Your right. "Transgenderism" isn't a gender. Being a woman is though, as I can very well say from experience.
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by Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:23 pm
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by Wisconsin9 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:27 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:A lot of prison inmate dont care too much on gender, that being said a woman would probably be a red letter target regardless.
I'm not convinced.
I think that while it's possible some nefarious types might try, you're also going to see the general male protectiveness kick in and prisoners don't like sex criminals.
I think prisons could be desegregated and it would probably reduce incidents of prison rape, because it would mean that status and courting begin to take influence on the population. I think it might well act as a civilizing influence in general. The opinion the opposite sex has of you could regulate behaviors.
That, and the guards are likely to keep an eye out in this specific case.
All that said, it's possible that this transwoman won't be treated like a woman in mens jail would be, and the protective tendencies won't manifest due to transphobia.
by Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:29 pm
by Nocturnalis » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:30 pm
by Mairland » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:32 pm
Liriena wrote:Mairland wrote:Whatever.
Born a male ---> have passport that says you are male ---> registered as a man ---> you go to a male prison.
---> become the target of disproportionate amounts of violence, because no amount of shoddy biological essentialism can change the fact that you are, both internally and externally, a woman in an all-male prison.
Congrats. You may well end up having a woman's blood on your hands, courtesy of your transphobia.
by Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:36 pm
Nocturnalis wrote:Is it? I honestly don't even know any more, the whole thing is getting that ridiculous.
Nocturnalis wrote:Liriena wrote:You really can't see the connection between disdainful rhetoric towards a specific group and violence against that same specific group? Do you think transgender people would face the same amount of violence if transphobic rhetoric was more frowned upon by society?
Active disdain, sure.
Passive disdain, no.
Nocturnalis wrote:I'm not exactly inspiring violence with my intense indifference.
Nocturnalis wrote:Newsflash, a good portion of people don't care. Are they suddenly responsible for murders they could not have realistically committed?
Nocturnalis wrote:And tell me, how many murders against trans people are committed explicitly because of their gender? Explicitly because of anti-trans rhetoric?
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by East Catalina » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:37 pm
Nocturnalis wrote:East Catalina wrote:Oh, it's not an attempt to persuade transphobes to switch sides.
It's a statement, which I made.
Eh, good for you. Still doesn't change the fact that trying to convince people through...less than stellar rhetoric like that doesn't really work out that well, usually.
by Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:40 pm
Mairland wrote:Liriena wrote:---> become the target of disproportionate amounts of violence, because no amount of shoddy biological essentialism can change the fact that you are, both internally and externally, a woman in an all-male prison.
Congrats. You may well end up having a woman's blood on your hands, courtesy of your transphobia.
I am not a transphobic.
It is called orderly government.
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by The Alexanderians » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:42 pm
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Nocturnalis » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:46 pm
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:50 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:A lot of prison inmate dont care too much on gender, that being said a woman would probably be a red letter target regardless.
I'm not convinced.
I think that while it's possible some nefarious types might try, you're also going to see the general male protectiveness kick in and prisoners don't like sex criminals.
I think prisons could be desegregated and it would probably reduce incidents of prison rape, because it would mean that status and courting begin to take influence on the population. I think it might well act as a civilizing influence in general. The opinion the opposite sex has of you could regulate behaviors.
That, and the guards are likely to keep an eye out in this specific case.
All that said, it's possible that this transwoman won't be treated like a woman in mens jail would be, and the protective tendencies won't manifest due to transphobia.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Harisistan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:53 pm
by Vassenor » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:54 pm
Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.
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by Liriena » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:56 pm
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by Wallenburg » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:57 pm
Harisistan wrote:well, he has a dick, so he's a dude.
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