English Prison System sends Transgender Woman to Male Prison

[Vassenor]

So you would say that because of a malformation of his brain we have to act as if that man is a woman, and he should be allowed to mutilate his body? You agree that a paedophile has a malformed or malfunctioning brain? Should we then allow paedophiles to act upon their desires? People think all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean that they should act upon it and the same applies to this so-called "trans-genderism".

Oh hey, the slippery slope argument again. Remember how people claim that same-sex marriage will cause rampant zoophilia? Same logic.

[Galloism]

Suppose you were to be kidnapped in the dead of night and had radical brain transplant surgery forced on you to turn you into the other sex, both chromosomally and physically.

Which is impossible, as far as I'm aware.

You'd still identify as the sex you currently are, right?

Yes, because I was born as a male.

I bet you'd feel pretty uncomfortable and such. That's sort of how it is for transpeople. Although this doesn't cover all transpeople, you should know that the brain development in the womb might be effected. I.E, they have a womans brain in a mans body and such. Scans of transpeople often show they have brains more similar to their identified gender than their physical one, and the human reproductive process is really flawed and full of errors. The brain develops separately from the genitalia and such. MOST of the time they match up. Sometimes not.

If everyone who feels "uncomfortable" for one reason or another would undergo surgeries and deceive the rest of the world into thinking that they are something which they in reality are not, all the money in the world would be spent on hospitals and we wouldn't have the money to buy bread. So you would say that because of a malformation of his brain we have to act as if that man is a woman, and he should be allowed to mutilate his body? You agree that a paedophile has a malformed or malfunctioning brain? Should we then allow paedophiles to act upon their desires? People think all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean that they should act upon it and the same applies to this so-called "trans-genderism".

Keep in mind, the transperson is harming no one else by getting sex reassignment surgery. No one is harmed in the making of that vagina.

This is a marked difference between sex reassignment surgery and paedophiles abusing children.

[New Benian Republic]

How often can I change it back and forth?

How often can you be arsed to fill out forms?

And I'm kidding of course.

Or are you?

You know what you're right I'm going to be a dragon.

[Mons Carmelus]

Keep in mind, the transperson is harming no one else by getting sex reassignment surgery. No one is harmed in the making of that vagina.

This is a marked difference between sex reassignment surgery and paedophiles abusing children.

Society is harmed. The person itself is harmed.

[Galloism]

Keep in mind, the transperson is harming no one else by getting sex reassignment surgery. No one is harmed in the making of that vagina.

This is a marked difference between sex reassignment surgery and paedophiles abusing children.

Society is harmed.

How?

The person itself is harmed.

How?

And, even if so, so what?

[USS Monitor]

Obvious solution, send people to the specific prison to whatever gender they claim to be. So send men who say they are women to women's prisons and women who claim to be men to men's prisons. This won't be abused in any way at all. Or just desegregate prisons, I dunno. Or people could stop being whiny shits.

Course, I don't want to pay some quack doctor to carve up my genitals. I rather quite like them, after all and, regardless of my perspective, doing so would be utterly stupid, so I'll skip that part. But hey, it doesn't matter what parts I have so long as I believe hard enough that I'm a girl, right?

Given his...surgically-granted assets...they should probably keep him away from the others prisoners. They 'get along' fine with each other as is, no need to add someone with a backwards penis to the mix.

She didn't just claim to be a woman. She also had several years of HRT.

[Imperializt Russia]

Keep in mind, the transperson is harming no one else by getting sex reassignment surgery. No one is harmed in the making of that vagina.

This is a marked difference between sex reassignment surgery and paedophiles abusing children.

Society is harmed. The person itself is harmed.

Yeah, nah.

[USS Monitor]

How often can you be arsed to fill out forms?

Or are you?

You know what you're right I'm going to be a dragon.

Dragons are cool, but you should be careful about that. They don't have the legal rights of a human being. It's not as fun as it sounds being something other than human.

[Imperializt Russia]

Obvious solution, send people to the specific prison to whatever gender they claim to be. So send men who say they are women to women's prisons and women who claim to be men to men's prisons. This won't be abused in any way at all. Or just desegregate prisons, I dunno. Or people could stop being whiny shits.

Course, I don't want to pay some quack doctor to carve up my genitals. I rather quite like them, after all and, regardless of my perspective, doing so would be utterly stupid, so I'll skip that part. But hey, it doesn't matter what parts I have so long as I believe hard enough that I'm a girl, right?

Given his...surgically-granted assets...they should probably keep him away from the others prisoners. They 'get along' fine with each other as is, no need to add someone with a backwards penis to the mix.

If you'd bothered to read the shitting OP, you'd probably take note of six years of gender reassignment surgeries which goes a smidgen further than "wanting really hard".

You'd also probably note that the penis has not yet been removed.

At least fucking read.

[Galloism]

You know what you're right I'm going to be a dragon.

Dragons are cool, but you should be careful about that. They don't have the legal rights of a human being. It's not as fun as it sounds being something other than human.

I lived for several years as Bill Clinton's "devil on his shoulder".

[Liriena]

So it seems you agree that I would be totally insane were I to think that I am the emperor. You also agree that my parents and my doctor would be really foolish if they would be deceived into thinking that I am the emperor.

Yup.

The same logic applies to this "transgenderism" that you advocate

Nope.

Seriously, just google this stuff. For your own sake.

[Liriena]

Keep in mind, the transperson is harming no one else by getting sex reassignment surgery. No one is harmed in the making of that vagina.

This is a marked difference between sex reassignment surgery and paedophiles abusing children.

Society is harmed. The person itself is harmed.

How is society harmed?

As for the person, professionals say... nope.

Although not all trans people see improvement in their mental health following transition, the vast majority do. Which is why transitioning is one of the recommended courses of treatment, as far as actual professionals are concerned.

[Mons Carmelus]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

The person itself is harmed because of the mutilation. And yes, that does matter. It does matter when people with the Munchausen syndrome hurt themselves. Similarly, it does also matter when people who think they are "transgender" mutilate themselves or have themselves mutilated. That's our social (I would say: Christian) duty towards neighbour.

[New Frenco Empire]

If she's been receiving treatments and doctors can attest for her gender identity, there's really no reason why she shouldn't be sent to a women's prison.

That was easy.

[Ostroeuropa]

Suppose you were to be kidnapped in the dead of night and had radical brain transplant surgery forced on you to turn you into the other sex, both chromosomally and physically.

Which is impossible, as far as I'm aware.

You'd still identify as the sex you currently are, right?

Yes, because I was born as a male.

I bet you'd feel pretty uncomfortable and such. That's sort of how it is for transpeople. Although this doesn't cover all transpeople, you should know that the brain development in the womb might be effected. I.E, they have a womans brain in a mans body and such. Scans of transpeople often show they have brains more similar to their identified gender than their physical one, and the human reproductive process is really flawed and full of errors. The brain develops separately from the genitalia and such. MOST of the time they match up. Sometimes not.

If everyone who feels "uncomfortable" for one reason or another would undergo surgeries and deceive the rest of the world into thinking that they are something which they in reality are not, all the money in the world would be spent on hospitals and we wouldn't have the money to buy bread. So you would say that because of a malformation of his brain we have to act as if that man is a woman, and he should be allowed to mutilate his body? You agree that a paedophile has a malformed or malfunctioning brain? Should we then allow paedophiles to act upon their desires? People think all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean that they should act upon it and the same applies to this so-called "trans-genderism".

It's the body that's wrong, not the brain. Understand this isn't some political point here. The science backs out position. You're no better than a creationist when you pull this shit.

[Vassenor]

That's our social (I would say: Christian) duty towards neighbour.

Oh hey, someone else bastardising the word of God as an excuse to discriminate against people.

[USS Monitor]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

So let's ban Halloween, RPGs, plays, movies, and historical reenactments.

[Talvezout]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

Being true to oneself is fraud now apparently

The person itself is harmed because of the mutilation. And yes, that does matter. It does matter when people with the Munchausen syndrome hurt themselves. Similarly, it does also matter when people who think they are "transgender" mutilate themselves or have themselves mutilated. That's our social (I would say: Christian) duty towards neighbour.

Surgery is mutilation now?

Hormone therapy is mutilation now?

Going by your logic of that we need to stop "mutilation", which, is apparently surgery, then I need to prevent my grandfather from getting heart surgery.

Because it's "mutilation".

[Talvezout]

If she's been receiving treatments and doctors can attest for her gender identity, there's really no reason why she shouldn't be sent to a women's prison.

That was easy.

Who do you think you are, bring logic here...

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[Wisconsin9]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

The person itself is harmed because of the mutilation. And yes, that does matter. It does matter when people with the Munchausen syndrome hurt themselves. Similarly, it does also matter when people who think they are "transgender" mutilate themselves or have themselves mutilated. That's our social (I would say: Christian) duty towards neighbour.

Not sure why it's any of your business.

[Vassenor]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

The person itself is harmed because of the mutilation. And yes, that does matter. It does matter when people with the Munchausen syndrome hurt themselves. Similarly, it does also matter when people who think they are "transgender" mutilate themselves or have themselves mutilated. That's our social (I would say: Christian) duty towards neighbour.

Not sure why it's any of your business.

You have to remember this is the same logic that states that if I were post-op and had sex with someone, I would be guilty of rape if I didn't specifically mention my previously having had a phallus.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Shittering dumbfuckery of the highest administrative order. This is not okay.

[USS Monitor]

Not sure why it's any of your business.

You have to remember this is the same logic that states that if I were post-op and had sex with someone, I would be guilty of rape if I didn't specifically mention my previously having had a phallus.

Cos apparently it's your fault they didn't bother to ask?

[Val Halla]

Do I even have to say this is bullshit? I do? It's bullshit

[Ifreann]

Society is harmed because people are deceived. It's a fraud to pretend to be someone/something else.

So let's ban Halloween, RPGs, plays, movies, and historical reenactments.

And using fake names on the internet. I bet it doesn't say "Mons Carmelus" on their passport.