End the fascistic practice of all-male prisons!


This is the worst idea I have ever read.


I thought feminists were in favour of ending gender-based treatment though.
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Postby TERF » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:
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This is the worst idea I have ever read.


I thought feminists were in favour of ending gender-based treatment though.


I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???
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Postby Stuffed stuffing » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Yet another spectacular failure to read the OP and a reliance on biological essentialism.

Also, what's with this obsession with trans women's penises? I'm violently pansexual, and even I don't spend that much time thinking about other people's genitals.


Instead choosing to spend your time fantasizing over kitchenware? :roll:

On a more serious note, is it really that much of a hassle to recognise that this is a problem and handle the necessary paperwork? >.>
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:23 pm

Harisistan wrote:
Val Halla wrote:What if it's a trans man called Richard?


Teehee~ One would suggest that the obsession with penises is excessive among the strong oppressors of LGBTQ+ rights... Almost... As if they are... Addicted... To penises...

I have nothing against gay, lesbians or bisexuals. Just trans people. I don't understand how you can feel like you're not what you are.

I occasionally get the same feeling with regards to homosexuality, but it doesn't affect my stance on the issue because I recognize the irrationality of that feeling and shove it off to the side.
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:23 pm

TERF wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I thought feminists were in favour of ending gender-based treatment though.


I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???

The women would be criminals too.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:23 pm

TERF wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I thought feminists were in favour of ending gender-based treatment though.


I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???

Where else should women who are criminals be? Unisex bathrooms?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:23 pm

TERF wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I thought feminists were in favour of ending gender-based treatment though.


I'm even against unisex bathrooms, where the vast majority of men wouldn't be criminals, why the hell I should approve an unisex prison where women would be together with men that are ALL criminals???


The women are criminals too.
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